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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK 23:28 - Nov 10 with 1222921 viewspikeypaul



And like a typical anti democracy remoaner he decided the will of the people should be ignored the minute the democratic result was in total fecking hypocrite 😂😂😂😂😂😂

Despite it being voted in to law by the commons the spineless two faced remoaner MPs have totally abandoned any morals and decided to ignore the will of the British people.

It will be remembered and no election or referendum will ever be the same again in this country.

The one thing that will come is a massive surge in the popularity of UKIP or a similar party in the future who stand for the 52%.

Happy Days.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 16:25 - Aug 16 with 885 viewsJango

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 14:09 - Aug 16 by wobbly

You don’t possibly think this is in any way a sensible idea do you?!


SIR - For the avoidance of doubt, I refer readers to the words of Kenneth Clarke in the International Currency Review, Vol. 23, No. 4, Autumn 1996: "I look forward to the day when the Westminster Parliament is just a Council Chamber in Europe."

Definitely the best candidate for uniting the country. 🤔
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 16:56 - Aug 16 with 855 viewssotonswan

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 15:42 - Aug 16 by londonlisa2001

Snigger.

The case was already rejected as unarguable. Ages ago.


As was Gina Millar's, before appeal and overturn.

Robin Tilbrook's Appeal is very much still live in the system.

Tracking information last updated 9th August 2019.

https://casetracker.justice.gov.uk/getDetail.do?case_id=20191534

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 17:13 - Aug 16 with 833 viewslondonlisa2001

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 16:56 - Aug 16 by sotonswan

As was Gina Millar's, before appeal and overturn.

Robin Tilbrook's Appeal is very much still live in the system.

Tracking information last updated 9th August 2019.

https://casetracker.justice.gov.uk/getDetail.do?case_id=20191534


So you think a case dismissed as unarguable, will now be, on appeal, not only be agreed as arguable but, in fact, correct by the prime minister? On his own? And you believe this because some QAnon nut job on the Internet has started a rumour saying so?

You realise there’s another rumour doing the rounds that the very same case will, in unanticipated consequences, result in a ruling that the decision to leave the EU is, in fact, unlawful. Equally bonkers.

Lol.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 18:24 - Aug 16 with 781 viewsWarwickHunt

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 15:28 - Aug 16 by sotonswan

Boris' people have been in touch with Robin Tilbrook. They have been informed that Boris can sign a Consent Order to not contest the judicial review. He can do this without consulting Parliament. There is no legal redress once issued. It cannot be contested. It is in effect as soon as Boris signs the Consent Order. So when/if he does then we officially left the EU on 29th March 2019.

Boris has a big red button, and his finger hovers over it. Will he press it?


😂😂😂

You beaut! You’ll be quoting David Icke next.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 18:33 - Aug 16 with 774 viewsWarwickHunt

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 15:59 - Aug 16 by wobbly

Vote of no confidence as soon as the house returns. If Boris loses, the timetable of the FTPA means you have to have a GE before Brexit. Fight it out there.

Or just get the f*ck on with it and leave.

Either has to be better (and indeed more likely) than that.


Ah - a Leaver. OK...
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 19:51 - Aug 16 with 750 viewsexiledclaseboy

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 16:56 - Aug 16 by sotonswan

As was Gina Millar's, before appeal and overturn.

Robin Tilbrook's Appeal is very much still live in the system.

Tracking information last updated 9th August 2019.

https://casetracker.justice.gov.uk/getDetail.do?case_id=20191534


Step away from the brink my friend.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 19:57 - Aug 16 with 747 viewsexiledclaseboy

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 15:48 - Aug 16 by londonlisa2001

If Johnson refuses to ask for an extension to hold a general election or referendum and looks like he’s going to no deal I think they’ll agree someone to step in solely to do that before immediately calling a general election. There is a majority of the house against a no deal.

The other possibility is them agreeing a new law (you’ll doubtless correct my description!) forcing the PM to request an extension before a general election is called to allow it up happen. The pound has strengthened in the last 24 hours as it’s expected they’ll find a way to stop him.


