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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK 23:28 - Nov 10 with 1222998 viewspikeypaul



And like a typical anti democracy remoaner he decided the will of the people should be ignored the minute the democratic result was in total fecking hypocrite 😂😂😂😂😂😂

Despite it being voted in to law by the commons the spineless two faced remoaner MPs have totally abandoned any morals and decided to ignore the will of the British people.

It will be remembered and no election or referendum will ever be the same again in this country.

The one thing that will come is a massive surge in the popularity of UKIP or a similar party in the future who stand for the 52%.

Happy Days.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 13:23 - Aug 21 with 684 viewschad

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 11:44 - Aug 21 by Jango

BREAKING: Office for National Statistics says it has under-estimated levels of EU migration to the UK. ONS says error affects number of migrants from EU8 countries - which include Poland - since 2016, & has also over-stated migration from countries outside the EU.

As a result, the status of the quarterly immigration figures compiled by the ONS has been downgraded to "experimental".

The ONS says: "In the year ending March 2016 – the latest point at which we have adjusted data available – EU net migration is around 16% higher than our published estimate."

For migration from outside the EU, the ONS says: "In the year ending March 2016, net migration is around 13% lower than our published estimate."


Seriously downgraded to “experimental” those sound like large variances

Bit like the Governor of the Bank of England and his wildly inaccurate doomsday predictions which were so far off the mark that they were forced to apologise for them.

Need to be careful as not only can such public predictions from sources we should be able to rely on cause serious damage they can also be very prone to suck people in with their faux data.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 13:26 - Aug 21 with 682 viewsbluey_the_blue

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 13:08 - Aug 21 by londonlisa2001

Well obviously.

And as they’ve said, they won’t sign a free trade agreement with us until we pay what we owe, and agree the rights of EU nationals, and have a mechanism to prevent non conforming goods cross the EU border...

If only there was a document that did all that.


Which is a shakedown by EU. "Give us loads of money or else".

UK has at least talked about EU national rights, EU seem a lot quieter about rights of UK nationals in EU.

The WA is fundamentally flawed, backstop aside, which is why Parliament was so against it every time a vote was arranged.

EU trade is falling year on year. Focus on the increasing non-EU trade market instead.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 13:28 - Aug 21 with 673 viewslondonlisa2001

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 13:23 - Aug 21 by chad

Seriously downgraded to “experimental” those sound like large variances

Bit like the Governor of the Bank of England and his wildly inaccurate doomsday predictions which were so far off the mark that they were forced to apologise for them.

Need to be careful as not only can such public predictions from sources we should be able to rely on cause serious damage they can also be very prone to suck people in with their faux data.


“Governor of the Bank of England and his wildly inaccurate doomsday predictions which were so far off the mark that they were forced to apologise for them. ”

Still not true chad. How ever often you repeat it.

You don’t seem to mind being sucked in by faux facts.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 13:31 - Aug 21 with 668 viewslondonlisa2001

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 13:26 - Aug 21 by bluey_the_blue

Which is a shakedown by EU. "Give us loads of money or else".

UK has at least talked about EU national rights, EU seem a lot quieter about rights of UK nationals in EU.

The WA is fundamentally flawed, backstop aside, which is why Parliament was so against it every time a vote was arranged.

EU trade is falling year on year. Focus on the increasing non-EU trade market instead.


No. It’s saying we won’t deal with a country that has reneged on its current liabilities.

Same as you can’t get a credit card if you’ve defaulted previously.

And it will take years and years to replicate EU trade however much it is less than before (which is partly a factor of the EU signing more and more trade deals that we will no longer be part of by the way).
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 14:02 - Aug 21 with 635 viewschad

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 13:28 - Aug 21 by londonlisa2001

“Governor of the Bank of England and his wildly inaccurate doomsday predictions which were so far off the mark that they were forced to apologise for them. ”

Still not true chad. How ever often you repeat it.

You don’t seem to mind being sucked in by faux facts.


Uh ah

So you are saying the Bank of England did not apologise for those inaccurate predictions?

(amongst others)
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 14:02 - Aug 21 with 634 viewsbluey_the_blue

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 13:31 - Aug 21 by londonlisa2001

No. It’s saying we won’t deal with a country that has reneged on its current liabilities.

