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1:19 pm today was the exact mid point from when the result that the Great British public had decided to leave the EU and the time 11pm March 29th 2019 that Democracy will be delivered.

Happy days.
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The Countdown begins. on 12:15 - Jun 9 with 850 viewspikeypaul

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The Countdown begins. on 13:05 - Jun 9 with 803 viewsLord_Bony

I wish it would hurry up.

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The Countdown begins. on 14:06 - Jun 9 with 782 viewsHighjack

The Countdown begins. on 13:05 - Jun 9 by Lord_Bony

I wish it would hurry up.


As do all of us. It’s ridiculous how they’ve manufactured the need to have endless transition periods and negotiations. We should have left immidiately.

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The Countdown begins. on 14:44 - Jun 9 with 767 viewsDJack

The Countdown begins. on 14:06 - Jun 9 by Highjack

As do all of us. It’s ridiculous how they’ve manufactured the need to have endless transition periods and negotiations. We should have left immidiately.


Christ on a bike...over the years I have been happy, on many occasions, to disagree with you but still happy to re-engage with you on topics as you are not stupid...The post about leaving immediately has thrown me somewhat as it is ludicrously stupid - also not allowed under the agreements previously signed.

Have you banged your head (or perhaps try banging your head )?

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The Countdown begins. on 15:06 - Jun 9 with 757 viewsexiledclaseboy

The Countdown begins. on 14:06 - Jun 9 by Highjack

As do all of us. It’s ridiculous how they’ve manufactured the need to have endless transition periods and negotiations. We should have left immidiately.


How would that have worked then?

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The Countdown begins. on 17:04 - Jun 9 with 728 viewsHighjack

The Countdown begins. on 14:44 - Jun 9 by DJack

Christ on a bike...over the years I have been happy, on many occasions, to disagree with you but still happy to re-engage with you on topics as you are not stupid...The post about leaving immediately has thrown me somewhat as it is ludicrously stupid - also not allowed under the agreements previously signed.

Have you banged your head (or perhaps try banging your head )?


Apologies I’ve phrased it wrong. It was ridiculous we had to wait nearly a year between the referendum for them to trigger article 50. That should have been done immediately or shortly after the referendum. Article 50 then lasts for two years which then should see us leave the EU on whatever date this thread is counting down to. They are then proposing further transition periods of two years or maybe more. We could be talking ten years from the referendum to the point that even remotely looks like we’ve left the European Union.

The whole thing stinks of all parties saying let’s drag it out as long as possible for our friends in the bilderberg groupto cream Offas much money as they possibly can.

If Scotland had voted for independence in 2014 it would be done by now, sorted.

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The Countdown begins. on 17:15 - Jun 9 with 720 viewsexiledclaseboy

The Countdown begins. on 17:04 - Jun 9 by Highjack

Apologies I’ve phrased it wrong. It was ridiculous we had to wait nearly a year between the referendum for them to trigger article 50. That should have been done immediately or shortly after the referendum. Article 50 then lasts for two years which then should see us leave the EU on whatever date this thread is counting down to. They are then proposing further transition periods of two years or maybe more. We could be talking ten years from the referendum to the point that even remotely looks like we’ve left the European Union.

The whole thing stinks of all parties saying let’s drag it out as long as possible for our friends in the bilderberg groupto cream Offas much money as they possibly can.

If Scotland had voted for independence in 2014 it would be done by now, sorted.


I’m of the opposite view, unsurprisingly. The fact that Article 50 was triggered as early as it was with no plan for the negotiations, no idea of what outcome we wanted and no clue what would happen in all sorts of vital areas when we leave was an act of almost treasonous folly. Yet another short term political decision taken by a government which doesn’t think past the next press cycle.
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The Countdown begins. on 17:20 - Jun 9 with 716 viewspeenemunde

The Countdown begins. on 09:36 - Jun 9 by Batterseajack

How can the people possibly know what they voted for when the government still doesn’t know its own position on Brexit yet? They’re planning another cabinet crises away at chequers to work out some details on that blank piece of paper - 2 years after the bloody vote!