First paragraph. No chance (in my opinion). There’s a majority against no deal but nothing like a majority for installing that kind of temporary government to stop it. They’ll never install Corbyn and labour will never back a “unity” PM in enough numbers to make it viable.

Second para - I think they’ll find a legislative route with the Speaker’s help but it won’t be easy. The conference recess probably won’t happen because Johnson knows that the motion required to confirm it will be allowed to be amended by Bercow giving the chance for business to be taken away from the government control again. The government isn’t legislating at the moment partly because they don’t have the numbers to pass anything but mainly because any legislation can be amended so as to rule out a no deal and force the government to seek an extension.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 13:31 - Aug 17 with 635 viewsbluey_the_blue

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 19:57 - Aug 16 by exiledclaseboy

First paragraph. No chance (in my opinion). There’s a majority against no deal but nothing like a majority for installing that kind of temporary government to stop it. They’ll never install Corbyn and labour will never back a “unity” PM in enough numbers to make it viable.

Second para - I think they’ll find a legislative route with the Speaker’s help but it won’t be easy. The conference recess probably won’t happen because Johnson knows that the motion required to confirm it will be allowed to be amended by Bercow giving the chance for business to be taken away from the government control again. The government isn’t legislating at the moment partly because they don’t have the numbers to pass anything but mainly because any legislation can be amended so as to rule out a no deal and force the government to seek an extension.


First paragraph - totally agree. I know options mooted are Clarke and Harman, but not really viable - especially Clarkes farcical claim that "The present crisis is as bad as it was in 1931 or even 1940”. We're leaving EU ffs...

Second para - I'm sure Bercow will help in a completely impartial way as always. The problem is, parliamentarians may well try to force BoJo to seek an extension but even if they succeed, how on earth do people believe it'll achieve anything? EU position is simple, accept May's WA, nothing else. they may write something helpful on a non-legally binding political agreement, sure... EU are laughing at the level of help they are getting from those MPs seeking any leave to be prevented.

Nothing has changed because Parliament haven't a clue what they want. "Don't want this... oh but yeah, we don't know what we want".
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 13:49 - Aug 17 with 625 viewsHighjack

What is the situation with May’s agreement now? Are they allowed to vote on it again without change? If so and the EU won’t change it then there is no chance of us leaving with a deal full stop.

The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 13:54 - Aug 17 with 621 viewsbluey_the_blue

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 13:49 - Aug 17 by Highjack

What is the situation with May’s agreement now? Are they allowed to vote on it again without change? If so and the EU won’t change it then there is no chance of us leaving with a deal full stop.


That's the elephant in the room everybody is conveniently ignoring.

Parliament have clearly said they will not accept May's agreement. Maybe there's a chance if backstop removed, a slight chance. EU have said, "Nah, we can't change that mate. May said it would be ok anyway...".

So there's an impasse. Parliament won't agree to the WA without changes. EU won't amend it.

EDIT:

Those working to prevent the possibility of a no deal Brexit have instead made it more likely. No "threat" of no deal, no motivation for EU to renegotiate. EU are hoping we just end up either accepting May's WA to avoid no deal or revoke article 50.

Applying the threat of no deal, thanks to the actions of those fighting it, is now imo too late to get EU to change anything. If we'd been more aggressive in negotiations 2 years ago, then maybe something would have been agreed by Parliament.

Now? Can't see past no deal.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 13:59 - Aug 17 with 613 viewsHighjack

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 13:54 - Aug 17 by bluey_the_blue

That's the elephant in the room everybody is conveniently ignoring.

Parliament have clearly said they will not accept May's agreement. Maybe there's a chance if backstop removed, a slight chance. EU have said, "Nah, we can't change that mate. May said it would be ok anyway...".

So there's an impasse. Parliament won't agree to the WA without changes. EU won't amend it.

EDIT:

Those working to prevent the possibility of a no deal Brexit have instead made it more likely. No "threat" of no deal, no motivation for EU to renegotiate. EU are hoping we just end up either accepting May's WA to avoid no deal or revoke article 50.

Applying the threat of no deal, thanks to the actions of those fighting it, is now imo too late to get EU to change anything. If we'd been more aggressive in negotiations 2 years ago, then maybe something would have been agreed by Parliament.

