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And like a typical anti democracy remoaner he decided the will of the people should be ignored the minute the democratic result was in total fecking hypocrite 😂😂😂😂😂😂

Despite it being voted in to law by the commons the spineless two faced remoaner MPs have totally abandoned any morals and decided to ignore the will of the British people.

It will be remembered and no election or referendum will ever be the same again in this country.

The one thing that will come is a massive surge in the popularity of UKIP or a similar party in the future who stand for the 52%.

Happy Days.

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The Countdown begins. on 12:55 - Jan 28 with 919 viewsJango

The Countdown begins. on 12:43 - Jan 28 by karnataka

I didn't suggest that a sugar tax would reduce obesity and never thought it would but any additional revenue accrued from such a tax would at least help to a degree to offset the huge cost of obesity to the nation as a whole.


when people start drinking water instead of coke and eating celery instead of snickers, how much will that affect the economy? Not against tackling obesity by the way but it won’t be a case of there being all that money extra because it will be lost elsewhere.
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The Countdown begins. on 13:00 - Jan 28 with 910 viewsLegend83

The Countdown begins. on 12:43 - Jan 28 by karnataka

I didn't suggest that a sugar tax would reduce obesity and never thought it would but any additional revenue accrued from such a tax would at least help to a degree to offset the huge cost of obesity to the nation as a whole.


"If regulation helps to reduce those figures even by a third, the whole country could benefit by up to £10 billion a year. What's not to like?"

The words in your post above?

The amounts received in additional tax revenue are a drop in the ocean (and about half what HMRC originally forecast - although this is actually good news as manufacturers have reduced sugar in their products to get below the threshold) - about 0.02% of the NHS budget.

Equally in fairness the revenues appear to being funneled to sports in schools which is obviously beneficial.

To me though it remains frankly a regressive tax. Poor eating, drinking and diet habits are typically more prevalent in the worst-off people in the country who will continue to buy gut-rot regardless of how much the Government taxes it by.

So a scheme that is not proven to actually solve the issue it is dealing with and continues to re-distribute wealth the wrong way!
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The Countdown begins. on 13:23 - Jan 28 with 886 viewslonglostjack

The Countdown begins. on 13:00 - Jan 28 by Legend83

"If regulation helps to reduce those figures even by a third, the whole country could benefit by up to £10 billion a year. What's not to like?"

The words in your post above?

The amounts received in additional tax revenue are a drop in the ocean (and about half what HMRC originally forecast - although this is actually good news as manufacturers have reduced sugar in their products to get below the threshold) - about 0.02% of the NHS budget.

Equally in fairness the revenues appear to being funneled to sports in schools which is obviously beneficial.

To me though it remains frankly a regressive tax. Poor eating, drinking and diet habits are typically more prevalent in the worst-off people in the country who will continue to buy gut-rot regardless of how much the Government taxes it by.

So a scheme that is not proven to actually solve the issue it is dealing with and continues to re-distribute wealth the wrong way!


Cookery/ Nutrition classes in school should be compulsory alongside English and Maths.

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The Countdown begins. on 13:46 - Jan 28 with 863 viewsHighjack

The Countdown begins. on 13:23 - Jan 28 by longlostjack

Cookery/ Nutrition classes in school should be compulsory alongside English and Maths.


There used to be a poster on here who had a phd in nutrition.

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The Countdown begins. on 15:14 - Jan 28 with 839 viewsBytholWyn

The Countdown begins. on 13:00 - Jan 28 by Legend83

"If regulation helps to reduce those figures even by a third, the whole country could benefit by up to £10 billion a year. What's not to like?"

The words in your post above?

The amounts received in additional tax revenue are a drop in the ocean (and about half what HMRC originally forecast - although this is actually good news as manufacturers have reduced sugar in their products to get below the threshold) - about 0.02% of the NHS budget.

Equally in fairness the revenues appear to being funneled to sports in schools which is obviously beneficial.

To me though it remains frankly a regressive tax. Poor eating, drinking and diet habits are typically more prevalent in the worst-off people in the country who will continue to buy gut-rot regardless of how much the Government taxes it by.

So a scheme that is not proven to actually solve the issue it is dealing with and continues to re-distribute wealth the wrong way!


You make some good points and its certainly not a given that a sugar tax is a good idea, not least because as you point out it hits the poorest hardest. But that report you quoted comes from the IEA - a right-wing think tank, which would oppose any tax regardless of merit, so it's hardly impartial.

What should be clear is that the levels of obesity and Type 2 diabetes merits strong action. Regulation rather than taxation may be a better route - but taxation may have a place in the mix of measures needed, and shouldn't be avoided simply for right-wing ideological reasons.
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The Countdown begins. on 15:28 - Jan 28 with 829 viewsBytholWyn

Dog whistles - racism for cowards, like the poster during the Euro campaign which was nakedly manipulative of racist sentiment: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-46922909/dog-whistles-the-secret-langu
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The Countdown begins. on 15:32 - Jan 28 with 827 viewsLegend83

The Countdown begins. on 15:14 - Jan 28 by BytholWyn

You make some good points and its certainly not a given that a sugar tax is a good idea, not least because as you point out it hits the poorest hardest. But that report you quoted comes from the IEA - a right-wing think tank, which would oppose any tax regardless of merit, so it's hardly impartial.