Same as you can’t get a credit card if you’ve defaulted previously.

And it will take years and years to replicate EU trade however much it is less than before (which is partly a factor of the EU signing more and more trade deals that we will no longer be part of by the way).


The issue is are the current liabilities correct or just an attempted cash grab. After all, given losing one of few net contributors, it must be tempting to artificially inflate figures.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 14:13 - Aug 21 with 620 viewslondonlisa2001

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 14:02 - Aug 21 by chad

Uh ah

So you are saying the Bank of England did not apologise for those inaccurate predictions?

(amongst others)


It apologised for predictions before the financial crash of 2008 (made under the watch of Mervyn King - the same Mervyn King that thinks brexit will be ok) - he didn’t believe there’s be a crash.

You are, it seems, taking the distorted headlines of the Express, Politico and other pro Brexit sources to extrapolate that to brexit forecasts.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 14:13 - Aug 21 with 619 viewslondonlisa2001

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 14:02 - Aug 21 by bluey_the_blue

The issue is are the current liabilities correct or just an attempted cash grab. After all, given losing one of few net contributors, it must be tempting to artificially inflate figures.


They are our agreed figures Bluey.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 14:18 - Aug 21 with 608 viewsbluey_the_blue

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 14:13 - Aug 21 by londonlisa2001

They are our agreed figures Bluey.


Hmm, under May.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 14:18 - Aug 21 with 608 viewsmonmouth

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 13:26 - Aug 21 by bluey_the_blue

Which is a shakedown by EU. "Give us loads of money or else".

UK has at least talked about EU national rights, EU seem a lot quieter about rights of UK nationals in EU.

The WA is fundamentally flawed, backstop aside, which is why Parliament was so against it every time a vote was arranged.

EU trade is falling year on year. Focus on the increasing non-EU trade market instead.


Germany has said it will guarantee the rights of UK citizens whatever the little shit Patel does hasn't it? The rest of the EU will no doubt follow suit as they are not little children stamping their feet.

Poll: TRUST MEMBERS: What DID you vote in the, um, vote

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 14:22 - Aug 21 with 601 viewsbluey_the_blue

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 14:18 - Aug 21 by monmouth

Germany has said it will guarantee the rights of UK citizens whatever the little shit Patel does hasn't it? The rest of the EU will no doubt follow suit as they are not little children stamping their feet.


"no doubt" but no guarantee, no scheme as yet, correct?
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 14:22 - Aug 21 with 601 viewslondonlisa2001

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 14:18 - Aug 21 by bluey_the_blue

Hmm, under May.


Those are our bloody figures.

In case you missed it, she was the PM (who you voted for by the way).

This is insane. How can it be a cash grab when they are our figures?

And it’s not May that calculates them is it.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 14:25 - Aug 21 with 590 viewsmonmouth

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 14:22 - Aug 21 by londonlisa2001

Those are our bloody figures.

In case you missed it, she was the PM (who you voted for by the way).

This is insane. How can it be a cash grab when they are our figures?

And it’s not May that calculates them is it.


But didn't the Conservative government of the UK also insist on the backstop, as voted for by Johnson et al? No wonder the EU are a bit confused.

Poll: TRUST MEMBERS: What DID you vote in the, um, vote

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 14:25 - Aug 21 with 590 viewslondonlisa2001

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 14:22 - Aug 21 by bluey_the_blue

"no doubt" but no guarantee, no scheme as yet, correct?


We have withdrawn our commitments in case you’ve missed it.

Johnson, Patel et al signed up to a pledge they are now breaking.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 14:25 - Aug 21 with 590 viewsbluey_the_blue

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 14:22 - Aug 21 by londonlisa2001

Those are our bloody figures.

In case you missed it, she was the PM (who you voted for by the way).

This is insane. How can it be a cash grab when they are our figures?

And it’s not May that calculates them is it.


Commitments were made for the EU budget to 2021 wasn't it?

Meanwhile we're still paying EU. That means, due to delays in leaving, we've already paid some of that. So the figures need adjusting...