Now? Can't see past no deal.
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No deal won’t happen. Remain is inevitable and has been since the start. We were never going to leave.

The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 14:13 - Aug 17 with 605 viewsbluey_the_blue

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 13:59 - Aug 17 by Highjack

No deal won’t happen. Remain is inevitable and has been since the start. We were never going to leave.


Well, suspect quite a few Remain MPs in leave constituencies will lose seats. Can see a fair few defectors losing seats.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 14:54 - Aug 17 with 586 viewsKilkennyjack

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 14:13 - Aug 17 by bluey_the_blue

Well, suspect quite a few Remain MPs in leave constituencies will lose seats. Can see a fair few defectors losing seats.


Not really, most people are Remain now.
Only the old and the fools want to leave now.
Lets have a vote and find out...?

You seem to be forgetting that the referendum was advisory, Parliament is sovereign and MPs were elected to serve the best interests of their constituents.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 15:02 - Aug 17 with 578 viewsbluey_the_blue

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 14:54 - Aug 17 by Kilkennyjack

Not really, most people are Remain now.
Only the old and the fools want to leave now.
Lets have a vote and find out...?

You seem to be forgetting that the referendum was advisory, Parliament is sovereign and MPs were elected to serve the best interests of their constituents.


Are they? Evidence most people are Remain?
Nice faux elitism.
People are fed up of votes.

You seem to be forgetting that in 2017 political parties, Lib Dems aside, campaigned on a basis of recognising the result. Bests interests of constituents? Like Jared "absent" O'Mara? Like Woollaston who has had more parties the last 6 months than Paris Hilton?

Yet again, Parliament won't back May's WA deal. EU won't reopen it. Your wonderful solution? Say sod it and remain. Yeah, that'll work.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 16:37 - Aug 17 with 561 viewsHighjack

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 13:49 - Aug 17 by Highjack

What is the situation with May’s agreement now? Are they allowed to vote on it again without change? If so and the EU won’t change it then there is no chance of us leaving with a deal full stop.


So can it be read again or not?

The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 17:51 - Aug 17 with 537 viewssherpajacob

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 16:37 - Aug 17 by Highjack

So can it be read again or not?


Well Johnson voted in favour of it last time, and because he has charisma or something he can persuade MPs and the EU to sign up to it, or something better even though he's not currently talking to the EU because they won't ditch the deal he voted for but really hates.

That's why he became PM isn't it?

Or was it just so he could spaff over Thatchers portrait in number 10?

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 20:21 - Aug 17 with 504 viewsJango

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 17:51 - Aug 17 by sherpajacob

Well Johnson voted in favour of it last time, and because he has charisma or something he can persuade MPs and the EU to sign up to it, or something better even though he's not currently talking to the EU because they won't ditch the deal he voted for but really hates.

That's why he became PM isn't it?

Or was it just so he could spaff over Thatchers portrait in number 10?


Not quite as bad as voting for a referendum, then voting to invoke article 50, then promising to honour the result of the referendum during the election campaign to now fighting strongly to remain in the EU. Just maybe they are self serving tossers and not just the ones who don’t tell us what we want to hear.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 20:52 - Aug 17 with 486 viewsHighjack

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 17:51 - Aug 17 by sherpajacob

Well Johnson voted in favour of it last time, and because he has charisma or something he can persuade MPs and the EU to sign up to it, or something better even though he's not currently talking to the EU because they won't ditch the deal he voted for but really hates.

That's why he became PM isn't it?

Or was it just so he could spaff over Thatchers portrait in number 10?


Well that answered some other unknown question really well I'd imagine, but not the one I asked.

Can Theresa May's deal be put again to Parliament without any change on the last few times it's been voted on? Does it now count as a new session after the recess? Would the speaker have discretion over whether it could or not and would he allow it?

If it can't be put to Parliament again and the EU are refusing to change any aspect of the deal then how the hell are we supposed to leave with a deal under any circumstances?

The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 23:23 - Aug 17 with 445 viewsexiledclaseboy

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 20:52 - Aug 17 by Highjack

Well that answered some other unknown question really well I'd imagine, but not the one I asked.

