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And like a typical anti democracy remoaner he decided the will of the people should be ignored the minute the democratic result was in total fecking hypocrite πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚

Despite it being voted in to law by the commons the spineless two faced remoaner MPs have totally abandoned any morals and decided to ignore the will of the British people.

It will be remembered and no election or referendum will ever be the same again in this country.

The one thing that will come is a massive surge in the popularity of UKIP or a similar party in the future who stand for the 52%.

Happy Days.

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The Countdown begins on 10:05 - Mar 20 with 630 viewsBatterseajack

The Countdown begins on 09:42 - Mar 20 by Joe_bradshaw

It appears that she’s not going to ask for more than a three month extension. Will the EU grant it?

She’s certainly determined to get her deal through by hook or by crook.


No idea, what will 3 months achieve. Its probably just enough time to get a superficial change to her deal so that she can have MV3. And when that gets defeated yet again, then what?
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The Countdown begins on 10:18 - Mar 20 with 613 viewsHighjack

The Countdown begins on 09:58 - Mar 20 by sherpajacob

It's like playing chess with a rooster.

Brexiteer argument: Blair was wrong about Iraq, therefore he is wrong about Brexit.

Remainer: But IDS was all in favour of invading Iraq, is he wrong about Brexit too?

Brexiteer: But Blair wanted to join the Euro.

Remainer: Blair and Brown secured an opt out of the Euro, when all the other major European economies joined it.

Brexiteer : Bananas, Passports, parliamentary sovereignty (no, not that parliamentary sovereignty)


It's more like playing hide and seek with an ostrich.

Idiot argument: Blair is a great man and everybody should stop being beastly to him.

Rational person: He murdered, injured and displaced millions and destabilised an entire region and made millions of pounds of personal wealth in the process all for his own ego because he was in thrall to the President of the United States.

Idiot argument: Yes but the Tories probably would have done it if he hadn't

Rational person: But they didn't

Idiot: But they probably would have

Rational person: But they didn't

Idiot: But minimum wage

Rational Person: Millions dead.

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The Countdown begins on 10:18 - Mar 20 with 606 viewsWarwickHunt

The Countdown begins on 10:05 - Mar 20 by Batterseajack

No idea, what will 3 months achieve. Its probably just enough time to get a superficial change to her deal so that she can have MV3. And when that gets defeated yet again, then what?


Another cave-in to the Brexiters and agreeing to what she called "reckless" only a week ago.

She's finished. There's pretty much open warfare already in her cabinet and this will make it even worse.
The EU won't buy this nonsense and Barnier has hinted the extension would need a GE or a second referendum.
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The Countdown begins on 10:19 - Mar 20 with 603 viewsWarwickHunt

The Countdown begins on 10:18 - Mar 20 by Highjack

It's more like playing hide and seek with an ostrich.

Idiot argument: Blair is a great man and everybody should stop being beastly to him.

Rational person: He murdered, injured and displaced millions and destabilised an entire region and made millions of pounds of personal wealth in the process all for his own ego because he was in thrall to the President of the United States.

Idiot argument: Yes but the Tories probably would have done it if he hadn't

Rational person: But they didn't

Idiot: But they probably would have

Rational person: But they didn't

Idiot: But minimum wage

Rational Person: Millions dead.


Is this the rational person who still thinks it was May's plan all along to remain in the EU?
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The Countdown begins on 10:21 - Mar 20 with 607 viewsJango

The Countdown begins on 09:58 - Mar 20 by sherpajacob

It's like playing chess with a rooster.

Brexiteer argument: Blair was wrong about Iraq, therefore he is wrong about Brexit.

Remainer: But IDS was all in favour of invading Iraq, is he wrong about Brexit too?

Brexiteer: But Blair wanted to join the Euro.

Remainer: Blair and Brown secured an opt out of the Euro, when all the other major European economies joined it.

