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1:19 pm today was the exact mid point from when the result that the Great British public had decided to leave the EU and the time 11pm March 29th 2019 that Democracy will be delivered.

Happy days.
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The Countdown begins. on 16:23 - Feb 23 with 512 viewsWarwickHunt

The Countdown begins. on 16:08 - Feb 23 by exiledclaseboy

It would. But when was honour ever an issue in politics? May is single mindedly focused on history remembering her as the PM who honoured the referendum result and took the UK out of the EU. She seems to think that’s a good thing. Of course the consequences won’t matter to her, either financially or politically. Her and Mr May are independently wealthy and politically she’ll be gone by the end of the summer, running through fields of wheat without a care in the world. Like Cameron before her, she’ll lead the country down a rabbit hole and then bugger off and let the rest of us face the consequences. The two worst PMs this country has ever had. Heath and Callaghan would be chuffed to have that mantle taken from them if they weren’t both dead.
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Mantle, Andrew.

Disappointing, old fruit.
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The Countdown begins. on 16:26 - Feb 23 with 504 viewsHighjack

The Countdown begins. on 16:05 - Feb 23 by Kilkennyjack

If you think that May, Boris, Farage, and Mogg are not part of the elite then you need to read up on them and the company they keep.

Brexit is a project of the elite, for the elite.

Remain is the only option is you are anti elite. Simples.

You do understand that, right ?


Where the hell did I say May, Boris, Farage and Rees Mogg were not part of the elite you rodney plonker?

The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
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The Countdown begins. on 16:28 - Feb 23 with 503 viewsrockinjk

As Anna Soubry said T.May is obsessed with immigration.

That's why we are where we are. There is rules within existing EU treaties that could have appeased many but it suited many politicians to pretend it's all the fault of those bloody foreigners.

Only British people could want to lose rights to live and work elsewhere, so long as they make it harder for people with a foreign accent. It's crazy.

But then I suppose many thought it would just be the bloody foreigners who would lose rights and not themselves.

One day people will wake up, but they'll need to put the sun/mail/express etc down first.
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The Countdown begins. on 16:31 - Feb 23 with 496 viewsexiledclaseboy

The Countdown begins. on 16:23 - Feb 23 by WarwickHunt

Mantle, Andrew.

Disappointing, old fruit.


I’m blaming autocorrect. Still not as bad as “license”.

Poll: Who will you vote for on 8 June?

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The Countdown begins. on 16:34 - Feb 23 with 479 viewsexiledclaseboy

The Countdown begins. on 16:28 - Feb 23 by rockinjk

As Anna Soubry said T.May is obsessed with immigration.

That's why we are where we are. There is rules within existing EU treaties that could have appeased many but it suited many politicians to pretend it's all the fault of those bloody foreigners.

Only British people could want to lose rights to live and work elsewhere, so long as they make it harder for people with a foreign accent. It's crazy.

But then I suppose many thought it would just be the bloody foreigners who would lose rights and not themselves.

One day people will wake up, but they'll need to put the sun/mail/express etc down first.


Windrush was May’s legacy to the Home Office. She said nothing and let Rudd take the political flack and allowed Rudd blame officials for implementing government policy. Shameful.

Poll: Who will you vote for on 8 June?

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The Countdown begins. on 16:35 - Feb 23 with 474 viewsHighjack

The Countdown begins. on 16:21 - Feb 23 by rockinjk

And btw we still have no positives for brexit.

We have it'll lead to more Far right activity and we had a vote.

Give me a positive!

Just one, I don't ask for much. One!


"I voted remain on pragmatic grounds. I wasn't a lover of the EU, believe it or not I do see some issues with it and it needs reform".

What issues do you have with the EU and what are the chances of reform?

