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And like a typical anti democracy remoaner he decided the will of the people should be ignored the minute the democratic result was in total fecking hypocrite 😂😂😂😂😂😂

Despite it being voted in to law by the commons the spineless two faced remoaner MPs have totally abandoned any morals and decided to ignore the will of the British people.

It will be remembered and no election or referendum will ever be the same again in this country.

The one thing that will come is a massive surge in the popularity of UKIP or a similar party in the future who stand for the 52%.

Happy Days.

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The Countdown begins. on 13:45 - Feb 6 with 748 viewsEbo

This satirical post from the Daily mash sums up the hard of thinking who post on this site

https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/we-got-through-the-war-and-well-get-

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The Countdown begins. on 14:53 - Feb 6 with 699 viewsJango

The Countdown begins. on 13:34 - Feb 6 by Batterseajack

But he's right though. Does anyone have a plan for leaving?


There’s always been a plan. Try to negotiate a deal and if we can’t we leave without one. The problem is the EU have never believed that we would leave without one and now are getting all upset that the prospect is real. People on leave side have been called all sorts of thick for suggesting the EU need a good deal just as much as we do, now it’s looking like it wasn’t such a stupid argument after all.

And do you think someone in his position should be saying on national tv that people who disagree with him are going to hell?
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The Countdown begins. on 14:59 - Feb 6 with 696 viewsJango

The Countdown begins. on 13:39 - Feb 6 by JackSomething

He's got a point though, even you have to admit it.

To promote something as pivotal as Brexit without any plan on how to deliver it successfully is reprehensible. I fail to see how even the most ardent Brexiteer could claim otherwise.

Just because Tusk does tend to come across as a pr*ck doesn't make him wrong.


The fault for that lies with those negotiating on both sides. The EU have never actually believed we are going to leave and Theresa may and her team were remain voters who are pretty useless at everything they do.

We voted to leave and between both sides they’ve had long enough to come up with a withdrawal agreement acceptable for both parties.
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The Countdown begins. on 15:18 - Feb 6 with 691 viewsBatterseajack

The Countdown begins. on 14:53 - Feb 6 by Jango

There’s always been a plan. Try to negotiate a deal and if we can’t we leave without one. The problem is the EU have never believed that we would leave without one and now are getting all upset that the prospect is real. People on leave side have been called all sorts of thick for suggesting the EU need a good deal just as much as we do, now it’s looking like it wasn’t such a stupid argument after all.

And do you think someone in his position should be saying on national tv that people who disagree with him are going to hell?


What do you mean "the EU have never believed we will leave" ? That's just vacuous nonsense. They negotiated a plan that deals with an Irish border that honors the good Friday agreement and Theresa Mays red lines. But that wasn't good enough, yet no one has come up with a viable solution.

The only people i can see with a plan are those that want us to crash out on no deal, so that a load of wealthy people can make money on the back of our downfall.

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The Countdown begins. on 15:19 - Feb 6 with 689 viewsBatterseajack

The Countdown begins. on 14:59 - Feb 6 by Jango

The fault for that lies with those negotiating on both sides. The EU have never actually believed we are going to leave and Theresa may and her team were remain voters who are pretty useless at everything they do.

We voted to leave and between both sides they’ve had long enough to come up with a withdrawal agreement acceptable for both parties.


What is an acceptable withdrawal agreement to you then if Mays isn't good enough?
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The Countdown begins. on 15:36 - Feb 6 with 674 viewsKilkennyjack

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/european-council-president-donald-tusk-say

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The Countdown begins. on 15:43 - Feb 6 with 667 viewsJango

The Countdown begins. on 15:18 - Feb 6 by Batterseajack

What do you mean "the EU have never believed we will leave" ? That's just vacuous nonsense. They negotiated a plan that deals with an Irish border that honors the good Friday agreement and Theresa Mays red lines. But that wasn't good enough, yet no one has come up with a viable solution.

The only people i can see with a plan are those that want us to crash out on no deal, so that a load of wealthy people can make money on the back of our downfall.



Tusk, verhofstadt, Barnier and Juncker have all been very vocal about their hopes that Brexit is overturned or a second vote is called. They’ve met with pretty much any ardent remainer possible like Blair, Clegg, chukka etc. They’ve had not intention of giving us a deal that would get through parliament because they’ve strongly believed Brexit would fail. If you take your blinkers off you’d see it for what it is.
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The Countdown begins. on 15:46 - Feb 6 with 665 viewsJango

The Countdown begins. on 15:19 - Feb 6 by Batterseajack

What is an acceptable withdrawal agreement to you then if Mays isn't good enough?
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One where we haven’t already got the leaders of Spain and France saying they want our fishing rights and Gibraltar before they sign off on us leaving the backstop. This whole remain argument that it delivers Brexit because we leave the EU is rather childish.
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The Countdown begins. on 15:59 - Feb 6 with 655 viewsJACKMANANDBOY

The Countdown begins. on 15:36 - Feb 6 by Kilkennyjack

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/european-council-president-donald-tusk-say

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I suggest we don't vote for Tusk......oh hang on.

