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And like a typical anti democracy remoaner he decided the will of the people should be ignored the minute the democratic result was in total fecking hypocrite 😂😂😂😂😂😂

Despite it being voted in to law by the commons the spineless two faced remoaner MPs have totally abandoned any morals and decided to ignore the will of the British people.

It will be remembered and no election or referendum will ever be the same again in this country.

The one thing that will come is a massive surge in the popularity of UKIP or a similar party in the future who stand for the 52%.

Happy Days.

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The Countdown begins. on 13:03 - Mar 16 with 884 viewsrockinjk

The Countdown begins. on 12:52 - Mar 16 by Highjack

Should we just pack it all in and live in a benevolent dictatorship?


Please tell me we’re not going back to the EUSSR rhetoric

I still can’t quite comprehend why people still believe in this purely because you voted for it:

It’s a sign of intelligence to change your mind. But hey ho on we go
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The Countdown begins. on 13:12 - Mar 16 with 873 viewsHighjack

The Countdown begins. on 13:03 - Mar 16 by rockinjk

Please tell me we’re not going back to the EUSSR rhetoric

I still can’t quite comprehend why people still believe in this purely because you voted for it:

It’s a sign of intelligence to change your mind. But hey ho on we go


No. The post I was replying to was the one that suggested that money is far more important than democracy. “Democracy FFS”.

But I guess you missed the nuance. Or didn’t read the post I was responding to. Which is a sign of a lack of intelligence.

The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
Poll: The official planetswans European election poll. Your vote goes to?

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The Countdown begins. on 13:23 - Mar 16 with 859 viewsEbo

The Countdown begins. on 12:52 - Mar 16 by Highjack

Should we just pack it all in and live in a benevolent dictatorship?


We are already in one. It's called Westminster. Do keep up.

Thank you, goodnight and bollocks
Poll: What couldn't you live without?

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The Countdown begins. on 13:24 - Mar 16 with 858 viewsHighjack

The Countdown begins. on 13:23 - Mar 16 by Ebo

We are already in one. It's called Westminster. Do keep up.


Do you think that governments should make decisions solely based on what’s right for the economy?

The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
Poll: The official planetswans European election poll. Your vote goes to?

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The Countdown begins. on 13:56 - Mar 16 with 828 viewsEbo

The Countdown begins. on 13:24 - Mar 16 by Highjack

Do you think that governments should make decisions solely based on what’s right for the economy?


Well when the public got to decide and we ended up in this mess, well you know the rest.

Thank you, goodnight and bollocks
Poll: What couldn't you live without?

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The Countdown begins. on 14:08 - Mar 16 with 815 viewsHighjack

The Countdown begins. on 13:56 - Mar 16 by Ebo

Well when the public got to decide and we ended up in this mess, well you know the rest.


So they should always make the decisions for us as long as it’s good for the economy? Is that what you’re trying to say?

So for example just hypothetically if they decided to sell off and privatise NHS because it’s good for the economy we should have no say in that?

Literally the only argument against brexit is “what about the economy, what about the markets?” I can completely understand people like rockin, Lisa, Warwick etc. having that point of view because they are dyed in the wool Tories and trickle down economics is their mantra. But I simply can’t understand it from those like yourself and others who hate the tories, hate thatcher, yet channel them when it comes to brexit.

The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
Poll: The official planetswans European election poll. Your vote goes to?

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The Countdown begins. on 14:14 - Mar 16 with 800 viewsWarwickHunt

The Countdown begins. on 14:08 - Mar 16 by Highjack

So they should always make the decisions for us as long as it’s good for the economy? Is that what you’re trying to say?

So for example just hypothetically if they decided to sell off and privatise NHS because it’s good for the economy we should have no say in that?

Literally the only argument against brexit is “what about the economy, what about the markets?” I can completely understand people like rockin, Lisa, Warwick etc. having that point of view because they are dyed in the wool Tories and trickle down economics is their mantra. But I simply can’t understand it from those like yourself and others who hate the tories, hate thatcher, yet channel them when it comes to brexit.


