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And like a typical anti democracy remoaner he decided the will of the people should be ignored the minute the democratic result was in total fecking hypocrite 馃槀馃槀馃槀馃槀馃槀馃槀

Despite it being voted in to law by the commons the spineless two faced remoaner MPs have totally abandoned any morals and decided to ignore the will of the British people.

It will be remembered and no election or referendum will ever be the same again in this country.

The one thing that will come is a massive surge in the popularity of UKIP or a similar party in the future who stand for the 52%.

Happy Days.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 12:04 - May 29 with 683 viewssg1912

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 11:59 - May 29 by WarwickHunt

Straws, clutching at.


It鈥檚 been 3 years, why summon him to court in the run up to a leadership contest?
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 12:04 - May 29 with 681 viewsWarwickHunt

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 12:02 - May 29 by bluey_the_blue

Not really.

Gove was also involved in Leave campaign making those claims, as were other MPs.

Only Boris taken to court. Interesting that, eh?

If the "Brexit Justice" group want courts to act on lies, then act on all lies and those involved, not on a selective basis.

You know full well this action is purely politically motivated, nothing more, nothing less.


Of course it is. Boris is the hot favourite - go figure...
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 12:06 - May 29 with 671 viewsWarwickHunt

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 12:04 - May 29 by sg1912

It鈥檚 been 3 years, why summon him to court in the run up to a leadership contest?


Because he鈥檚 a lying c没nt and favourite to be the next PM?

Just a guess like.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 12:06 - May 29 with 671 viewsbluey_the_blue

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 12:04 - May 29 by WarwickHunt

Of course it is. Boris is the hot favourite - go figure...


Bingo.

I don't want BoJo as PM, don't think he'd get it. This hatchet job legal action will gain BoJo more support - "Remain scum / establishment abusing legal system to stop me..." a la Trump.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 12:08 - May 29 with 662 viewssg1912

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 12:06 - May 29 by WarwickHunt

Because he鈥檚 a lying c没nt and favourite to be the next PM?

Just a guess like.


Theresa May lied 103 times in 2 years, will she be summoned to court.

.. even if Boris did lie (which is contentious), what are they hoping to achieve besides disrupting his leadership campaign.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 12:35 - May 29 with 639 viewsWarwickHunt

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 12:08 - May 29 by sg1912

Theresa May lied 103 times in 2 years, will she be summoned to court.

.. even if Boris did lie (which is contentious), what are they hoping to achieve besides disrupting his leadership campaign.


1.No
2.He did
3. F没ck all.

Hope this helps, Pikey.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 12:36 - May 29 with 639 viewsJACKMANANDBOY

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 11:47 - May 29 by bluey_the_blue

Interesting the muppet bringing that case didn't launch one against Osbourne for his claim of immediate recession, emergency budget required upon Leave winning.

It's as if it's a politically motivated stunt. Of course, the money was "crowdfunded" so no risk to the guy bringing the case. I'm sure all donations were indeed kosher.


Osbourne could be next, there are plenty of wealthy people in the Tory party annoyed that we have not left yet.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 12:37 - May 29 with 637 viewssg1912

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 12:35 - May 29 by WarwickHunt

1.No
2.He did
3. F没ck all.

Hope this helps, Pikey.


Not really, gypo.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 12:39 - May 29 with 633 viewsWarwickHunt

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 12:37 - May 29 by sg1912

Not really, gypo.


F没ck me - Oscar Wilde鈥檚 had a sherry.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 13:41 - May 29 with 599 viewswaynekerr55

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 12:39 - May 29 by WarwickHunt

F没ck me - Oscar Wilde鈥檚 had a sherry.



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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 16:03 - May 29 with 535 viewssherpajacob

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 11:24 - May 29 by waynekerr55

https://news.sky.com/story/boris-johnson-to-face-court-over-alleged-eu-referendu


Can't see this lasting very long.

Call first witness. Senior treasury official in charge of EU payments.

Q. Do we send the EU 拢350m a week.?
A. No.

Guilty, take him away.
[Post edited 29 May 16:03]

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 16:24 - May 29 with 512 viewssg1912

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 16:03 - May 29 by sherpajacob

Can't see this lasting very long.