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The Countdown begins. on 16:01 - Feb 6 with 655 viewspikeypaul

The Countdown begins. on 15:46 - Feb 6 by Jango

One where we haven’t already got the leaders of Spain and France saying they want our fishing rights and Gibraltar before they sign off on us leaving the backstop. This whole remain argument that it delivers Brexit because we leave the EU is rather childish.


You are wasting your time jango, the pathetic anti democratic remoaners will never get over being losers and are more than happy to be walked over by the EU.

Imagine if these cowardly feckers were about between 1939 and 1945 ? We would all be speaking German.

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The Countdown begins. on 16:37 - Feb 6 with 637 viewsJackSomething

The Countdown begins. on 16:01 - Feb 6 by pikeypaul

You are wasting your time jango, the pathetic anti democratic remoaners will never get over being losers and are more than happy to be walked over by the EU.

Imagine if these cowardly feckers were about between 1939 and 1945 ? We would all be speaking German.

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Thank you for being the Planet Swans example of the link Ebo posted above, you dullard:

https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/we-got-through-the-war-and-well-get-

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The Countdown begins. on 16:43 - Feb 6 with 633 viewslonglostjack

The Countdown begins. on 16:01 - Feb 6 by pikeypaul

You are wasting your time jango, the pathetic anti democratic remoaners will never get over being losers and are more than happy to be walked over by the EU.

Imagine if these cowardly feckers were about between 1939 and 1945 ? We would all be speaking German.

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So ein Quatsch!

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The Countdown begins. on 16:46 - Feb 6 with 629 viewsBatterseajack

The Countdown begins. on 15:43 - Feb 6 by Jango

Tusk, verhofstadt, Barnier and Juncker have all been very vocal about their hopes that Brexit is overturned or a second vote is called. They’ve met with pretty much any ardent remainer possible like Blair, Clegg, chukka etc. They’ve had not intention of giving us a deal that would get through parliament because they’ve strongly believed Brexit would fail. If you take your blinkers off you’d see it for what it is.


Back in the real world, Theresa May went to them to propose the deal and they accepted.

No one else has come up with a better solution for the Irish Border.
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The Countdown begins. on 16:54 - Feb 6 with 627 viewsBatterseajack

The Countdown begins. on 16:01 - Feb 6 by pikeypaul

You are wasting your time jango, the pathetic anti democratic remoaners will never get over being losers and are more than happy to be walked over by the EU.

Imagine if these cowardly feckers were about between 1939 and 1945 ? We would all be speaking German.

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We're not at war Pikey Paul and you had nothing to do with World War 2.
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The Countdown begins. on 16:56 - Feb 6 with 622 viewsBatterseajack

The Countdown begins. on 16:43 - Feb 6 by longlostjack

So ein Quatsch!


Er ist so dumm wie ein Hackfleisch
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The Countdown begins. on 17:02 - Feb 6 with 614 viewsunion_jack

The Countdown begins. on 13:39 - Feb 6 by JackSomething

He's got a point though, even you have to admit it.

To promote something as pivotal as Brexit without any plan on how to deliver it successfully is reprehensible. I fail to see how even the most ardent Brexiteer could claim otherwise.

Just because Tusk does tend to come across as a pr*ck doesn't make him wrong.


Hear, hear Donald Tusk.

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The Countdown begins. on 17:20 - Feb 6 with 589 viewsJango

The Countdown begins. on 16:46 - Feb 6 by Batterseajack

Back in the real world, Theresa May went to them to propose the deal and they accepted.

No one else has come up with a better solution for the Irish Border.


In the real world that’s not what happened. The EU were very much involved in negotiating that deal for the past 2 years. Theyve said they will not budge in negotiations, something remainers are desperate they stick to. We’ll see.
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The Countdown begins. on 17:20 - Feb 6 with 588 viewslonglostjack

The Countdown begins. on 16:56 - Feb 6 by Batterseajack

Er ist so dumm wie ein Hackfleisch


David Davis auch !
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The Countdown begins. on 17:20 - Feb 6 with 588 viewsShaky

The Countdown begins. on 13:39 - Feb 6 by JackSomething

He's got a point though, even you have to admit it.

