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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK 23:28 - Nov 10 with 875562 viewspikeypaul



And like a typical anti democracy remoaner he decided the will of the people should be ignored the minute the democratic result was in total fecking hypocrite 😂😂😂😂😂😂

Despite it being voted in to law by the commons the spineless two faced remoaner MPs have totally abandoned any morals and decided to ignore the will of the British people.

It will be remembered and no election or referendum will ever be the same again in this country.

The one thing that will come is a massive surge in the popularity of UKIP or a similar party in the future who stand for the 52%.

Happy Days.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 14:23 - Jun 27 with 670 viewsWingstandwood

The U.K' population had apparently risen again last year and environmental charity Population Matters has warned the UK's figure is "unsustainable".

The rate of increase has stalled and thankfully (to the easily pleased?) the population only increased by another FOUR HUNDRED THOUSAND... Another 20 years of that hey? Anyone out there who doesn't find that frightening and thinks current immigration policy is common sense?
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 14:26 - Jun 27 with 662 viewsHighjack

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 14:23 - Jun 27 by Wingstandwood

The U.K' population had apparently risen again last year and environmental charity Population Matters has warned the UK's figure is "unsustainable".

The rate of increase has stalled and thankfully (to the easily pleased?) the population only increased by another FOUR HUNDRED THOUSAND... Another 20 years of that hey? Anyone out there who doesn't find that frightening and thinks current immigration policy is common sense?


More consumers is good for the economy and that’s all that matters.

The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 14:31 - Jun 27 with 658 viewslondonlisa2001

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 14:23 - Jun 27 by Wingstandwood

The U.K' population had apparently risen again last year and environmental charity Population Matters has warned the UK's figure is "unsustainable".

The rate of increase has stalled and thankfully (to the easily pleased?) the population only increased by another FOUR HUNDRED THOUSAND... Another 20 years of that hey? Anyone out there who doesn't find that frightening and thinks current immigration policy is common sense?


What has that to do with the EU?

If net immigration numbers were caused by the EU (and the net migration figure for 2018 is 283,000) and we didn’t want to take people but had no choice in the matter, we’d have no non EU immigration.

Non EU immigration is higher than EU immigration so it’s not the EU that’s the issue.

When we leave the EU, the numbers will just shift further to non EU immigrants.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 15:09 - Jun 27 with 629 viewsJango

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 14:31 - Jun 27 by londonlisa2001

What has that to do with the EU?

If net immigration numbers were caused by the EU (and the net migration figure for 2018 is 283,000) and we didn’t want to take people but had no choice in the matter, we’d have no non EU immigration.

Non EU immigration is higher than EU immigration so it’s not the EU that’s the issue.

When we leave the EU, the numbers will just shift further to non EU immigrants.


Before the referendum came about, non EU migrants and EU migrants figures were pretty even. Also, non Eu migrants tend to be skilled workers where EU migrants can just come as they please. Also those figures don’t take into account the amount of workers coming in from the EU on cheap short term contracts and then buggering off home again. That’s the main issue for thousand of contractors and tradesman across the country and there’s nothing that can be done about it while freedom of movement still exists.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 15:28 - Jun 27 with 622 viewslondonlisa2001

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 15:09 - Jun 27 by Jango

Before the referendum came about, non EU migrants and EU migrants figures were pretty even. Also, non Eu migrants tend to be skilled workers where EU migrants can just come as they please. Also those figures don’t take into account the amount of workers coming in from the EU on cheap short term contracts and then buggering off home again. That’s the main issue for thousand of contractors and tradesman across the country and there’s nothing that can be done about it while freedom of movement still exists.


EU migrants can’t come as they please according to the EU rules that we are able to implement, but often choose to ignore, as we want unskilled immigration.

Given we’ll still want it, it'll just come from elsewhere. Or do you think immigrants from elsewhere won’t come in once we have an agreement around freedom of movement with their countries in return for a free trade deal?
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 16:36 - Jun 27 with 584 viewsHighjack

The immigrants at the car wash in briton ferry did an absolutely shit job of cleaning my car.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 16:37 - Jun 27 with 580 viewslondonlisa2001

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 16:36 - Jun 27 by Highjack

The immigrants at the car wash in briton ferry did an absolutely shit job of cleaning my car.


Probably would do a better job if you didn’t have ‘Brexit is brilliant’ stickers on it?
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 16:39 - Jun 27 with 578 viewsHighjack

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 16:37 - Jun 27 by londonlisa2001

Probably would do a better job if you didn’t have ‘Brexit is brilliant’ stickers on it?


Heh. They can’t read English.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 16:41 - Jun 27 with 576 viewslondonlisa2001

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 16:39 - Jun 27 by Highjack

Heh. They can’t read English.


Only the bits they need to to claim all the benefits they’re scrounging according to some...
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 16:59 - Jun 27 with 559 viewsJango

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 15:28 - Jun 27 by londonlisa2001

EU migrants can’t come as they please according to the EU rules that we are able to implement, but often choose to ignore, as we want unskilled immigration.

Given we’ll still want it, it'll just come from elsewhere. Or do you think immigrants from elsewhere won’t come in once we have an agreement around freedom of movement with their countries in return for a free trade deal?