What should be clear is that the levels of obesity and Type 2 diabetes merits strong action. Regulation rather than taxation may be a better route - but taxation may have a place in the mix of measures needed, and shouldn't be avoided simply for right-wing ideological reasons.


I agree on the IEA.

For balance, there is some similar evidence in this study by the IFS linked to in the Guardian suggesting those who already buy lots of sugary drinks will continue to do so.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/apr/08/sugar-drinks-tax-only-partly-eff

Good that there has been a big reduction in sugary drink consumption by "young people".

And I take the point that taxation can play a part as a series of measures to tackle a social issue like this but in isolation I believe is just a quick fix sticking plaster that inadvertently and unfairly targets the poorest. It's a high-profile "win" for the politicians who propose it...
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The Countdown begins. on 18:23 - Jan 28 with 785 viewsBatterseajack

So will any of our WTO year zeroists regulars on here bother reading the letter written by our food retailer bosses? Or will they just dismiss these warnings out of hand because Nadine Dories said It will all be fine.

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The Countdown begins. on 19:07 - Jan 28 with 764 viewsJango

The Countdown begins. on 18:23 - Jan 28 by Batterseajack

So will any of our WTO year zeroists regulars on here bother reading the letter written by our food retailer bosses? Or will they just dismiss these warnings out of hand because Nadine Dories said It will all be fine.



So you’ll take the word of a few supermarket CEO’s on what will happen at Calais but you won’t take the word of the chief of Calais port and The Mayor of Calais because you don’t like what they have to say.
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The Countdown begins. on 19:36 - Jan 28 with 751 viewsHighjack

Why the hell would France stop and check goods that are leaving the country?

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The Countdown begins. on 21:36 - Jan 28 with 712 viewsBatterseajack

The Countdown begins. on 19:36 - Jan 28 by Highjack

Why the hell would France stop and check goods that are leaving the country?


They wouldn’t, we would be checking paperwork on each lorry coming in (not the same as an inspection). In turn, we France (or any EU countries bordering us) would check the paperwork (not the same as an inspection) of each truck entering their country. Paperwork check for a truck containing a single consignment could be quite quick, but trucks containing multiple consignments a bit longer. We could speed this up with some fancy new bar code system, but that system doesn’t exist. Britain could let all the trucks roll in, “tariff free”, but we would then have do that for every single other country under WTO. This is what’s life’s like as a 3rd country.
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The Countdown begins. on 21:48 - Jan 28 with 703 viewsJango

The Countdown begins. on 21:36 - Jan 28 by Batterseajack

They wouldn’t, we would be checking paperwork on each lorry coming in (not the same as an inspection). In turn, we France (or any EU countries bordering us) would check the paperwork (not the same as an inspection) of each truck entering their country. Paperwork check for a truck containing a single consignment could be quite quick, but trucks containing multiple consignments a bit longer. We could speed this up with some fancy new bar code system, but that system doesn’t exist. Britain could let all the trucks roll in, “tariff free”, but we would then have do that for every single other country under WTO. This is what’s life’s like as a 3rd country.


That totally contradicts the letter you’ve just posted but there you go.
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The Countdown begins. on 21:57 - Jan 28 with 691 viewsBatterseajack

The Countdown begins. on 21:48 - Jan 28 by Jango

That totally contradicts the letter you’ve just posted but there you go.


Does it?

Are the French government and the chief of Calais the same people? Can the chief of Calais overrule the will of the French government?
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The Countdown begins. (n/t) on 22:33 - Jan 28 with 663 viewsHighjack

The Countdown begins. on 21:36 - Jan 28 by Batterseajack

They wouldn’t, we would be checking paperwork on each lorry coming in (not the same as an inspection). In turn, we France (or any EU countries bordering us) would check the paperwork (not the same as an inspection) of each truck entering their country. Paperwork check for a truck containing a single consignment could be quite quick, but trucks containing multiple consignments a bit longer. We could speed this up with some fancy new bar code system, but that system doesn’t exist. Britain could let all the trucks roll in, “tariff free”, but we would then have do that for every single other country under WTO. This is what’s life’s like as a 3rd country.


So if we let for example oranges from Spain in tariff free then as you say lots of other oranges will roll in tariff free from around the world under wto rules. So we’ll have a surplus of oranges making the orange department at Sainsbury’s supe full with lots of choice at low low prices?
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The Countdown begins. on 22:36 - Jan 28 with 656 viewsJango

The Countdown begins. on 21:57 - Jan 28 by Batterseajack

Does it?

Are the French government and the chief of Calais the same people? Can the chief of Calais overrule the will of the French government?
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So are you now saying that France will stop and check goods leaving their country?
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The Countdown begins. on 22:40 - Jan 28 with 649 viewsHighjack

The Countdown begins. on 21:57 - Jan 28 by Batterseajack

Does it?