Brexiteer : Bananas, Passports, parliamentary sovereignty (no, not that parliamentary sovereignty)


Blair was prime minister, he lied about Iraq and is responsible for those deaths. Just because he’s now on the remain side you are finding excuses for him which I find alarming. He’s scum. The fact he was so dishonest about Iraq and was completely wrong on his initial predictions about the Euro means his word is no better than anyone else’s. He’s a fraud.

Why do your lot think it ok to blame everything Brexit on Cameron because of his handling of it all but feel it’s ok to pardon Blair? Jokes
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The Countdown begins on 10:21 - Mar 20 with 606 viewsHighjack

The Countdown begins on 10:19 - Mar 20 by WarwickHunt

Is this the rational person who still thinks it was May's plan all along to remain in the EU?


Well we're still in the EU and we don't appear to be leaving any time soon do we?

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The Countdown begins on 10:25 - Mar 20 with 593 viewsWarwickHunt

The Countdown begins on 10:21 - Mar 20 by Highjack

Well we're still in the EU and we don't appear to be leaving any time soon do we?


I'll take that as a yes.
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The Countdown begins on 10:26 - Mar 20 with 596 viewsJoe_bradshaw

The Countdown begins on 10:21 - Mar 20 by Highjack

Well we're still in the EU and we don't appear to be leaving any time soon do we?


PIKey will be along in a moment to say 9 days and SURIALMFAOYFLSRB.

Or something.

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The Countdown begins on 10:31 - Mar 20 with 586 viewsLeonWasGod

The Countdown begins on 10:21 - Mar 20 by Jango

Blair was prime minister, he lied about Iraq and is responsible for those deaths. Just because he’s now on the remain side you are finding excuses for him which I find alarming. He’s scum. The fact he was so dishonest about Iraq and was completely wrong on his initial predictions about the Euro means his word is no better than anyone else’s. He’s a fraud.

Why do your lot think it ok to blame everything Brexit on Cameron because of his handling of it all but feel it’s ok to pardon Blair? Jokes


Nobody's pardoning Blair for his actions around Iraq. The bloke's a turd. For some reason you seem to be going down a rabbit warren full of strawmen.
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The Countdown begins on 10:32 - Mar 20 with 585 viewsHighjack

The Countdown begins on 10:25 - Mar 20 by WarwickHunt

I'll take that as a yes.


She and the EU have deliberately cooked up a unamendable 'deal' that simulates staying in the EU forever which nobody will accept knowing that leaving without a deal will never be allowed, therefore the only likely option now being remain.

That's a perfectly rational viewpoint based on the evidence before our very eyes.

No deal won't happen. The deal won't happen. The deal can't be changed.
What other likelihood is there?

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The Countdown begins on 10:35 - Mar 20 with 574 viewssherpajacob

The Countdown begins on 10:19 - Mar 20 by WarwickHunt

Is this the rational person who still thinks it was May's plan all along to remain in the EU?


May has one plan and one plan only.

To stay PM for as long as possible.

She doesn't care about Remain or Leave, She backed remain initially because she thought remain would win, then switched sides when leave won. She'll switch back again if she thinks it'll keep her PM longer.

She doesn't care about burning injustices, the rule of law, parliamentary sovereignty, I don't think she even cares about the Tory party. She'll happily destroy the party to stay PM a few days /weeks longer.

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The Countdown begins on 10:42 - Mar 20 with 551 viewsjohnlangy

The referendum was won by leave 52% against 48%. The first meaningful vote was defeated by about 69% to 32% and the second, with some minor changes, was defeated by about 62% to 38%. She then tried to put exactly the same deal with no changes back for a third vote which John Bercow said no to.

Now, according to Damien Green on Newsnight last night, the 'plan' (the reason for requesting the Article 50 extension) is to put the same deal to the Commons again. He mentioned nothing about any cross party discussions re what kind of deal may gain a majority but did refer to amendments which may get the DUP on board which would also, maybe, persuade the ERG to back the deal.