To promote something as pivotal as Brexit without any plan on how to deliver it successfully is reprehensible. I fail to see how even the most ardent Brexiteer could claim otherwise.

Just because Tusk does tend to come across as a pr*ck doesn't make him wrong.


Interesting background:
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Brexiters never had a real exit plan. No wonder they avoided the issue
The harsh truth about leaving the EU was obvious five years ago. But the right covered it up
By Nick Cohen

Guardian, Sat 26 Jan 2019 18.30 GMT

The secret history of modern Britain is made in obscure corners between men and women taken seriously by no one but themselves. A good time to begin it would be in the winter of 2013/14 when the Institute of Economic Affairs, a rightist outfit that won’t reveal where its money comes from, offered a €100,000 prize to whoever could devise a means of leaving the European Union.

The reason why politicians are now stumbling towards disaster like prisoners marching to the scaffold ought to have been clear from that moment. Obviously, Britain can leave the EU, but only if it is willing to pay an extortionate price. Yet first the institute’s judges, led by Nigel Lawson and Gisela Stuart, then the Leave campaigns of Boris Johnson, Nigel Farage and Dominic Cummings and, finally, Theresa May and Jeremy Corbyn, who even now cannot speak plainly, have refused to acknowledge the harsh truth.

As if to anticipate their failings, the winning entry came from a minor functionary in the British embassy in Manila by the name of Iain Mansfield. He brushed away the difficulties of leaving the EU and offered us our first helping of unicorn cake. Britain, he declared, could enjoy the free movement of capital and goods in the single market, he announced, but stop the free movement of labour.

His triumph marked an ominous moment. Until 2013, even rightwing politicians accepted that they could not have the best of all possible worlds. Britain was tied into an integrated European economy. No government could wrench it away in a couple of years. Britain would have to stay in the customs union, as Liam Fox said in 2012. The most significant thinker in the Brexit movement went further. Richard North, the advocate of “Flexcit”, warned that, as a sudden departure would wreck people’s lives, Britain would have to be like Norway and stay in the single market, “at least in the medium term”, as it dedicated many years, maybe more than a decade, to flexible negotiations about a future arrangement.

Rationally, a flexible approach made sense. But by the winter of 2013 the market for rational politics was faltering. North described how Lawson and his fellow judges excluded from the shortlist entries that said the only way to leave the EU was to follow the Norwegian example. Until that point, he had had regular meetings with Arron Banks, Owen Patterson and Cummings. “But something then happened – I don’t know what. Cummings went dark on me and I was ‘no platformed’.”

Electorally, allowing millions to believe that the impossible was possible was perfect post-rational politics

You don’t need to be a detective to work out why the darkness fell. How could the Brexit campaign inspire nationalist passions, how could Fox, Lawson, Johnson, Farage and Banks inspire even themselves, if they were to say that the only rational way to leave the EU was to carry on paying money, accepting freedom of movement and receiving laws that Britain had no say in making, while an orderly retreat was organised? Who would vote for that? What would be the point of leaving at all?

Better to take the road to Narnia and promise everything while committing to nothing. After the prize was awarded to a political fantasy, Cummings gave fair warning of what was coming next. Writing in 2015, he admitted that the campaign would offer no exit plan: hard Brexit, soft Brexit or any Brexit in between. “There is much to be gained from swerving the whole issue,” he explained. Opponents of the EU “have been divided for years”. In any case, “the sheer complexity of leaving would involve endless questions of detail that cannot be answered”.

An honourable man, and an honourable political movement, would have found these excellent reasons to think again. Not Cummings and not the Brexit movement. Intellectually, their Brexit was an empty idea. But electorally, allowing millions to believe that the impossible was possible was perfect post-rational politics. As Roland Smith of the Adam Smith Institute, another rightwing thinktank, said last week, the “dirty secret” of the Leave campaign was that it “didn’t have a well-formed idea of how to leave the EU or indeed whether any alternative was really palatable”.

It is easy to portray Cummings, Johnson and Farage as grand villains. Indeed, if we crash out with no deal, we will be hard pressed to find so much misery brought to so many by so few. But the Cameron government, every MP who voted for the referendum, the supposedly ferocious interviewers at the BBC and hard-nosed journalists in the press let them get away with it. None insisted that the voters be told what form of Brexit they were voting for.