Call first witness. Senior treasury official in charge of EU payments.

Q. Do we send the EU 拢350m a week.?
A. No.

Guilty, take him away.
[Post edited 29 May 16:03]


We do send 拢350 million a week, granted that doesn鈥檛 take into account the rebate..
But it鈥檚 still roughly 拢250 million with the rebate included.

I鈥檓 struggling to see what this court case is hoping to achieve.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 16:39 - May 29 with 492 viewsbluey_the_blue

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 16:03 - May 29 by sherpajacob

Can't see this lasting very long.

Call first witness. Senior treasury official in charge of EU payments.

Q. Do we send the EU 拢350m a week.?
A. No.

Guilty, take him away.
[Post edited 29 May 16:03]


Gisela Stuart. Labour MP, co-chair of Leave campaign. " Every week we send 拢350m to Brussels."

"I'd rather that we control how to spend that money, and if I had that control I would spend it on the NHS."

Not subject to a private prosecution from an "activist" whose "Brexit Justice" company has net assets of 拢81 and for his own PSC has failed to file his accounts on time, a criminal offence.

The guy bringing this politically motivated case is a chancer, a Remainer. May be wrong, but I thought ONS showed the 350m figure is before the rebate is applied so it's a case of sophistry not lying?
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 17:37 - May 29 with 463 viewslondonlisa2001

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 16:24 - May 29 by sg1912

We do send 拢350 million a week, granted that doesn鈥檛 take into account the rebate..
But it鈥檚 still roughly 拢250 million with the rebate included.

I鈥檓 struggling to see what this court case is hoping to achieve.


We don鈥檛.

The rebate is applied before not after.

And the ONS stated it was not true and Johnson continued to repeat it after that.

I鈥檓 assuming it鈥檚 hoping to stop him becoming PM. But that鈥檚 just a guess...
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 17:48 - May 29 with 448 viewssherpajacob

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 16:39 - May 29 by bluey_the_blue

Gisela Stuart. Labour MP, co-chair of Leave campaign. " Every week we send 拢350m to Brussels."

"I'd rather that we control how to spend that money, and if I had that control I would spend it on the NHS."

Not subject to a private prosecution from an "activist" whose "Brexit Justice" company has net assets of 拢81 and for his own PSC has failed to file his accounts on time, a criminal offence.

The guy bringing this politically motivated case is a chancer, a Remainer. May be wrong, but I thought ONS showed the 350m figure is before the rebate is applied so it's a case of sophistry not lying?


Here's the thing Bluey, Stuart was lying as well, vote leave lied.

That doesn't make Johnson's lies ok.

I know you think it does, but that's because you're a Tory.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 18:09 - May 29 with 431 viewsbluey_the_blue

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 17:48 - May 29 by sherpajacob

Here's the thing Bluey, Stuart was lying as well, vote leave lied.

That doesn't make Johnson's lies ok.

I know you think it does, but that's because you're a Tory.


You missed the point on several levels.

BBC news just now talking about why only Johnson was chase - apparently the claim was that it was difficult to get evidence against others! A quick google search finds evidence of Gove, Stuart et al.

The person who brought this private prosecution ( without paying a penny himself, funnily enough ) deleted old fundraiser, social media entries where the "Brexit Justice" campaign was aimed at legally overturning the result of the original referendum. The approach is he wants honestly in MPs, wants to go after liars.

Noble enough, sure, but you don't get to be selective. Others in Leave lied. Those in Remain camp also lied.

This muppet behind the case would be better off realising the trouble he's in for filing his company accounts late...
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 18:28 - May 29 with 414 viewssherpajacob

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 18:09 - May 29 by bluey_the_blue

You missed the point on several levels.

BBC news just now talking about why only Johnson was chase - apparently the claim was that it was difficult to get evidence against others! A quick google search finds evidence of Gove, Stuart et al.

The person who brought this private prosecution ( without paying a penny himself, funnily enough ) deleted old fundraiser, social media entries where the "Brexit Justice" campaign was aimed at legally overturning the result of the original referendum. The approach is he wants honestly in MPs, wants to go after liars.

Noble enough, sure, but you don't get to be selective. Others in Leave lied. Those in Remain camp also lied.