I've little doubt May wouldn't be too upset giving EU a bit extra. Given originally 100bn was bandied about, I'd wonder what the true figure actually is.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 14:26 - Aug 21 with 581 viewsmonmouth

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 14:22 - Aug 21 by bluey_the_blue

"no doubt" but no guarantee, no scheme as yet, correct?


What? You're blaming the EU for uncertainty on resident rights? Seriously?

Poll: TRUST MEMBERS: What DID you vote in the, um, vote

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 14:27 - Aug 21 with 579 viewslondonlisa2001

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 14:25 - Aug 21 by monmouth

But didn't the Conservative government of the UK also insist on the backstop, as voted for by Johnson et al? No wonder the EU are a bit confused.


Quite.

They must be feeling like kicking something. It’s like arguing with Bluey - NOTHING will be our fault.

Rise in pension age - not our fault.

People lose jobs - not our fault.

Inflation due to exchange rate crashes - not our fault.

Border in Ireland - not our fault.

It’s pathetic,
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 14:29 - Aug 21 with 567 viewsPegojack

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 12:04 - Aug 21 by Catullus

Forgive me, I can't go through the whole thread but I have a question or three or more, at the end.....

First there's this https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/11/no-renegotiation-withdrawal-agr

So, the EU will not renegotiate, the backstop must remain. Now we all know Parliament has rejected the deal, 3 times. We also know they want to reject "no deal" but it's currently the default legal position. The EU says the backstop must stay to prevent a hard border in Eire.

So,
1, If Parliament won't accept the "only deal" what are they going to do?

2, Does "no deal" Brexit mean a hard border In Eire anyway?

3, If the answer to 2 is yes, surely the EU knows that by refusing to renegotiate they are going to help cause they very thing they say they are desperate to prevent?

4, Do we need a general election to change the maths in Parliament and see if that will trigger movement?

5, Is the EU hoping that the threat of no deal will stimulate Parliament to call for another referendum or to just revoke A50 and be done/damned with it?

6, Is there anything Corbyn et al won't try to try and be Prime Minister?

7, If we assume that Parliament somehow stops no deal brexit but still won't accept the only deal on offer but nothing else changes (say Bojo wins a no confidence vote) just what do we do?
Lets face it, at the outset we were told tht the uncertainty around brexit would cause problems and all the politicians have done is cause stagnation and even more uncertainty. We are were we are partly because Parliament has proved incacpable of making a decision, whichever way. Most of the politicians clearly want to remain but don't have the balls to revoke A50 and haven't even managed to come together enough (as of yet) to agree a plan to get rid of Boris and call a snap election.
The only thing I'm certain of anymore is things cannot stay this way, we are in a politically created limbo and it has to change. Boris should call an election and stand on a leave (deal or no deal) manifesto and take on the rest. Winner takes all.
It all comes back to Cameron's stupidity. He arrogantly assumed we'd choose remain so made no plans for anything else, we had a binary choice which has caused massive division that could even split the Union, it has already split friends and families. Something has to give, one way or the other.


Point 6. Yes, the things Jeremy Corbyn will try to become Prime Minister. Calling a General Election so the whole nation can decide the issue, eh? Absolutely disgraceful.
The correct way to become PM, as we all know, is to allow 90,000 unrepresentitive white, middle class, right wing old farts to decide.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 14:30 - Aug 21 with 566 viewslondonlisa2001

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 14:25 - Aug 21 by bluey_the_blue

Commitments were made for the EU budget to 2021 wasn't it?

Meanwhile we're still paying EU. That means, due to delays in leaving, we've already paid some of that. So the figures need adjusting...

I've little doubt May wouldn't be too upset giving EU a bit extra. Given originally 100bn was bandied about, I'd wonder what the true figure actually is.


We are still in the EU. Farage et all still getting their pensions. And sterling has crashed. So our Euro based payments will be higher.

They have a detailed calculation of how the figure is made up. Together with all assumptions etc. It’s clearly laid out.

I suggest you read it rather than continue to spout bollox about something you clearly don’t understand.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 15:04 - Aug 21 with 540 viewschad

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 14:02 - Aug 21 by chad

Uh ah

So you are saying the Bank of England did not apologise for those inaccurate predictions?