I’m a lifelong Labour supporter and former member, you daft twàt.
I can assure you that Lisa isn’t a Tory either.

Your posts have become increasingly confused and demented. Are you well, sunshine?
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The Countdown begins. on 14:15 - Mar 16 with 801 viewsrockinjk

The Countdown begins. on 13:12 - Mar 16 by Highjack

No. The post I was replying to was the one that suggested that money is far more important than democracy. “Democracy FFS”.

But I guess you missed the nuance. Or didn’t read the post I was responding to. Which is a sign of a lack of intelligence.


I know exactly what you were saying.

Your whole premise is that based on that one referendum, that silly opinion poll we should just accept any crap as long as it honours the "will of the people"

Our democracy is based on Parliamentary democracy, not plebiscite.

This vote has taken on some awesome importance that to anyone outside of our Island would be bemused by.

Democracy isn't one event, it's constantly in flux. We are destroying this Country through pure bloody stubbornness. I'll say it again, no one can give a positive. No one says we'll be better off, no one can explain to us why we're doing this. All we have is this word "democracy" when true democracy is being able to change your mind. As a certain David Davis once said.
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The Countdown begins. on 14:24 - Mar 16 with 785 viewsrockinjk

The Countdown begins. on 14:08 - Mar 16 by Highjack

So they should always make the decisions for us as long as it’s good for the economy? Is that what you’re trying to say?

So for example just hypothetically if they decided to sell off and privatise NHS because it’s good for the economy we should have no say in that?

Literally the only argument against brexit is “what about the economy, what about the markets?” I can completely understand people like rockin, Lisa, Warwick etc. having that point of view because they are dyed in the wool Tories and trickle down economics is their mantra. But I simply can’t understand it from those like yourself and others who hate the tories, hate thatcher, yet channel them when it comes to brexit.


I'm not Thatcherite, but I'll run with it.

Are you saying leaving the EU will benefit workers? Are you seriously saying that?

You think JRM, Farage, Redwood, IDS, Murdoch, Barclay Brothers etc are for the workers?

Europe is a beacon for social democratic values, if brexit is to be a success we will go off into a Thatcherite on drugs direction because WE WILL HAVE TO. Have you not been listening - the model that is often cited in Singapore and in any trade deal with the States that will mean far more of a focus on the "market" and privatisation.

You should be concerned if you do find pro business people actually taking a more left wing viewpoint here. You should be VERY concerned by that.
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The Countdown begins. on 23:06 - Mar 16 with 698 viewsoh_tommy_tommy

The Countdown begins. on 12:00 - Mar 16 by rockinjk

So we can have a “jobs first Brexit”

Yeah that’ll sort it Tom

As terrible as this Government is we don’t want a communist in number 10 that would really be time to turn out the lights


A communist

Facking hell no wonder you disappeared the last time

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The Countdown begins. on 23:11 - Mar 16 with 689 viewsoh_tommy_tommy

The Countdown begins. on 12:16 - Mar 16 by Gowerjack

Yep

Then the Tories will get in with an increased majority because your man is feckin useless.

Good plan Tommy.


Keep those Twitter rants up mush


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The Countdown begins. on 00:08 - Mar 17 with 668 viewsrockinjk

Always follows, labour behind in polls - it's a tory conspiracy, they mean nothing, it's because corbyn never gets a look in, the poll in GE is what matters.

Labour scrape ahead - SEE Corbyn is the man!!

It's like when brexiteers cream themselves over some moderately decent news it shows a complete lack of confidence.

Corbyn is a dud, everyone knows this beyond the cult and yes he is a borderline communist and don't come back at me with the manifesto I'm talking about him personally. He is on the extreme fringe of the labour movement, his soul mate Mcdonnell admits to being a Marxist.

He hasn't changed on iota from the lad that went over to Africa and embraced revolutionary socialism. His politics are from the SWP, he loathes social democracy. There's stacks of evidence out there that he is no cuddly Uncle. He is not fit to be PM.