This muppet behind the case would be better off realising the trouble he's in for filing his company accounts late...


The "remain also lied" argument is morally and legally bankrupt, no surprise to see you using it.

A typical Tory strategy, is also to attack the messenger.

May's answer whenever she was frequently having to defend the indefensible was "Jeremy Corbyn"

It's a simple question being asked, is Johnson a liar?
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 18:39 - May 29 with 397 viewsbluey_the_blue

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 18:28 - May 29 by sherpajacob

The "remain also lied" argument is morally and legally bankrupt, no surprise to see you using it.

A typical Tory strategy, is also to attack the messenger.

May's answer whenever she was frequently having to defend the indefensible was "Jeremy Corbyn"

It's a simple question being asked, is Johnson a liar?
[Post edited 29 May 18:30]


Remain having lied is neither legally nor morally bankrupt when the attempted prosecution is aimed bringing MPs who "lied" to account.

Attack the messenger? Why did the messenger remove the original crowdfunder and social media re reversing Brexit result?

The not so simple answer is the 350m figure depends if you include rebate or not. That's why it's sophistry.
[Post edited 29 May 18:44]
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 18:47 - May 29 with 379 viewslondonlisa2001

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 18:39 - May 29 by bluey_the_blue

Remain having lied is neither legally nor morally bankrupt when the attempted prosecution is aimed bringing MPs who "lied" to account.

Attack the messenger? Why did the messenger remove the original crowdfunder and social media re reversing Brexit result?

The not so simple answer is the 350m figure depends if you include rebate or not. That's why it's sophistry.
[Post edited 29 May 18:44]


No it鈥檚 nit. The rebate is applied before so the 拢350m doesn鈥檛 exist. It鈥檚 a lie. He was told it was a lie by the ONS and continued to use it.

On a wider note, we鈥檝e gone from sunlit uplands to 鈥榦ther people on the leave campaign lied as well鈥 and 鈥榳hat鈥檚 wrong with using food we won鈥檛 be able to export because of huge tariffs in the NHS鈥.

Oh, and complaining about someone filing accounts accounts late. Which will result in a fine from companies house along with the thousands of others that file late.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 18:39 - May 29 by bluey_the_blue

Remain having lied is neither legally nor morally bankrupt when the attempted prosecution is aimed bringing MPs who "lied" to account.

Attack the messenger? Why did the messenger remove the original crowdfunder and social media re reversing Brexit result?

The not so simple answer is the 350m figure depends if you include rebate or not. That's why it's sophistry.
[Post edited 29 May 18:44]


" My defence your honour is that although I have committed a crime and I know I have committed a crime, other people have occasionally in the past got away with it through lack of evidence"

If you don't understand why it's legally and morally bankrupt, you are part of the problem.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 19:05 - May 29 with 359 viewsbluey_the_blue

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 18:47 - May 29 by londonlisa2001

No it鈥檚 nit. The rebate is applied before so the 拢350m doesn鈥檛 exist. It鈥檚 a lie. He was told it was a lie by the ONS and continued to use it.

On a wider note, we鈥檝e gone from sunlit uplands to 鈥榦ther people on the leave campaign lied as well鈥 and 鈥榳hat鈥檚 wrong with using food we won鈥檛 be able to export because of huge tariffs in the NHS鈥.

Oh, and complaining about someone filing accounts accounts late. Which will result in a fine from companies house along with the thousands of others that file late.


It's still a liability of 拢361m at the time. Again, it's sophistry that can be spun many ways.

BoJo was ONE of around 30 Vote Leave committee members who decided strategy. That means, assuming run democratically at least 15 others agreed with using the bus motto. Personally, the motto was crap - if it had been along he lines of "we send hundreds of millions to EU, let's use some to fund NHS" then the sentiment remains the same and the current argument never happens.

But anyway, BoJo wasn't on the board of Vote Leave. So, yes charismatic frontman but it's clear many others approved that figure - Gove and Stuart as chairs certainly repeated it.