The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
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The Countdown begins. on 16:39 - Feb 23 with 464 viewsexiledclaseboy

Usually, a government minister, let alone a cabinet minister, openly defying government policy would have to resign. Today three cabinet ministers have written in in one of the nation’s biggest selling newspapers that they will openly defy the stated policy of the government in which they serve. Yet they haven’t resigned or been sacked.
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Poll: Who will you vote for on 8 June?

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The Countdown begins. on 17:43 - Feb 23 with 426 viewsrockinjk

The Countdown begins. on 16:35 - Feb 23 by Highjack

"I voted remain on pragmatic grounds. I wasn't a lover of the EU, believe it or not I do see some issues with it and it needs reform".

What issues do you have with the EU and what are the chances of reform?


My issues are related more towards the euro and there is too much bureaucracy. On FOM there could be some more reforms which I strongly believe will happen with pressure across Europe.

The idealism of the EU for me is very attractive, it’s a work in progress and I think we should be shaping the future direction but we can’t while we keep electing UKIP morons and just spreading lies.

Bottom line is it isn’t perfect pretty much no remainer believes this. Maybe EFTA/EEA could have worked to appease those worried by more federalism but to leave. It makes zero sense to me and to reiterate this becomes more clear by the day. I remember feeling disappointed when we voted leave but I never believed we would consider no deal or potentially put peace in Ireland at risk.

I think many genuinely thought that this would be a case of a few further changes, it has been used by ideologies to push an extreme agenda. I don’t blame brexiteers for voting Brexit I blame them for not having another look after what we know NOW.
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The Countdown begins. on 18:11 - Feb 23 with 410 viewsDJack

Highjack, you've been on these boards a while now. It is a not too common occasion when Rockin and ECB are in full agreeance and when they are it is pretty much the right answer...

It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan

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The Countdown begins. on 18:24 - Feb 23 with 403 viewsHighjack

The Countdown begins. on 17:43 - Feb 23 by rockinjk

My issues are related more towards the euro and there is too much bureaucracy. On FOM there could be some more reforms which I strongly believe will happen with pressure across Europe.

The idealism of the EU for me is very attractive, it’s a work in progress and I think we should be shaping the future direction but we can’t while we keep electing UKIP morons and just spreading lies.

Bottom line is it isn’t perfect pretty much no remainer believes this. Maybe EFTA/EEA could have worked to appease those worried by more federalism but to leave. It makes zero sense to me and to reiterate this becomes more clear by the day. I remember feeling disappointed when we voted leave but I never believed we would consider no deal or potentially put peace in Ireland at risk.

I think many genuinely thought that this would be a case of a few further changes, it has been used by ideologies to push an extreme agenda. I don’t blame brexiteers for voting Brexit I blame them for not having another look after what we know NOW.


So what are the chances of us reforming the EU so they drop the Euro?

The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
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The Countdown begins. on 18:25 - Feb 23 with 402 viewsHighjack

The Countdown begins. on 18:11 - Feb 23 by DJack

Highjack, you've been on these boards a while now. It is a not too common occasion when Rockin and ECB are in full agreeance and when they are it is pretty much the right answer...


There is no right answer.

The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
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The Countdown begins. on 18:36 - Feb 23 with 395 viewsDJack

The Countdown begins. on 18:25 - Feb 23 by Highjack

There is no right answer.


Actually, I agree with that. However there is the most favourable/least destructive answer.

As Rockin (and others) on previous occasions have stated the EU is far from perfect but the way to change that is from within...even Thatcher knew that. The death of Europe will come from populism not collective consensus which is why the EU are being strict (nasty in the eyes of naysayers) on the populist governments. Follow the money supporting these groups and it is not from the EU but from a bit further east.

It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan

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The Countdown begins. on 18:41 - Feb 23 with 391 viewsHighjack

The Countdown begins. on 18:36 - Feb 23 by DJack

Actually, I agree with that. However there is the most favourable/least destructive answer.