Can Theresa May's deal be put again to Parliament without any change on the last few times it's been voted on? Does it now count as a new session after the recess? Would the speaker have discretion over whether it could or not and would he allow it?

If it can't be put to Parliament again and the EU are refusing to change any aspect of the deal then how the hell are we supposed to leave with a deal under any circumstances?


Can Theresa May's deal be put again to Parliament without any change on the last few times it's been voted on?

Yes, if the speaker allows it and more to the point if the PM wants it to.

Does it now count as a new session after the recess?

Nope.

Would the speaker have discretion over whether it could or not and would he allow it?

Yes. And probably also yes. If the PM wanted to put the withdrawal agreement to parliament again the Speaker would allow it. But will the PM do that?
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 23:27 - Aug 17 with 433 viewsKilkennyjack

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 15:02 - Aug 17 by bluey_the_blue

Are they? Evidence most people are Remain?
Nice faux elitism.
People are fed up of votes.

You seem to be forgetting that in 2017 political parties, Lib Dems aside, campaigned on a basis of recognising the result. Bests interests of constituents? Like Jared "absent" O'Mara? Like Woollaston who has had more parties the last 6 months than Paris Hilton?

Yet again, Parliament won't back May's WA deal. EU won't reopen it. Your wonderful solution? Say sod it and remain. Yeah, that'll work.


Ask the people then ?

Ask them if they want the seemingly inevitable No Deal ?

It would be a landslide to Remain.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 23:39 - Aug 17 with 419 viewsHighjack

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 23:23 - Aug 17 by exiledclaseboy

Can Theresa May's deal be put again to Parliament without any change on the last few times it's been voted on?

Yes, if the speaker allows it and more to the point if the PM wants it to.

Does it now count as a new session after the recess?

Nope.

Would the speaker have discretion over whether it could or not and would he allow it?

Yes. And probably also yes. If the PM wanted to put the withdrawal agreement to parliament again the Speaker would allow it. But will the PM do that?
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Do you think the speaker would allow it? The last time they had to split it into two parts to make it look like something different. You yourself said making parliament vote on the exact same thing over and over until the desired result is achieved is the actions of a banana republic.

The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 23:47 - Aug 17 with 415 viewsexiledclaseboy

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 23:39 - Aug 17 by Highjack

Do you think the speaker would allow it? The last time they had to split it into two parts to make it look like something different. You yourself said making parliament vote on the exact same thing over and over until the desired result is achieved is the actions of a banana republic.


Yes I do and yes I did. I still think that by the way. Johnson won’t ask parliament to pass the current withdrawal agreement so it’s moot.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 00:14 - Aug 18 with 406 viewsHighjack

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 23:47 - Aug 17 by exiledclaseboy

Yes I do and yes I did. I still think that by the way. Johnson won’t ask parliament to pass the current withdrawal agreement so it’s moot.


So why did May have to go through all that rigmarole about getting a different wording from the EU for the second one and splitting it into two separate votes for the third? I thought the fact it was essentially the same item within the same parliamentary session precluded it from being brought forward without change.

So if Boris brought back Mays original unchanged agreement for a fourth time (I agree he probably won’t) for what reasons would the speaker would allow it without change this time?

The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 00:23 - Aug 18 with 401 viewsexiledclaseboy

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 00:14 - Aug 18 by Highjack

So why did May have to go through all that rigmarole about getting a different wording from the EU for the second one and splitting it into two separate votes for the third? I thought the fact it was essentially the same item within the same parliamentary session precluded it from being brought forward without change.

So if Boris brought back Mays original unchanged agreement for a fourth time (I agree he probably won’t) for what reasons would the speaker would allow it without change this time?


I’m just telling you my view. I’d could be well off the mark. I often am. All bets are off now. Forget convention and precedent. Everything is up for grabs. I’ve no idea how this ends.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 07:18 - Aug 18 with 358 viewsJango

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 00:23 - Aug 18 by exiledclaseboy

I’m just telling you my view. I’d could be well off the mark. I often am. All bets are off now. Forget convention and precedent. Everything is up for grabs. I’ve no idea how this ends.


I do. Catastrophic, either way.
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