As a point of contrast, consider that in 2018 Ireland discussed removing its constitutional ban on abortion. There was an exhaustive debate at a citizens’ assembly on the proposed measures and the government published a policy paper outlining in what circumstances abortion would be legal if the reform were approved in a referendum, so that no one could argue about the result. As a matter of deliberate policy by Brexit’s supporters, and as a consequence of unforgivable negligence by politicians and journalists, Britain’s referendum offered no such clarity.

I hope you can now see the consequences of obscure arguments in political backwaters. Supporters of a “people’s vote” are met with the superficially plausible objection: “But we’ve already had a referendum.” Supporters of May’s deal and the “Norway option” face the objection that the Leave campaign never told them that we would have to accept EU rules once we left. Finally, for the supporters of a hard Brexit and the millions who risk their futures by believing them, crashing out and crying “to hell with it” are the logical consequences of the illogical retreat from reason they began in 2013.

For good or ill, you can guarantee that the arguments that affect us most are the ones that never make it on to evening news. In the case of Brexit Britain, it’s all ill.

Brexiters never had a real exit plan. No wonder they avoided the issue
The harsh truth about leaving the EU was obvious five years ago. But the right covered it up
By Nick Cohen

Guardian, Sat 26 Jan 2019 18.30 GMT

The secret history of modern Britain is made in obscure corners between men and women taken seriously by no one but themselves. A good time to begin it would be in the winter of 2013/14 when the Institute of Economic Affairs, a rightist outfit that won’t reveal where its money comes from, offered a €100,000 prize to whoever could devise a means of leaving the European Union.

The reason why politicians are now stumbling towards disaster like prisoners marching to the scaffold ought to have been clear from that moment. Obviously, Britain can leave the EU, but only if it is willing to pay an extortionate price. Yet first the institute’s judges, led by Nigel Lawson and Gisela Stuart, then the Leave campaigns of Boris Johnson, Nigel Farage and Dominic Cummings and, finally, Theresa May and Jeremy Corbyn, who even now cannot speak plainly, have refused to acknowledge the harsh truth.

As if to anticipate their failings, the winning entry came from a minor functionary in the British embassy in Manila by the name of Iain Mansfield. He brushed away the difficulties of leaving the EU and offered us our first helping of unicorn cake. Britain, he declared, could enjoy the free movement of capital and goods in the single market, he announced, but stop the free movement of labour.

His triumph marked an ominous moment. Until 2013, even rightwing politicians accepted that they could not have the best of all possible worlds. Britain was tied into an integrated European economy. No government could wrench it away in a couple of years. Britain would have to stay in the customs union, as Liam Fox said in 2012. The most significant thinker in the Brexit movement went further. Richard North, the advocate of “Flexcit”, warned that, as a sudden departure would wreck people’s lives, Britain would have to be like Norway and stay in the single market, “at least in the medium term”, as it dedicated many years, maybe more than a decade, to flexible negotiations about a future arrangement.

Rationally, a flexible approach made sense. But by the winter of 2013 the market for rational politics was faltering. North described how Lawson and his fellow judges excluded from the shortlist entries that said the only way to leave the EU was to follow the Norwegian example. Until that point, he had had regular meetings with Arron Banks, Owen Patterson and Cummings. “But something then happened – I don’t know what. Cummings went dark on me and I was ‘no platformed’.”

Electorally, allowing millions to believe that the impossible was possible was perfect post-rational politics

You don’t need to be a detective to work out why the darkness fell. How could the Brexit campaign inspire nationalist passions, how could Fox, Lawson, Johnson, Farage and Banks inspire even themselves, if they were to say that the only rational way to leave the EU was to carry on paying money, accepting freedom of movement and receiving laws that Britain had no say in making, while an orderly retreat was organised? Who would vote for that? What would be the point of leaving at all?

Better to take the road to Narnia and promise everything while committing to nothing. After the prize was awarded to a political fantasy, Cummings gave fair warning of what was coming next. Writing in 2015, he admitted that the campaign would offer no exit plan: hard Brexit, soft Brexit or any Brexit in between. “There is much to be gained from swerving the whole issue,” he explained. Opponents of the EU “have been divided for years”. In any case, “the sheer complexity of leaving would involve endless questions of detail that cannot be answered”.

An honourable man, and an honourable political movement, would have found these excellent reasons to think again. Not Cummings and not the Brexit movement. Intellectually, their Brexit was an empty idea. But electorally, allowing millions to believe that the impossible was possible was perfect post-rational politics. As Roland Smith of the Adam Smith Institute, another rightwing thinktank, said last week, the “dirty secret” of the Leave campaign was that it “didn’t have a well-formed idea of how to leave the EU or indeed whether any alternative was really palatable”.