As Rockin (and others) on previous occasions have stated the EU is far from perfect but the way to change that is from within...even Thatcher knew that. The death of Europe will come from populism not collective consensus which is why the EU are being strict (nasty in the eyes of naysayers) on the populist governments. Follow the money supporting these groups and it is not from the EU but from a bit further east.


It's almost the mantra of remain supporters "I don't like the EU but we need to reform it". They all say it. Even those advocating to stay in the EU don't bloody like it. That's the mad paradox of their argument.

We've been trying to reform it for years, they are not open to reform. Reform has been shown to be utterly impossible. Europe is non negotiable.

The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
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The Countdown begins. on 19:05 - Feb 23 with 381 viewsLeonWasGod

The Countdown begins. on 18:41 - Feb 23 by Highjack

It's almost the mantra of remain supporters "I don't like the EU but we need to reform it". They all say it. Even those advocating to stay in the EU don't bloody like it. That's the mad paradox of their argument.

We've been trying to reform it for years, they are not open to reform. Reform has been shown to be utterly impossible. Europe is non negotiable.


I don’t say it. I much prefer their approach to ours.
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The Countdown begins. on 19:22 - Feb 23 with 371 viewsrockinjk

The Countdown begins. on 18:41 - Feb 23 by Highjack

It's almost the mantra of remain supporters "I don't like the EU but we need to reform it". They all say it. Even those advocating to stay in the EU don't bloody like it. That's the mad paradox of their argument.

We've been trying to reform it for years, they are not open to reform. Reform has been shown to be utterly impossible. Europe is non negotiable.


You’ve twisted my words there, I like the EU, I like free movement, I believe we’re better together

I just don’t believe it’s perfect, it’s a nuanced perspective that remain has and Brexit supporters cannot comprehend because everything is .... black and white with them
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The Countdown begins. on 22:09 - Feb 23 with 315 viewsoh_tommy_tommy

The right wing new tiger party rosette 🏵

we won’t back a General Election because Corbyn might win, we won’t have a by-Election because Corbyn will win and we won’t back Corbyn’s Custom Union because he will win

And now we have the thread talking remain and reform

I wonder who first said that ?

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The Countdown begins. on 22:12 - Feb 23 with 309 viewswaynekerr55

The Countdown begins. on 22:09 - Feb 23 by oh_tommy_tommy

The right wing new tiger party rosette 🏵

we won’t back a General Election because Corbyn might win, we won’t have a by-Election because Corbyn will win and we won’t back Corbyn’s Custom Union because he will win

And now we have the thread talking remain and reform

I wonder who first said that ?


Ah yes, honourable Jeremy who gets irate at being asked questions he can't set.

Come on Tom!

How many of you know what DP stands for?
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Blog: Too many things for a title, but stop with the xenophobia accusations!

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The Countdown begins. on 22:13 - Feb 23 with 305 viewsDJack

The Countdown begins. on 18:41 - Feb 23 by Highjack

It's almost the mantra of remain supporters "I don't like the EU but we need to reform it". They all say it. Even those advocating to stay in the EU don't bloody like it. That's the mad paradox of their argument.

We've been trying to reform it for years, they are not open to reform. Reform has been shown to be utterly impossible. Europe is non negotiable.


Substitute "EU" for "parliament"...

Then again no one has said that they don't like the EU (apart from Brexidiots), they just say that there are improvements to be made. The only paradox is in your mind. As to reform, no we have not been trying to reform it for years. We've been trying to impose British will on it whilst some other foreign nationalists have opposed. Reform comes from a deliberate and thoughtful evaluation process not jingoistic reaction (however good the intention and/or basic argument).

It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan

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The Countdown begins. on 22:40 - Feb 23 with 292 viewsoh_tommy_tommy

The Countdown begins. on 22:12 - Feb 23 by waynekerr55

Ah yes, honourable Jeremy who gets irate at being asked questions he can't set.

Come on Tom!


