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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK 23:28 - Nov 10 with 1036069 viewspikeypaul



And like a typical anti democracy remoaner he decided the will of the people should be ignored the minute the democratic result was in total fecking hypocrite 😂😂😂😂😂😂

Despite it being voted in to law by the commons the spineless two faced remoaner MPs have totally abandoned any morals and decided to ignore the will of the British people.

It will be remembered and no election or referendum will ever be the same again in this country.

The one thing that will come is a massive surge in the popularity of UKIP or a similar party in the future who stand for the 52%.

Happy Days.

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Poll: Where wil Judas be sitting when we play Millwall?

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 06:21 - Apr 17 with 942 viewsGlyn1

OK, perhaps its actually happened but if it hasn't, perhaps someone could create a Poll that is actually valuable. If it's been done, I apologise for not seeing it,

May's deal. End to free movement of people, take back the Common Fisheries Policy, stay in the EU Court for the next 2 year.

Something else.

Leave with a No Deal: trash the Welsh economy. And eat US sub-standard chicken, (Perhaps I'm biased, could you tell? )

Has there been a poll on this?

Poll: Who should be our next manager? Please name them.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 10:01 - Apr 17 with 868 viewsAce_Jack

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 06:03 - Apr 17 by wobbly

Er, how do you think he can implement his whole tonne of socialist policies without faciliating Brexit? Much of what he would like to do is contrary to the fundamental freedoms of the Single Market that we don't talk about because everyone focuses on goods and people.

Faciliating Brexit actually allows him to do what he wants.


yeah sure.

Which proposed Labour policies are currently impossible for us to implement on the basis of us being members of the EU?
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 10:08 - Apr 17 with 864 viewsHighjack

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 10:01 - Apr 17 by Ace_Jack

yeah sure.

Which proposed Labour policies are currently impossible for us to implement on the basis of us being members of the EU?


Brexit

The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
Poll: The official planetswans European election poll. Your vote goes to?

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 10:10 - Apr 17 with 863 viewsAce_Jack

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 10:08 - Apr 17 by Highjack

Brexit


touche lol
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 10:24 - Apr 17 with 844 viewsHighjack

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 10:10 - Apr 17 by Ace_Jack

touche lol



The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
Poll: The official planetswans European election poll. Your vote goes to?

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 10:25 - Apr 17 with 839 viewsAce_Jack

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 10:24 - Apr 17 by Highjack



hot
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 10:32 - Apr 17 with 837 viewsHighjack

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 10:25 - Apr 17 by Ace_Jack

hot


Yes he is.

The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
Poll: The official planetswans European election poll. Your vote goes to?

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 10:55 - Apr 17 with 822 viewsVincent_Vega

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 10:24 - Apr 17 by Highjack



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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 11:18 - Apr 17 with 813 viewswobbly

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 10:01 - Apr 17 by Ace_Jack

yeah sure.

Which proposed Labour policies are currently impossible for us to implement on the basis of us being members of the EU?


Impossible is, well, impossible to conclude. If EU law was so clear, we wouldn’t need so many lawyers.

But based on fundamental principles of the single market, the inclusive ownership fund for companies of over 250 employees could trip over free movement of capital principles and the sovereign land bank looks ripe for challenge. Nationalisation of water, energy, rail and even the Royal Mail is tricky under free movement of goods and services principles, as well as rules on competition and state aid. Yes, other countries have them state owned, but it’s a different question to bring them back from private ownership. Excessive pay levies in some industries could also trigger unfair practices to deliver harmonisation of trade in goods and, more likely, services.

That’s before even considering fundamental, philosophical differences with “the EU” on areas like state funded social housing, workers rights, common defence policy, NATO. Not everything is impossible, to use your phrase, but it will definitely be harder and longer to implement inside the EU compared to out of it and he will definitely take some losses on the above once claims against Government proposals reaches the ECJ.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 12:58 - Apr 17 with 774 viewsoh_tommy_tommy

Oh dear dear



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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 14:14 - Apr 17 with 744 viewsHighjack

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 12:58 - Apr 17 by oh_tommy_tommy

Oh dear dear




I’d be amazed if the greens and the libs get as high as that.

The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
Poll: The official planetswans European election poll. Your vote goes to?

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 14:21 - Apr 17 with 741 viewsAce_Jack

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 12:58 - Apr 17 by oh_tommy_tommy

Oh dear dear




what on earth could be fracturing the remain vote I wonder
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 14:23 - Apr 17 with 732 viewsLohengrin

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 14:21 - Apr 17 by Ace_Jack

what on earth could be fracturing the remain vote I wonder


Because, rather like the Leave cohort, they are incapable of so much as agreeing on the colour of an orange.

I’d love to pin it on Corbyn but his voice has been amongst the most muted in Babel.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 14:32 - Apr 17 with 719 viewslonglostjack

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 11:18 - Apr 17 by wobbly

Impossible is, well, impossible to conclude. If EU law was so clear, we wouldn’t need so many lawyers.

But based on fundamental principles of the single market, the inclusive ownership fund for companies of over 250 employees could trip over free movement of capital principles and the sovereign land bank looks ripe for challenge. Nationalisation of water, energy, rail and even the Royal Mail is tricky under free movement of goods and services principles, as well as rules on competition and state aid. Yes, other countries have them state owned, but it’s a different question to bring them back from private ownership. Excessive pay levies in some industries could also trigger unfair practices to deliver harmonisation of trade in goods and, more likely, services.