But you keep the red flag flying high Tom. He WILL NEVER BE PM.
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The Countdown begins. on 00:14 - Mar 17 with 664 viewsexiledclaseboy

The Countdown begins. on 00:08 - Mar 17 by rockinjk

Always follows, labour behind in polls - it's a tory conspiracy, they mean nothing, it's because corbyn never gets a look in, the poll in GE is what matters.

Labour scrape ahead - SEE Corbyn is the man!!

It's like when brexiteers cream themselves over some moderately decent news it shows a complete lack of confidence.

Corbyn is a dud, everyone knows this beyond the cult and yes he is a borderline communist and don't come back at me with the manifesto I'm talking about him personally. He is on the extreme fringe of the labour movement, his soul mate Mcdonnell admits to being a Marxist.

He hasn't changed on iota from the lad that went over to Africa and embraced revolutionary socialism. His politics are from the SWP, he loathes social democracy. There's stacks of evidence out there that he is no cuddly Uncle. He is not fit to be PM.

But you keep the red flag flying high Tom. He WILL NEVER BE PM.


Celebrating being four points ahead. Four f*cking points. Jesus. This government is illegitimate. It has no mandate and is squatting in power and about to take us out of the EU with a withdrawal deal that absolutely everyone thinks sucks. Yet let’s all yay cos a poll shows labour four points ahead. They should be 30points ahead for crying out loud.

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The Countdown begins. on 00:21 - Mar 17 with 662 viewsrockinjk

The Countdown begins. on 00:14 - Mar 17 by exiledclaseboy

Celebrating being four points ahead. Four f*cking points. Jesus. This government is illegitimate. It has no mandate and is squatting in power and about to take us out of the EU with a withdrawal deal that absolutely everyone thinks sucks. Yet let’s all yay cos a poll shows labour four points ahead. They should be 30points ahead for crying out loud.


It's one poll to, on weighted averages the tories are AHEAD.

AHEAD?

Can you believe that?

As you say for labour to be 10 points ahead now in normal times would be a resigning matter. That btw is with a Government that would be relatively stable!

They should be ready to win a landslide, the tories have no right to win next time but I expect them to win comfortably.

The plan is now clearly to get the "deal" over the line, get rid of May get someone with an iota of charisma in place and a 50 plus seat majority then the Irish will be thrown under the bus.

One poxy lead in an opinion poll and that's a cause for thousands of retweets and celebration from the corbynistas.

Tragic.

Meanwhile the hard right of the tory party toast magic Grampa for all his good work. Sometimes I wonder if we're living in some parallel universe.
[Post edited 17 Mar 0:23]
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The Countdown begins. on 00:56 - Mar 17 with 650 viewswestside

wow what a brilliant march this is

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/in-filthy-weather-farages-few-hundred-begi
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(No subject) (n/t) on 01:10 - Mar 17 with 640 viewsJoe_bradshaw

The Countdown begins. on 00:21 - Mar 17 by rockinjk

It's one poll to, on weighted averages the tories are AHEAD.

AHEAD?

Can you believe that?

As you say for labour to be 10 points ahead now in normal times would be a resigning matter. That btw is with a Government that would be relatively stable!

They should be ready to win a landslide, the tories have no right to win next time but I expect them to win comfortably.

The plan is now clearly to get the "deal" over the line, get rid of May get someone with an iota of charisma in place and a 50 plus seat majority then the Irish will be thrown under the bus.

One poxy lead in an opinion poll and that's a cause for thousands of retweets and celebration from the corbynistas.

Tragic.

Meanwhile the hard right of the tory party toast magic Grampa for all his good work. Sometimes I wonder if we're living in some parallel universe.
[Post edited 17 Mar 0:23]


It’s one poll and conveniently ignored is the other poll published tonight that puts the Tories 4 points ahead. Not to mention the other 14 polls since the beginning of February, 12 of which put the Tories ahead by an average of 5 and a half points with the other two tied.