So, he's in effect said the Government are going to do nothing. Literally. They are simply going to expect/hope that the EU cave in and agree to changes to the agreement. And they, the EU, have said so many times that there'll be no more changes.

Theresa May has to be the worst Prime Minister in history.
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The Countdown begins on 10:45 - Mar 20 with 549 viewsBatterseajack

The Countdown begins on 10:42 - Mar 20 by johnlangy

The referendum was won by leave 52% against 48%. The first meaningful vote was defeated by about 69% to 32% and the second, with some minor changes, was defeated by about 62% to 38%. She then tried to put exactly the same deal with no changes back for a third vote which John Bercow said no to.

Now, according to Damien Green on Newsnight last night, the 'plan' (the reason for requesting the Article 50 extension) is to put the same deal to the Commons again. He mentioned nothing about any cross party discussions re what kind of deal may gain a majority but did refer to amendments which may get the DUP on board which would also, maybe, persuade the ERG to back the deal.

So, he's in effect said the Government are going to do nothing. Literally. They are simply going to expect/hope that the EU cave in and agree to changes to the agreement. And they, the EU, have said so many times that there'll be no more changes.

Theresa May has to be the worst Prime Minister in history.


I wouldn't be surprised if the short extension gets turned down. Especially if she can't give a reason better than the one you've outlined. This will then force her to apply for a longer extension on the basis that its for a GE or a second vote.
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The Countdown begins on 10:46 - Mar 20 with 548 viewsoh_tommy_tommy

Andrea Leadsom touring around Radio & TV stations this morning, explaining how the brexitshambles isn't the Tory’s fault.
Apparently its Parliament ,The EU ,Jeremy Corbyn , Bercow and people who voted for it.

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The Countdown begins on 10:47 - Mar 20 with 547 viewsBatterseajack

David Davis had the negotiations sussed well in advanced of the negotiations even starting. According to him, we had a winning chess board. Where did it go wrong?

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The Countdown begins on 10:49 - Mar 20 with 546 viewsBatterseajack

The Countdown begins on 10:18 - Mar 20 by Highjack

It's more like playing hide and seek with an ostrich.

Idiot argument: Blair is a great man and everybody should stop being beastly to him.

Rational person: He murdered, injured and displaced millions and destabilised an entire region and made millions of pounds of personal wealth in the process all for his own ego because he was in thrall to the President of the United States.

Idiot argument: Yes but the Tories probably would have done it if he hadn't

Rational person: But they didn't

Idiot: But they probably would have

Rational person: But they didn't

Idiot: But minimum wage

Rational Person: Millions dead.


The Tories at the time were criticizing Labour for not starting to the war sooner. So to suggest the same outcome wouldn't have happened with IDS or Michael Howard is disingenuous at best.

Having also been wrong on Iraq, what make you think IDS and Michael Howard are right about no deal brexit?
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The Countdown begins on 10:51 - Mar 20 with 545 viewsBatterseajack

The Countdown begins on 10:46 - Mar 20 by oh_tommy_tommy

Andrea Leadsom touring around Radio & TV stations this morning, explaining how the brexitshambles isn't the Tory’s fault.
Apparently its Parliament ,The EU ,Jeremy Corbyn , Bercow and people who voted for it.


These Brexit cheerleaders have no shame
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The Countdown begins on 10:57 - Mar 20 with 532 viewswestwalesed

The Countdown begins on 05:12 - Mar 20 by Kilkennyjack

Just a reminder of some facts from Twitter ....


The team charged with negotiating Brexit:

Boris Johnson, Foreign Secretary
David Davis, Brexit Secretary
Liam Fox, International Trade Secretary

Each of them pro-Brexit campaign leaders

They screwed it up, because they promised things that couldn’t be delivered

These 3 all have pretty serious questions to answer, and yet still they take no responsibility. Just like that Farage, you know - the walker bloke.


And the fact you have omitted Olly Robbins says it all.