That’s before even considering fundamental, philosophical differences with “the EU” on areas like state funded social housing, workers rights, common defence policy, NATO. Not everything is impossible, to use your phrase, but it will definitely be harder and longer to implement inside the EU compared to out of it and he will definitely take some losses on the above once claims against Government proposals reaches the ECJ.


The return of electricity grids to public ownership in Hamburg actually made use of EU regional grants it seems. The steel industry in Germany also receives indirect subsidies as they pay a lower tax rate for energy as a heavy user. Where there’s a will there’s a way.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 14:35 - Apr 17 with 712 viewsHighjack

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 14:21 - Apr 17 by Ace_Jack

what on earth could be fracturing the remain vote I wonder


Apathy?

The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 14:40 - Apr 17 with 696 viewsBatterseajack

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 14:21 - Apr 17 by Ace_Jack

what on earth could be fracturing the remain vote I wonder


It will be interesting to see who Labour and the Tories put up as MEPs and whats their personal stance on Brexit. HAve they ever fielded a eurosceptic in the past? I don't think they have.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 14:41 - Apr 17 with 693 viewsHighjack

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 14:40 - Apr 17 by Batterseajack

It will be interesting to see who Labour and the Tories put up as MEPs and whats their personal stance on Brexit. HAve they ever fielded a eurosceptic in the past? I don't think they have.


Daniel Hannan is Tory isn’t he?

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 14:42 - Apr 17 with 692 viewsLohengrin

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 14:40 - Apr 17 by Batterseajack

It will be interesting to see who Labour and the Tories put up as MEPs and whats their personal stance on Brexit. HAve they ever fielded a eurosceptic in the past? I don't think they have.


Both of them must have I’d have thought? Sceptical rather than hostile.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 14:44 - Apr 17 with 683 viewsLohengrin

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 14:41 - Apr 17 by Highjack

Daniel Hannan is Tory isn’t he?


There’s no doubting that.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 14:50 - Apr 17 with 675 viewswobbly

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 14:32 - Apr 17 by longlostjack

The return of electricity grids to public ownership in Hamburg actually made use of EU regional grants it seems. The steel industry in Germany also receives indirect subsidies as they pay a lower tax rate for energy as a heavy user. Where there’s a will there’s a way.


Yes, the Hamburg one is interesting, although this was very much the last mile and the sellers didn’t seem all that reluctant to sell. Agree though that this is not “impossible”.

But try telling Macron you plan to compulsorily purchase the UK energy assets of EDF (100% owned by the French Government) and the chances of him not referring it to the Commission (and the Commission siding with the UK over France) looks pretty slim to me.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 15:03 - Apr 17 with 659 viewsBatterseajack

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 14:41 - Apr 17 by Highjack

Daniel Hannan is Tory isn’t he?


Your right, and looking into it now, there's a few eurosceptic Tory MEPs.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 15:13 - Apr 17 with 647 viewsoh_tommy_tommy

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 14:21 - Apr 17 by Ace_Jack

what on earth could be fracturing the remain vote I wonder


You need to get out there amongst the living
There’s a lot of unhappy people about and I mean a lot

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 15:30 - Apr 17 with 636 viewslondonlisa2001

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 14:50 - Apr 17 by wobbly

Yes, the Hamburg one is interesting, although this was very much the last mile and the sellers didn’t seem all that reluctant to sell. Agree though that this is not “impossible”.

But try telling Macron you plan to compulsorily purchase the UK energy assets of EDF (100% owned by the French Government) and the chances of him not referring it to the Commission (and the Commission siding with the UK over France) looks pretty slim to me.


Network Rail and RBS have both been nationalised in effect. Network Rail is now classified as part of the UK debt figure.

The only issue that being a member of the EU beings is that train operators and track / infrastructure need to be separately managed (can be the same ownership).

Also there has to be ability for a private company to purchase spare line capacity. So you can’t have a complete, unified monopoly.
The new rules from the EU also possibly mean that the state may have to compete with private providers on a franchise by franchise basis.

In general, rules from the EU on state ownership are nowhere near as strict as some seem to believe (not relating this to you wobbly). Most commentators believe that Corbyn’s plans would be fine under EU rules as they relate to utilities and the railways. What the EU tries to prevent is a state monopoly that is absent from any competition and therefore can behave unreasonably to customers.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 15:41 - Apr 17 with 625 viewslondonlisa2001

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 15:13 - Apr 17 by oh_tommy_tommy

You need to get out there amongst the living
There’s a lot of unhappy people about and I mean a lot


Yes, quite a lot are unhappy that Labour are still sitting on the fence.

I’m surprised that the Brexit / UKIP % isn’t higher. Assuming the majority of ardent brexiteers will now vote for one of those in the EU elections (the general election would be different, but the EU elections are a single issue matter at this point), for them to be getting a combined % of 34% isn’t very high.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 15:53 - Apr 17 with 612 viewsLohengrin

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 15:41 - Apr 17 by londonlisa2001

Yes, quite a lot are unhappy that Labour are still sitting on the fence.

I’m surprised that the Brexit / UKIP % isn’t higher. Assuming the majority of ardent brexiteers will now vote for one of those in the EU elections (the general election would be different, but the EU elections are a single issue matter at this point), for them to be getting a combined % of 34% isn’t very high.


As always it depends on where the poll is conducted and the demographic questioned.

This last three years ought to have left you with about as much residual faith in the accuracy of polls as you retain in the Easter Bunny, mun.

An idea isn't responsible for those who believe in it.

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