Are the French government and the chief of Calais the same people? Can the chief of Calais overrule the will of the French government?
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At the moment a mob in yellow vests are bringing the French government almost to its knees.

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The Countdown begins. on 22:51 - Jan 28 with 636 viewsJACKMANANDBOY

The Countdown begins. on 22:40 - Jan 28 by Highjack

At the moment a mob in yellow vests are bringing the French government almost to its knees.


I saw a nice report where Macron was saying that the UK was in a mess, the next question was do you know that there were people in yellow vests rioting in many French cities last weekend.


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The Countdown begins. (n/t) on 22:55 - Jan 28 with 633 viewsthe_oracle

The Countdown begins. (n/t) on 22:33 - Jan 28 by Highjack

So if we let for example oranges from Spain in tariff free then as you say lots of other oranges will roll in tariff free from around the world under wto rules. So we’ll have a surplus of oranges making the orange department at Sainsbury’s supe full with lots of choice at low low prices?
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Yep and lots of cheap meat from the US and New Zealand etc. etc. Meat cheaper than that produced in the UK. But putting UK farmers out of business will be worth while as long as we leave and keep out a few Poles, eh?
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The Countdown begins. (n/t) on 23:13 - Jan 28 with 627 viewsHighjack

The Countdown begins. (n/t) on 22:55 - Jan 28 by the_oracle

Yep and lots of cheap meat from the US and New Zealand etc. etc. Meat cheaper than that produced in the UK. But putting UK farmers out of business will be worth while as long as we leave and keep out a few Poles, eh?


It rather goes against the argument of Sainsbury’s and Asda’s shelves are gonna be empty though doesn’t it?
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The Countdown begins. on 01:39 - Jan 29 with 593 viewsLord_Bony

France would also leave the European Union given the chance according to Macron.



“France would likely have followed the U.K. and also voted to leave the European Union if the opportunity had presented itself, French President Emmanuel Macron said in an interview Sunday.

Macron said that, if the French people had been put in a similar situation and were asked to vote “yes or no” on EU membership, then they would probably have chosen to leave the bloc.

“Middle classes and working classes and especially the oldest in your country decided that the recent decades were not in their favor and that the adjustments made by both the EU and globalization… wasn’t in their favor,” Macron told the BBC about the Brexit vote.

When asked if France could take the same decision as the British people, Macron said: “Yeah, probably. Probably in a similar context, but our context was very different.”

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The Countdown begins. (n/t) on 06:19 - Jan 29 with 534 viewsBatterseajack

The Countdown begins. (n/t) on 23:13 - Jan 28 by Highjack

It rather goes against the argument of Sainsbury’s and Asda’s shelves are gonna be empty though doesn’t it?
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Not really, perishable goods being stuck on lorry tail backs isn’t good
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The Countdown begins. on 06:34 - Jan 29 with 529 viewsBatterseajack

The Countdown begins. on 22:36 - Jan 28 by Jango

So are you now saying that France will stop and check goods leaving their country?


The super markets are saying it in the letter. But what do they know about supplier networks,trade and logistics.

There’s the whole VAT thing to sort out as well. If we buy something from the EU, what system is in place to allow ours and their officials know if it’s been paid correctly.
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The Countdown begins. on 08:50 - Jan 29 with 504 viewspikeypaul



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The Countdown begins. on 09:01 - Jan 29 with 494 viewsWarwickHunt

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The Countdown begins. on 09:06 - Jan 29 with 490 viewsJango

The Countdown begins. on 06:34 - Jan 29 by Batterseajack

The super markets are saying it in the letter. But what do they know about supplier networks,trade and logistics.

There’s the whole VAT thing to sort out as well. If we buy something from the EU, what system is in place to allow ours and their officials know if it’s been paid correctly.


Do they know more than the actual logistics experts? Of course not but you don’t want to hear what they’ve got to say.

I’ve read the letter and can understand their concerns about delays but Calais Dover and Eurotunnel are saying there won’t be delays, why are you taking the word of a supermarket CEO over these organisations?

Eurotunnel insists it facilities could cope with the UK leaving the European Union in disarray, saying: “We have adapted our infrastructure so that, with or without a deal, traffic flow through the tunnel will be maintained.”


THE Port of Dover has vowed it is “prepared” for a No-Deal Brexit if Theresa May fails to get an agreement with the EU approved by Parliament. Kasper Moos, managing director of DFDS in Dover, said they are "intensifying work to ensure that customers are preparing for new border processes in order to protect their businesses and keep people and goods flowing through this vital trade route”

Port of Calais chief furiously dismantles Project Fear – 'NO DELAYS'. THE CHIEF of Calais port has passionately quashed fears that a no-deal Brexit would slow traffic at the pivotal crossing point between the UK and France, insisting “there will be no delay".

This is all inconvenient truths for you though by the looks of it.

Out of curiosity, has that letter from the supermarkets even been verified? It doesn’t take a lot to send twitter into meltdown and my 5 year old could whip that together in half an hour.
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