It’s astonishingly inept to consistently be behind May and her band of shysters. This is the worst government in my lifetime of 62 years and the opposition are behind in the polls. Has there ever in history been such a lack of statesmanship on all sides of the House of Commons?
[Post edited 17 Mar 1:17]

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The Countdown begins. on 01:25 - Mar 17 with 629 viewsAce_Jack

The Countdown begins. on 00:21 - Mar 17 by rockinjk

It's one poll to, on weighted averages the tories are AHEAD.

AHEAD?

Can you believe that?

As you say for labour to be 10 points ahead now in normal times would be a resigning matter. That btw is with a Government that would be relatively stable!

They should be ready to win a landslide, the tories have no right to win next time but I expect them to win comfortably.

The plan is now clearly to get the "deal" over the line, get rid of May get someone with an iota of charisma in place and a 50 plus seat majority then the Irish will be thrown under the bus.

One poxy lead in an opinion poll and that's a cause for thousands of retweets and celebration from the corbynistas.

Tragic.

Meanwhile the hard right of the tory party toast magic Grampa for all his good work. Sometimes I wonder if we're living in some parallel universe.
[Post edited 17 Mar 0:23]


As a labour man, your posts have been a thorny, disheartening read. But god it’s pretty much bang on.
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The Countdown begins. on 08:18 - Mar 17 with 579 viewsGowerjack

The Countdown begins. on 19:59 - Mar 15 by exiledclaseboy

Slim I would say. It would cause chaos. May will only try again if she thinks she’ll win it. The DUP is key. It’ll get through.


You Sir are Robert Peston and I claim my £5 pounds..



Don’t bet there’ll be a third vote on Theresa May’s deal



Although the prime minister wants to hold another “meaningful vote” on her Brexit plan next week, it is by no means certain that, when it comes to the crunch, she will choose to do so.

I am told by her close colleagues, that two conditions must be met for her to go ahead with the vote, probably on Tuesday.

First, Northern Ireland’s DUP must say on Monday that they have, at the last, changed their minds and have decided to vote with her.

To be clear, there is no logical reason why they should do this, given that there will be no last-minute alteration to what they hate most about her deal - namely the backstop which is designed to keep open the border on the island of Ireland and is enshrined in the Withdrawal Agreement.

So, the theoretical risk that the backstop will be forever, and will drive a regulatory wedge between Northern Ireland and Great Britain – which the DUP sees as toxic – is still implicit in May’s plan.

But DUP MPs and politicians increasingly seem embarrassed by their central role in derailing Brexit, and ministers are therefore hopeful that just possibly they will cease their opposition if – for example – they are guaranteed a central role in negotiating whatever arrangements that ultimately make the backstop redundant or short-lived.

And when I ask government members what else could mollify Northern Ireland’s main unionist party, they text me emojis of dollars bills.


That said, the DUP tells me they won’t be bribed, or at least not this time. And that they will only vote for the deal if persuaded there is no risk that the Brexit settlement would fracture the union between Northern Ireland and Great Britain.

Truthfully, I don’t see how they will be able to rescue the PM, because – as I said from the outset – nothing fundamental has or will change to underwrite such a volte-face.

But since we live in such strange times, I am loath to bet my life savings on 10 MPs of any persuasion sticking to what they claim to be inviolable principles.

So, let’s make the heroic – and probably erroneous – assumption that somehow the PM talks the DUP round. What then?

Well she would still only hold this third meaningful vote if the clear majority of the Brexiteer rebels in her own party, those belonging to the European Research Group, have a belated change of heart and also back her deal.

Now again there is absolutely no principled reason for any of them to do so, given that the deal has not materially altered. But some are conspicuously on the brink of capitulating, in the fear if they don’t, Brexit would be significantly delayed (and a number will show solidarity with the DUP and do whatever the DUP decides).


So, the second – and obvious – condition that would have to be met for May to have a third shot at ratification of her deal is that her whips, led by Julian Smith, would need to be confident that she could significantly reduce the margin of defeat or (less plausibly) actually win.