It is clearly that OR and TM were running the negotiations with the Brexit Secretary role purely as a front man. Why do you think Davis and Raab resigned? Have you seen Davis' comments since?

What about the fact that around a month ago, OR was overheard stating that the "plan" was to present Parliament with an end game choice of TM's deal or a long delay to Brexit which is exactly where we have got to. Coincidence?

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The Countdown begins on 11:13 - Mar 20 with 516 viewssherpajacob

The Countdown begins on 10:47 - Mar 20 by Batterseajack

David Davis had the negotiations sussed well in advanced of the negotiations even starting. According to him, we had a winning chess board. Where did it go wrong?



The political declaration part of May's deal specifies no tariffs between the UK and EU.

Dai twice, voted against it in January then voted for it in March.

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The Countdown begins on 11:17 - Mar 20 with 503 viewsWarwickHunt

The Countdown begins on 10:32 - Mar 20 by Highjack

She and the EU have deliberately cooked up a unamendable 'deal' that simulates staying in the EU forever which nobody will accept knowing that leaving without a deal will never be allowed, therefore the only likely option now being remain.

That's a perfectly rational viewpoint based on the evidence before our very eyes.

No deal won't happen. The deal won't happen. The deal can't be changed.
What other likelihood is there?


Bonkers mental.
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The Countdown begins on 11:20 - Mar 20 with 495 viewsWarwickHunt

The Countdown begins on 10:47 - Mar 20 by Batterseajack

David Davis had the negotiations sussed well in advanced of the negotiations even starting. According to him, we had a winning chess board. Where did it go wrong?



Chess? The notoriously dim Davis would struggle with Ludo.
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The Countdown begins on 11:26 - Mar 20 with 487 viewspikeypaul



Anti democracy remoaners who will have to take the fact that they do not believe in democracy to their graves and can never debate politics again or look anyone in the eye again when doing so. πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚

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The Countdown begins on 11:27 - Mar 20 with 485 viewsAce_Jack

The Brexiteers have nothing apart from conjecture and conspiracy. That's why this thread has diverted onto Blair and civil servants.

At no point has any brexiteer taken any responsibility for the last 2 and a half years of absolute sh*tshow chaos. Its just deflection, blame and run away like brave brave sir Robin.

Nauseating really.
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The Countdown begins on 11:44 - Mar 20 with 466 viewsBatterseajack

The Countdown begins on 11:27 - Mar 20 by Ace_Jack

The Brexiteers have nothing apart from conjecture and conspiracy. That's why this thread has diverted onto Blair and civil servants.

At no point has any brexiteer taken any responsibility for the last 2 and a half years of absolute sh*tshow chaos. Its just deflection, blame and run away like brave brave sir Robin.

Nauseating really.


Its embarrassing what this mess has become of our Country. This is up there with the Suez Crisis in terms of national humiliation and will have a lasting impact which ever way it goes from here.
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The Countdown begins on 11:49 - Mar 20 with 455 viewsLohengrin

The Countdown begins on 11:27 - Mar 20 by Ace_Jack

The Brexiteers have nothing apart from conjecture and conspiracy. That's why this thread has diverted onto Blair and civil servants.

At no point has any brexiteer taken any responsibility for the last 2 and a half years of absolute sh*tshow chaos. Its just deflection, blame and run away like brave brave sir Robin.

Nauseating really.


What have Welsh Labour had to say about manufacturing plants like, say, The Metal Box in Neath moving production to one of the eastern accession countries where wages are less than half aside from airy nonsense about the EU funding two new roundabouts in Blaenau Gwent? I’ll go back to the point I made a few pages ago about the Brexit vote being an outpouring of dissatisfaction with things as they are.

What do you think happens next? If folk have been left without a pot to piss in through no fault of their own, folk who are freighted with the same obligations but have now been deprived of the means to meet them and are called β€˜stupid’ for daring to imagine that the way to address their grievances was through the ballot box?

An idea isn't responsible for those who believe in it.

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