So basically, why then is only BoJo being persued legally? It's nothing more than political motivated using the courts, a dangerous notion. The "prosecutor" turned "Brexit Justice" ( of which he's sole director ) from "overturning referendum result" to "making MPs accountable for lies". If he's genuine on the latter, then can't be selective in that morality. BoJo's evil due to using a gross figure rather than net? Osborne claimed a Leave win would lead to immediate recession, emergency budget required - both lies, so why is he not targetted? Why are Stuart and Gove not involved in this case when they both used the same figure as BoJo?

Stewart's comment re food in NHS... again, not the best idea in the world, not the worst either. Can't be worse than NHS slop badly cooked then overheated as taken across wards...

Agreed, he'll get a fine. This case however will raise the visibility of his companies. That could get interesting.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 19:10 - May 29 with 346 viewsbluey_the_blue

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 19:04 - May 29 by sherpajacob

" My defence your honour is that although I have committed a crime and I know I have committed a crime, other people have occasionally in the past got away with it through lack of evidence"

If you don't understand why it's legally and morally bankrupt, you are part of the problem.


Again, the gross amount was 拢361m. Net after rebate was lower. It's sophistry - if BoJo was convicted then based upon that, there would be 2 MPs left.

Now, explain to me why BoJo is the sole person being persued in this case and not members of Vote Leave who came up with the bus message, who agreed with the bus message and repeated the bus message?

"Your honour, the defendant clearly kicked the victim. Yes, others also gave the victim a kicking and we have plenty of evidence of them doing so but we're not interested in prosecuting them because we like them more than the defendant".

The case is legally and morally bankrupt due to the complainant / prosecutor having a clear biased agenda.

And no, I'm not a fan of BoJo. Think he'd be a crap PM.
[Post edited 29 May 19:12]
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 19:16 - May 29 with 337 viewslondonlisa2001

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 19:05 - May 29 by bluey_the_blue

It's still a liability of 拢361m at the time. Again, it's sophistry that can be spun many ways.

BoJo was ONE of around 30 Vote Leave committee members who decided strategy. That means, assuming run democratically at least 15 others agreed with using the bus motto. Personally, the motto was crap - if it had been along he lines of "we send hundreds of millions to EU, let's use some to fund NHS" then the sentiment remains the same and the current argument never happens.

But anyway, BoJo wasn't on the board of Vote Leave. So, yes charismatic frontman but it's clear many others approved that figure - Gove and Stuart as chairs certainly repeated it.

So basically, why then is only BoJo being persued legally? It's nothing more than political motivated using the courts, a dangerous notion. The "prosecutor" turned "Brexit Justice" ( of which he's sole director ) from "overturning referendum result" to "making MPs accountable for lies". If he's genuine on the latter, then can't be selective in that morality. BoJo's evil due to using a gross figure rather than net? Osborne claimed a Leave win would lead to immediate recession, emergency budget required - both lies, so why is he not targetted? Why are Stuart and Gove not involved in this case when they both used the same figure as BoJo?

Stewart's comment re food in NHS... again, not the best idea in the world, not the worst either. Can't be worse than NHS slop badly cooked then overheated as taken across wards...

Agreed, he'll get a fine. This case however will raise the visibility of his companies. That could get interesting.


No. It鈥檚 not.

It doesn鈥檛 work like that.

And some people get taken to court some don鈥檛. He is because he鈥檚 high profile. I agree though, they all lied.

It won鈥檛 get remotely interesting. Late filing is a fine. Full stop,
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 19:25 - May 29 with 328 viewsbluey_the_blue

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 19:16 - May 29 by londonlisa2001

No. It鈥檚 not.

It doesn鈥檛 work like that.

And some people get taken to court some don鈥檛. He is because he鈥檚 high profile. I agree though, they all lied.

It won鈥檛 get remotely interesting. Late filing is a fine. Full stop,


The case, if it goes ahead, is unlikely to lead to a conviction. It's a frivolous case at best.

By interesting, I mean now his company directorships are public domain, I'm sure some will take a look into things.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 19:28 - May 29 with 321 viewslondonlisa2001

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 19:25 - May 29 by bluey_the_blue

The case, if it goes ahead, is unlikely to lead to a conviction. It's a frivolous case at best.

By interesting, I mean now his company directorships are public domain, I'm sure some will take a look into things.


The ruling would not have been made if it was deemed frivolous at best.
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