Come on my friend I have called it all way so far

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The Countdown begins. on 22:44 - Feb 23 with 288 viewsDJack

The Countdown begins. on 22:40 - Feb 23 by oh_tommy_tommy

Come on my friend I have called it all way so far


Bollix. Clasey and others have called it, not you. All you have done is spout pro Corbyn drivel - and this is from someone who was, initially, prepared to give the idiot a chance (him not you).

It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan

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The Countdown begins. on 22:48 - Feb 23 with 286 viewsexiledclaseboy

The Countdown begins. on 22:40 - Feb 23 by oh_tommy_tommy

Come on my friend I have called it all way so far


Called what?

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The Countdown begins. on 22:56 - Feb 23 with 275 viewsrockinjk

The Countdown begins. on 22:44 - Feb 23 by DJack

Bollix. Clasey and others have called it, not you. All you have done is spout pro Corbyn drivel - and this is from someone who was, initially, prepared to give the idiot a chance (him not you).


I feel sorry for genuine labour supporters.

Tom can't see it, he seems a decent guy and has values I can respect but he's stuck in the mindset that Corbyn is playing a blinder.

He simply isn't. He was pushed kicking and screaming into supporting a customs union, he didn't want it. That's just a fact. He now pretends this is some great alternative idea, when in relaity his offering is just vastly inferior terms to what we have now.

He has blocked all attempts to move towards an EFTA/EEA or Peoples Vote position and played his supporters for fools. Even now, they still can't see it because he plays to the gallery.

I'm a pro business centrist, I'm not instinctively labour. I would rather vote lib dem or moderate tory but I'd vote labour in a heart beat with someone like Yvette Cooper, Chuka etc advocating a pro EU/business agenda.

Most traditional labour voters understand to win elections you have to win over people like myself to win elections. Corbyn will kill labour and I don't relish this prospect because some parts of society genuinely need a strong labour party.
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The Countdown begins. on 23:06 - Feb 23 with 267 viewsoh_tommy_tommy

The Countdown begins. on 22:44 - Feb 23 by DJack

Bollix. Clasey and others have called it, not you. All you have done is spout pro Corbyn drivel - and this is from someone who was, initially, prepared to give the idiot a chance (him not you).


Take a look a thread and pull me up .

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The Countdown begins. on 23:14 - Feb 23 with 261 viewsoh_tommy_tommy

The Countdown begins. on 22:56 - Feb 23 by rockinjk

I feel sorry for genuine labour supporters.

Tom can't see it, he seems a decent guy and has values I can respect but he's stuck in the mindset that Corbyn is playing a blinder.

He simply isn't. He was pushed kicking and screaming into supporting a customs union, he didn't want it. That's just a fact. He now pretends this is some great alternative idea, when in relaity his offering is just vastly inferior terms to what we have now.

He has blocked all attempts to move towards an EFTA/EEA or Peoples Vote position and played his supporters for fools. Even now, they still can't see it because he plays to the gallery.

I'm a pro business centrist, I'm not instinctively labour. I would rather vote lib dem or moderate tory but I'd vote labour in a heart beat with someone like Yvette Cooper, Chuka etc advocating a pro EU/business agenda.

Most traditional labour voters understand to win elections you have to win over people like myself to win elections. Corbyn will kill labour and I don't relish this prospect because some parts of society genuinely need a strong labour party.


Genuine labour supporters ...........

This is about brexit my friend not about who you are voting for next election

I voted remain

And I’ve accepted the result from the begining , we leave and we leave with the best deal we can get.

Out there in the streets and in the factories the leave vote is very passionate , first major party to diss it will die .

As a side note there are still people out there who think a no deal means it’s all off

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The Countdown begins. on 23:33 - Feb 23 with 254 viewsWarwickHunt

The Countdown begins. on 22:40 - Feb 23 by oh_tommy_tommy

Come on my friend I have called it all way so far


You’ve consistently parroted Corbyn’s pathetic, two-faced drivel. But crack on, fanboy.
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