(amongst others)


Sorry Lisa, was your response a yes or no to this question?
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 15:36 - Aug 21 with 525 viewsJackSomething

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 15:04 - Aug 21 by chad

Sorry Lisa, was your response a yes or no to this question?


Not wanting to answer for Lisa, but as of April this year, it looks like Carney was not only not apologising, but doubling down and saying he was correct:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-04-28/carney-s-not-sorry-about-brex

“What we said prior to the referendum is that we thought the exchange rate would fall, perhaps sharply, inflation would go up, and growth would slow,” Carney told a House of Lords committee in January. “After the referendum, the pound fell, sharply, inflation went up, and growth slowed.”

You know, Hobbes, some days even my lucky rocket ship underpants don't help.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 15:44 - Aug 21 with 516 viewsJackSomething

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 13:23 - Aug 21 by chad

Seriously downgraded to “experimental” those sound like large variances

Bit like the Governor of the Bank of England and his wildly inaccurate doomsday predictions which were so far off the mark that they were forced to apologise for them.

Need to be careful as not only can such public predictions from sources we should be able to rely on cause serious damage they can also be very prone to suck people in with their faux data.


I agree with you that 'public predictions from sources we should be able to rely on cause serious damage they can also be very prone to suck people in with their faux data.'

How does that differ to these then?








You know, Hobbes, some days even my lucky rocket ship underpants don't help.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 16:16 - Aug 21 with 478 viewsJango

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 11:57 - Aug 21 by londonlisa2001

They were always estimates. We don’t measure immigration properly.

Because we don’t bother to control it in the way we are allowed to do so under EU rules.

It has nothing to do with EU membership. It is a choice. As some of us have been saying for month after month after month.

This particular government have now decided to be stricter about immigration going forward. Which will result in retirement age being increased as current workers pay for the pensions being paid and lower immigration means there is less in the pension pot. So decide which you’d prefer.


Only 29000 out on their estimates. Experts eh! What other figures regarding eu immigrants are wrong I wonder.

The ‘choice’ you keep on about means migrants can’t stay longer than 3 months unless they have a job. Meaning they can bring their whole family over if they are have a job or even just registered self employed. That is hardly control and doesn’t stop low paid, skilled or unskilled workers coming over.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 18:01 - Aug 21 with 414 viewslondonlisa2001

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 15:36 - Aug 21 by JackSomething

Not wanting to answer for Lisa, but as of April this year, it looks like Carney was not only not apologising, but doubling down and saying he was correct:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-04-28/carney-s-not-sorry-about-brex

“What we said prior to the referendum is that we thought the exchange rate would fall, perhaps sharply, inflation would go up, and growth would slow,” Carney told a House of Lords committee in January. “After the referendum, the pound fell, sharply, inflation went up, and growth slowed.”


Thanks. I have posted parts of that article before when chad has made the same inaccurate claim, but it’s been ignored.

The issue is that the papers and sources such as politico (I reference that as chad has said she reads that) reported an interview about the financial crash given by Andy Haldane as though it was about brexit. And some Brexit MPs have quoted the inaccuracy repeatedly.

The irony is that the governor during the period that they have apologised for is a brexit supporter. He called the financial crash completely wrong.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 18:13 - Aug 21 with 396 viewslondonlisa2001

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 16:16 - Aug 21 by Jango

Only 29000 out on their estimates. Experts eh! What other figures regarding eu immigrants are wrong I wonder.

The ‘choice’ you keep on about means migrants can’t stay longer than 3 months unless they have a job. Meaning they can bring their whole family over if they are have a job or even just registered self employed. That is hardly control and doesn’t stop low paid, skilled or unskilled workers coming over.
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??

The ONS doesn’t measure immigration accurately. They’ve always said that. It produces estimates based on a voluntary survey traveling via ports, airports and rail. The also try to use Home Office settlement data and the census.

We don’t implement our rights under EU law to repatriate EU citizens if they are not self sufficient. Other EU countries repatriate thousands every year. Even if nominally self employed, we have the right to repatriate if they are a drain in the benefits system.

If we don’t use the controls we have now, it’s not the EU’s fault it’s ours. And we will continue to bring in migrants. Or if we don’t want to anymore everyone can work until they’re 75. As the state pension can’t be paid without immigration.
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