Do those EU rules you keep going on about stop EU workers coming over on short term contracts on low wages?
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 17:03 - Jun 27 with 553 viewsHighjack

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 16:41 - Jun 27 by londonlisa2001

Only the bits they need to to claim all the benefits they’re scrounging according to some...


They do work hard despite being useless. They’re there first thing in the morning and are there til late. Whether they get the living wage and paid holidays and all these famous EU workers rights is another thing.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 17:25 - Jun 27 with 535 viewslondonlisa2001

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 16:59 - Jun 27 by Jango

Do those EU rules you keep going on about stop EU workers coming over on short term contracts on low wages?


Well just as one example, there’s EU law on posted workers (EU nationals brought in on short term contracts) that the UK has chosen to only partially implement, so the workers can be paid minimum wage rather than any collective agreements that are in place.

So although EU rules don’t stop people coming over on short term contracts they do stop the payment of lower wages, or at least they would if we adopted them.

We don’t implement stuff that’s in place. That’s the whole point. Which is why they won’t suddenly stop importing people. Just from elsewhere.

To highlight this, I assume you realise that the government have already announced that even in a no deal Brexit, EU nationals can come and work here as long as it’s for less than three months? Longer than that and they’ll need a right to remain. That’s not the EU’s doing - we’re talking about a no deal. That’s this government’s policy because they want cheaper workers.

You’re blaming the wrong people.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 17:40 - Jun 27 with 526 viewsHighjack

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 17:25 - Jun 27 by londonlisa2001

Well just as one example, there’s EU law on posted workers (EU nationals brought in on short term contracts) that the UK has chosen to only partially implement, so the workers can be paid minimum wage rather than any collective agreements that are in place.

So although EU rules don’t stop people coming over on short term contracts they do stop the payment of lower wages, or at least they would if we adopted them.

We don’t implement stuff that’s in place. That’s the whole point. Which is why they won’t suddenly stop importing people. Just from elsewhere.

To highlight this, I assume you realise that the government have already announced that even in a no deal Brexit, EU nationals can come and work here as long as it’s for less than three months? Longer than that and they’ll need a right to remain. That’s not the EU’s doing - we’re talking about a no deal. That’s this government’s policy because they want cheaper workers.

You’re blaming the wrong people.


I hope whoever comes in post brexit will have extensive training and experience in car-washing.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 17:43 - Jun 27 with 524 viewsWingstandwood

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 17:03 - Jun 27 by Highjack

They do work hard despite being useless. They’re there first thing in the morning and are there til late. Whether they get the living wage and paid holidays and all these famous EU workers rights is another thing.


You should have seen the appalling conditions two Romanian dry liners had to endure whilst working as (gang master owner) subbies on Simons Construction at Parc FForestfach Boots. 18 hour days and on the first day with travel from England included it was a 20 hr shift.

The much heralded EU protection is a myth and bullsh1t for many, in fact the indigenous worker has seen his pay and conditions spiral to rock bottom because he is now forced to compete on the same level of what has entered from overseas. It's so shocking for the future generation(s). It's so shocking to think things have actually ended up like this.

The first time I ever experienced individuals work zero hour contracts, without time and a half overtime rate and zero holiday pay entitlement was under New Labour, Welsh Assembly Government and EU governance. I absolutely detest that f#cking song "Things can only get better"... Talk about insulting.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 18:32 - Jun 27 with 486 viewsLeonWasGod

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 17:25 - Jun 27 by londonlisa2001

Well just as one example, there’s EU law on posted workers (EU nationals brought in on short term contracts) that the UK has chosen to only partially implement, so the workers can be paid minimum wage rather than any collective agreements that are in place.

So although EU rules don’t stop people coming over on short term contracts they do stop the payment of lower wages, or at least they would if we adopted them.

We don’t implement stuff that’s in place. That’s the whole point. Which is why they won’t suddenly stop importing people. Just from elsewhere.

To highlight this, I assume you realise that the government have already announced that even in a no deal Brexit, EU nationals can come and work here as long as it’s for less than three months? Longer than that and they’ll need a right to remain. That’s not the EU’s doing - we’re talking about a no deal. That’s this government’s policy because they want cheaper workers.

You’re blaming the wrong people.


They are blaming the wrong people, but it’s not their fault. The media have been ramming anti-Immigrant and anti-EU rhetoric down their throats since before Boris Johnson was sacked for making up lies when he was a Brussels correspondent. Throw enough sh*t some is bound to stick.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 18:58 - Jun 27 with 451 viewsLeonWasGod

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 17:43 - Jun 27 by Wingstandwood

You should have seen the appalling conditions two Romanian dry liners had to endure whilst working as (gang master owner) subbies on Simons Construction at Parc FForestfach Boots. 18 hour days and on the first day with travel from England included it was a 20 hr shift.

The much heralded EU protection is a myth and bullsh1t for many, in fact the indigenous worker has seen his pay and conditions spiral to rock bottom because he is now forced to compete on the same level of what has entered from overseas. It's so shocking for the future generation(s). It's so shocking to think things have actually ended up like this.