The reason why reducing the loss to – say – 10 or 20 votes would be so valuable to her is that at that point she would then feel emboldened to hold a (you guessed!) fourth meaningful vote – because she might then be able to persuade perhaps six or even 12 additional Labour MPs who want Brexit to back her deal - in that there would at last be a point for them in suffering all the hate that would be heaped on them by colleagues for defying the orders of their leader, Corbyn.

As one minister put it to me, “there’s no point Labour MPs taking s**t from members for voting with us unless they think we can actually win the vote”. At this point I imagine you will agree with me that it is a long way from certain that the PM secures her deal next week, for all the widespread expectation that she is about to snatch victory from the jaws of Brexit delay.

So briefly let’s assess two other elements of Downing Street planning. First, if she loses she’ll tell EU leaders at the Council on Thursday that the following two weeks would be spent sounding out the views of MPs – via so-called “indicative votes” – about what kind of Brexit they could support.

To be clear, the PM would endeavour to reassure the rest of the EU that this would not involve opening the Withdrawal Agreement or having a further push at changing the backstop. It would simply be a narrowing of the range options for the future relationship, or the scope of the so-called Political Declaration.

And both May and EU leaders would assume that if MPs could then coalesce around any reworked Brexit it would be a much softer Brexit – probably involving direct or approximated membership of the customs union and single market – and therefore a Brexit even less palatable for Brexiter purists (who would be expected to lump it).

This would of course be music to the ears of perhaps a quarter of the Cabinet, led by Rudd, Hammond, Clark, Gauke and Mundell.

But it would involve a lengthy Brexit delay, beyond 1 July – and therefore necessitate the UK participating in May’s elections to the European Parliament.

As it happens, quite a few ministers and Tory MPs are less frightened by this prospect than I would have expected. “It is an inconvenience, not a disaster” says one.

So, if these scenarios are accurate, what does this tell us about what kind of Brexit – if any – we’ll have?

Well that is still an impossible forecast.

Here are three reasons why.

First, if May gets her deal approved next week, the ERG Brexiters could still secure their cherished no-deal Brexit at the end of May by talking out the Withdrawal Agreement and Implementation Bill that would turn the meaningful vote into Brexit reality.

Second, if her deal is squelched, the process of turning indicative votes into a deliverable Brexit deal would only be effective if Labour cooperated in an institutional sense, and that could not be guaranteed.

Third, everything I’ve written is redundant if the Speaker were to rule that the PM’s desire to hold the meaningful vote for a third time is a blatant and unacceptable breach of parliamentary convention – and therefore prohibits it.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: the first law of Brexit is “anything can happen”.
[Post edited 17 Mar 8:51]

Plastic since 1974
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The Countdown begins. on 08:49 - Mar 17 with 572 viewsGowerjack

The Countdown begins. on 23:11 - Mar 16 by oh_tommy_tommy

Keep those Twitter rants up mush



Not rants just an appeal to the grown ups in the party to see sense or face another five years being stamped on by the Tory boot.

I fully understand the cultists like yourself are a lost cause.

Enjoy your poll!

Plastic since 1974
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The Countdown begins. on 09:03 - Mar 17 with 565 viewsWarwickHunt

The Countdown begins. on 08:18 - Mar 17 by Gowerjack

You Sir are Robert Peston and I claim my £5 pounds..



Don’t bet there’ll be a third vote on Theresa May’s deal



Although the prime minister wants to hold another “meaningful vote” on her Brexit plan next week, it is by no means certain that, when it comes to the crunch, she will choose to do so.

I am told by her close colleagues, that two conditions must be met for her to go ahead with the vote, probably on Tuesday.

First, Northern Ireland’s DUP must say on Monday that they have, at the last, changed their minds and have decided to vote with her.

To be clear, there is no logical reason why they should do this, given that there will be no last-minute alteration to what they hate most about her deal - namely the backstop which is designed to keep open the border on the island of Ireland and is enshrined in the Withdrawal Agreement.