It is easy to portray Cummings, Johnson and Farage as grand villains. Indeed, if we crash out with no deal, we will be hard pressed to find so much misery brought to so many by so few. But the Cameron government, every MP who voted for the referendum, the supposedly ferocious interviewers at the BBC and hard-nosed journalists in the press let them get away with it. None insisted that the voters be told what form of Brexit they were voting for.

As a point of contrast, consider that in 2018 Ireland discussed removing its constitutional ban on abortion. There was an exhaustive debate at a citizens’ assembly on the proposed measures and the government published a policy paper outlining in what circumstances abortion would be legal if the reform were approved in a referendum, so that no one could argue about the result. As a matter of deliberate policy by Brexit’s supporters, and as a consequence of unforgivable negligence by politicians and journalists, Britain’s referendum offered no such clarity.

I hope you can now see the consequences of obscure arguments in political backwaters. Supporters of a “people’s vote” are met with the superficially plausible objection: “But we’ve already had a referendum.” Supporters of May’s deal and the “Norway option” face the objection that the Leave campaign never told them that we would have to accept EU rules once we left. Finally, for the supporters of a hard Brexit and the millions who risk their futures by believing them, crashing out and crying “to hell with it” are the logical consequences of the illogical retreat from reason they began in 2013.

For good or ill, you can guarantee that the arguments that affect us most are the ones that never make it on to evening news. In the case of Brexit Britain, it’s all ill.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jan/26/brexiters-never-had-a-real

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The Countdown begins. on 17:57 - Feb 6 with 557 viewsLeonWasGod

The Countdown begins. on 14:53 - Feb 6 by Jango

There’s always been a plan. Try to negotiate a deal and if we can’t we leave without one. The problem is the EU have never believed that we would leave without one and now are getting all upset that the prospect is real. People on leave side have been called all sorts of thick for suggesting the EU need a good deal just as much as we do, now it’s looking like it wasn’t such a stupid argument after all.

And do you think someone in his position should be saying on national tv that people who disagree with him are going to hell?


There isn’t a single part of that which is true, from there always having been a plan (there wasn’t) to Tusk saying people who disagree with him are going to hell (he didn’t).
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The Countdown begins. on 18:10 - Feb 6 with 549 viewsHighjack

Just popping in to point out Hell is a fictional place that doesn’t exist. Popping off again now. K thanks bye.

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The Countdown begins. on 18:42 - Feb 6 with 535 viewsPegojack

The Countdown begins. on 18:10 - Feb 6 by Highjack

Just popping in to point out Hell is a fictional place that doesn’t exist. Popping off again now. K thanks bye.


All religion, yes ALL religion, is complete b*llocks, just fairy tales for the hard of thinking.
However, if hell DOES exist, I'm fairly sure Lucifer is putting another bag if nutty slack on the fire at this very moment, and putting pokers in which have been specially measured to fit the anuses of Boris, Rees Mogg and Farage. Oh yes, and he's got a little one heating up for you, Pikey.
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The Countdown begins. on 18:47 - Feb 6 with 532 viewsJango

The Countdown begins. on 17:57 - Feb 6 by LeonWasGod

There isn’t a single part of that which is true, from there always having been a plan (there wasn’t) to Tusk saying people who disagree with him are going to hell (he didn’t).


Tusk and the people he is referring to have a difference of opinion on the whole issue. Tusk has suggested they are going to hell.

the plan has always been to leave the EU with or without a deal.

Happy to help.
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The Countdown begins. on 19:01 - Feb 6 with 511 viewsLeonWasGod

The Countdown begins. on 18:47 - Feb 6 by Jango

Tusk and the people he is referring to have a difference of opinion on the whole issue. Tusk has suggested they are going to hell.

the plan has always been to leave the EU with or without a deal.

Happy to help.


He’s not talking about people he disagrees with. His talking about the influential Brexiteers (Gove, Boris, etc) who lead us into this mess.
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The Countdown begins. on 19:15 - Feb 6 with 495 viewsJango

The Countdown begins. on 19:01 - Feb 6 by LeonWasGod

He’s not talking about people he disagrees with. His talking about the influential Brexiteers (Gove, Boris, etc) who lead us into this mess.


He said those who promoted Brexit. He doesn’t like it because they take a different view to him and by blaming it all on them he is also belittling the 17.4m people who voted leave. Europe is in a mess, the eurozone is on the verge of its 3rd recession in 10 years, nationalism is continuing to rise and he’s got the cheek to have a pop at those who want out of the sinking ship.
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