The first time I ever experienced individuals work zero hour contracts, without time and a half overtime rate and zero holiday pay entitlement was under New Labour, Welsh Assembly Government and EU governance. I absolutely detest that f#cking song "Things can only get better"... Talk about insulting.


When I hear a story like that I want to blame the people that are trying to maximise profit for directors and shareholders by screwing as much as they can out of fairly powerless workers.

Yet you seem to see it as a failure of legislation, whilst simultaneously being against the EU and supporting a movement that wants to cut regulation further. I don’t understand.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 18:59 - Jun 27 with 450 viewsJango

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 17:25 - Jun 27 by londonlisa2001

Well just as one example, there’s EU law on posted workers (EU nationals brought in on short term contracts) that the UK has chosen to only partially implement, so the workers can be paid minimum wage rather than any collective agreements that are in place.

So although EU rules don’t stop people coming over on short term contracts they do stop the payment of lower wages, or at least they would if we adopted them.

We don’t implement stuff that’s in place. That’s the whole point. Which is why they won’t suddenly stop importing people. Just from elsewhere.

To highlight this, I assume you realise that the government have already announced that even in a no deal Brexit, EU nationals can come and work here as long as it’s for less than three months? Longer than that and they’ll need a right to remain. That’s not the EU’s doing - we’re talking about a no deal. That’s this government’s policy because they want cheaper workers.

You’re blaming the wrong people.


So does that law stop Eu workers coming over and taking tradesmans jobs on more than minimum wage?
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 19:05 - Jun 27 with 444 viewsJango

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 18:32 - Jun 27 by LeonWasGod

They are blaming the wrong people, but it’s not their fault. The media have been ramming anti-Immigrant and anti-EU rhetoric down their throats since before Boris Johnson was sacked for making up lies when he was a Brussels correspondent. Throw enough sh*t some is bound to stick.


We’re not blaming the wrong people. We’re not blaming people. We are blaming free movement and you obviously have no clue whatsoever about what’s going on across the country.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 19:17 - Jun 27 with 431 viewsLeonWasGod

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 19:05 - Jun 27 by Jango

We’re not blaming the wrong people. We’re not blaming people. We are blaming free movement and you obviously have no clue whatsoever about what’s going on across the country.


So you’re blaming the wrong people then. It’s illegal to pay below the minimum wage, and that includes tradesmen and agency workers. You should be blaming the consultants and contractors who are trying to buy work to win tenders.

The problem is the exploitation of the freedom of movement and companies breaking the law, not FOM itself.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 19:32 - Jun 27 with 413 viewsSymondsYatjack

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 11:47 - Jun 27 by WarwickHunt

Fûck me - our resident village idiot is still stuck on page 4 of Neuroscience For Dummies.

Surprised he got that far to be honest.


You should stick with the field you have expertises in.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 19:37 - Jun 27 with 406 viewsSymondsYatjack

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 16:39 - Jun 27 by Highjack

Heh. They can’t read English.


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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 20:02 - Jun 27 with 393 viewsJango

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 19:17 - Jun 27 by LeonWasGod

So you’re blaming the wrong people then. It’s illegal to pay below the minimum wage, and that includes tradesmen and agency workers. You should be blaming the consultants and contractors who are trying to buy work to win tenders.

The problem is the exploitation of the freedom of movement and companies breaking the law, not FOM itself.


Where have I mentioned minimum wage? Lisa brought that up.

As I said, you don’t have a clue.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 23:44 - Jun 27 with 329 viewsWarwickHunt

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 19:32 - Jun 27 by SymondsYatjack

You should stick with the field you have expertises in.
Entertaining boy bands........😂


“expertises”

Thicker than a pound of mince. 😂😂😂
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 07:14 - Jun 28 with 302 viewswaynekerr55

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 17:25 - Jun 27 by londonlisa2001

Well just as one example, there’s EU law on posted workers (EU nationals brought in on short term contracts) that the UK has chosen to only partially implement, so the workers can be paid minimum wage rather than any collective agreements that are in place.

So although EU rules don’t stop people coming over on short term contracts they do stop the payment of lower wages, or at least they would if we adopted them.

We don’t implement stuff that’s in place. That’s the whole point. Which is why they won’t suddenly stop importing people. Just from elsewhere.

To highlight this, I assume you realise that the government have already announced that even in a no deal Brexit, EU nationals can come and work here as long as it’s for less than three months? Longer than that and they’ll need a right to remain. That’s not the EU’s doing - we’re talking about a no deal. That’s this government’s policy because they want cheaper workers.

You’re blaming the wrong people.


Yes, our government loves to implement some batshít decisions and then blame it on the EU...

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 09:22 - Jun 28 with 262 viewswestwalesed

I see absolutely no problem - zero issue - with an fully independent UK being able to implement it's own immigration policies.

If it wants an open door so be it.
If it wants zero immigration so be it.
If it wants a points based system so be it.
If it wants to issue 1000 temporary visas for Potato pickers in Pembrokeshire, so be it.

Just what is the issue with CONTROL being in the hands of the UK Government, whatever colour???

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