So, the theoretical risk that the backstop will be forever, and will drive a regulatory wedge between Northern Ireland and Great Britain – which the DUP sees as toxic – is still implicit in May’s plan.

But DUP MPs and politicians increasingly seem embarrassed by their central role in derailing Brexit, and ministers are therefore hopeful that just possibly they will cease their opposition if – for example – they are guaranteed a central role in negotiating whatever arrangements that ultimately make the backstop redundant or short-lived.

And when I ask government members what else could mollify Northern Ireland’s main unionist party, they text me emojis of dollars bills.


That said, the DUP tells me they won’t be bribed, or at least not this time. And that they will only vote for the deal if persuaded there is no risk that the Brexit settlement would fracture the union between Northern Ireland and Great Britain.

Truthfully, I don’t see how they will be able to rescue the PM, because – as I said from the outset – nothing fundamental has or will change to underwrite such a volte-face.

But since we live in such strange times, I am loath to bet my life savings on 10 MPs of any persuasion sticking to what they claim to be inviolable principles.

So, let’s make the heroic – and probably erroneous – assumption that somehow the PM talks the DUP round. What then?

Well she would still only hold this third meaningful vote if the clear majority of the Brexiteer rebels in her own party, those belonging to the European Research Group, have a belated change of heart and also back her deal.

Now again there is absolutely no principled reason for any of them to do so, given that the deal has not materially altered. But some are conspicuously on the brink of capitulating, in the fear if they don’t, Brexit would be significantly delayed (and a number will show solidarity with the DUP and do whatever the DUP decides).


So, the second – and obvious – condition that would have to be met for May to have a third shot at ratification of her deal is that her whips, led by Julian Smith, would need to be confident that she could significantly reduce the margin of defeat or (less plausibly) actually win.

The reason why reducing the loss to – say – 10 or 20 votes would be so valuable to her is that at that point she would then feel emboldened to hold a (you guessed!) fourth meaningful vote – because she might then be able to persuade perhaps six or even 12 additional Labour MPs who want Brexit to back her deal - in that there would at last be a point for them in suffering all the hate that would be heaped on them by colleagues for defying the orders of their leader, Corbyn.

As one minister put it to me, “there’s no point Labour MPs taking s**t from members for voting with us unless they think we can actually win the vote”. At this point I imagine you will agree with me that it is a long way from certain that the PM secures her deal next week, for all the widespread expectation that she is about to snatch victory from the jaws of Brexit delay.

So briefly let’s assess two other elements of Downing Street planning. First, if she loses she’ll tell EU leaders at the Council on Thursday that the following two weeks would be spent sounding out the views of MPs – via so-called “indicative votes” – about what kind of Brexit they could support.

To be clear, the PM would endeavour to reassure the rest of the EU that this would not involve opening the Withdrawal Agreement or having a further push at changing the backstop. It would simply be a narrowing of the range options for the future relationship, or the scope of the so-called Political Declaration.

And both May and EU leaders would assume that if MPs could then coalesce around any reworked Brexit it would be a much softer Brexit – probably involving direct or approximated membership of the customs union and single market – and therefore a Brexit even less palatable for Brexiter purists (who would be expected to lump it).

This would of course be music to the ears of perhaps a quarter of the Cabinet, led by Rudd, Hammond, Clark, Gauke and Mundell.

But it would involve a lengthy Brexit delay, beyond 1 July – and therefore necessitate the UK participating in May’s elections to the European Parliament.

As it happens, quite a few ministers and Tory MPs are less frightened by this prospect than I would have expected. “It is an inconvenience, not a disaster” says one.

So, if these scenarios are accurate, what does this tell us about what kind of Brexit – if any – we’ll have?

Well that is still an impossible forecast.

Here are three reasons why.

First, if May gets her deal approved next week, the ERG Brexiters could still secure their cherished no-deal Brexit at the end of May by talking out the Withdrawal Agreement and Implementation Bill that would turn the meaningful vote into Brexit reality.

Second, if her deal is squelched, the process of turning indicative votes into a deliverable Brexit deal would only be effective if Labour cooperated in an institutional sense, and that could not be guaranteed.

Third, everything I’ve written is redundant if the Speaker were to rule that the PM’s desire to hold the meaningful vote for a third time is a blatant and unacceptable breach of parliamentary convention – and therefore prohibits it.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: the first law of Brexit is “anything can happen”.
[Post edited 17 Mar 8:51]


The Telegraph (and they should know...) reckon there are 30 Tories who will still vote against it regardless of what the DUP decide.

However, if I had to bet, I’d go with Bercow ruling a third vote out of order. Not sure that would be the end of it though.

There’s also talk of Tory MPs wanting a promise that May will resign soon after as the price for their votes.

And we thought last week was going to be fun...
[Post edited 17 Mar 9:04]
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The Countdown begins. on 09:03 - Mar 17 with 567 viewsexiledclaseboy

The Countdown begins. on 08:49 - Mar 17 by Gowerjack

Not rants just an appeal to the grown ups in the party to see sense or face another five years being stamped on by the Tory boot.

I fully understand the cultists like yourself are a lost cause.

Enjoy your poll!


Five years? More like 25.

Poll: Tory leader

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The Countdown begins. on 09:08 - Mar 17 with 560 viewsLeonWasGod

The Countdown begins. on 00:21 - Mar 17 by rockinjk

It's one poll to, on weighted averages the tories are AHEAD.

AHEAD?

Can you believe that?

As you say for labour to be 10 points ahead now in normal times would be a resigning matter. That btw is with a Government that would be relatively stable!

They should be ready to win a landslide, the tories have no right to win next time but I expect them to win comfortably.

The plan is now clearly to get the "deal" over the line, get rid of May get someone with an iota of charisma in place and a 50 plus seat majority then the Irish will be thrown under the bus.

One poxy lead in an opinion poll and that's a cause for thousands of retweets and celebration from the corbynistas.

Tragic.

Meanwhile the hard right of the tory party toast magic Grampa for all his good work. Sometimes I wonder if we're living in some parallel universe.
[Post edited 17 Mar 0:23]


Are they really? That's a disgrace if so. Put a tie on a cabbage and it would be more popular than the Tories.
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The Countdown begins. on 09:13 - Mar 17 with 556 viewsexiledclaseboy

The Countdown begins. on 09:03 - Mar 17 by WarwickHunt

The Telegraph (and they should know...) reckon there are 30 Tories who will still vote against it regardless of what the DUP decide.

However, if I had to bet, I’d go with Bercow ruling a third vote out of order. Not sure that would be the end of it though.

There’s also talk of Tory MPs wanting a promise that May will resign soon after as the price for their votes.

And we thought last week was going to be fun...
[Post edited 17 Mar 9:04]


Labour is also ready eventually to back a “confirmatory referendum” amendment which will approve May’s deal but only in the basis that it’s put to the public with remain as the other option. That may be the best we can hope for. Genuinely don’t think Bercow will rule out a third vote (a fourth may be different). If I had to bet on it I still think we’ll end up leaving with May’s deal.

Poll: Tory leader

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The Countdown begins. on 09:15 - Mar 17 with 553 viewsWarwickHunt

The Countdown begins. on 09:08 - Mar 17 by LeonWasGod

Are they really? That's a disgrace if so. Put a tie on a cabbage and it would be more popular than the Tories.


That description of Corbyn is wrong on two counts: he’s not more popular and he can’t even put a fûcking tie on properly.

Perhaps if someone helped him dress in the morning it would be a start.
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The Countdown begins. on 09:19 - Mar 17 with 543 viewsLeonWasGod

The Countdown begins. on 09:15 - Mar 17 by WarwickHunt

That description of Corbyn is wrong on two counts: he’s not more popular and he can’t even put a fûcking tie on properly.

Perhaps if someone helped him dress in the morning it would be a start.


'Corbyn: less popular than a cabbage'


There we are - that's the Tories campaign slogan sorted.
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