So did you vote for a border between NI and ROI?
And did you vote customs checks to be carried out at Dover? If so are you not concerned about the lack of upgrade work to the current infrastructure there?


I know actually what I voted for.
The government is muddying the waters, on purpose.
Hard border in NI if needed, no problem with that.
Customs checks in Dover- most definitely.
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The Countdown begins. on 17:29 - Jun 9 with 707 viewsJango

The Countdown begins. on 08:07 - Jun 9 by Gowerjack

MPs are not paid to work together as a team you ignoramus..


so what’s the point in having an elected party if they are all gonna go solo when it suits them?
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The Countdown begins. on 17:33 - Jun 9 with 694 viewsJango

The Countdown begins. on 09:36 - Jun 9 by Batterseajack

How can the people possibly know what they voted for when the government still doesn’t know its own position on Brexit yet? They’re planning another cabinet crises away at chequers to work out some details on that blank piece of paper - 2 years after the bloody vote!

So did you vote for a border between NI and ROI?
And did you vote customs checks to be carried out at Dover? If so are you not concerned about the lack of upgrade work to the current infrastructure there?


All questions that wouldn’t need answering if all MPs had done their job and followed the will of the people and done their best to get the best deal the people voted for. Once we’ve left and you have to accept that fact maybe you’ll realise how ignorant fu**ing stupid the remainers have been.
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The Countdown begins. on 17:36 - Jun 9 with 690 viewsexiledclaseboy

The Countdown begins. on 17:33 - Jun 9 by Jango

All questions that wouldn’t need answering if all MPs had done their job and followed the will of the people and done their best to get the best deal the people voted for. Once we’ve left and you have to accept that fact maybe you’ll realise how ignorant fu**ing stupid the remainers have been.


The fundamental flaw with that line of thinking is that no one agrees on what the best deal is. And of course the people didn’t vote for a deal, they voted for a fairly abstract principle.

So once the government has negotiated a deal and everyone knows what leaving the EU will mean, let’s have another vote.
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The Countdown begins. on 17:44 - Jun 9 with 675 viewspeenemunde

The Countdown begins. on 17:36 - Jun 9 by exiledclaseboy

The fundamental flaw with that line of thinking is that no one agrees on what the best deal is. And of course the people didn’t vote for a deal, they voted for a fairly abstract principle.

So once the government has negotiated a deal and everyone knows what leaving the EU will mean, let’s have another vote.
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If you do that, the eu can offer absolutely nothing, knowing there’ll be another vote.
A ridiculous idea, just another ploy to keep the country in the eu.
It’s not going to happen.
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The Countdown begins. on 17:44 - Jun 9 with 669 viewsJango

The Countdown begins. on 17:36 - Jun 9 by exiledclaseboy

The fundamental flaw with that line of thinking is that no one agrees on what the best deal is. And of course the people didn’t vote for a deal, they voted for a fairly abstract principle.

So once the government has negotiated a deal and everyone knows what leaving the EU will mean, let’s have another vote.
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The argument about a final vote would be a fair one if half of the MPs and House of Lords hadn’t done their upmost to derail the process. They haven’t though. They are a disgrace to the 17.4m people who won the vote. Either way the democratic process on this country will never be taken seriously again thanks to those arrogant self centred idiots.
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The Countdown begins. on 17:44 - Jun 9 with 665 viewspeenemunde

The Countdown begins. on 17:29 - Jun 9 by Jango

so what’s the point in having an elected party if they are all gonna go solo when it suits them?


Gowerjack is very slow.
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The Countdown begins. on 17:46 - Jun 9 with 656 viewsDJack

The Countdown begins. on 17:36 - Jun 9 by exiledclaseboy

The fundamental flaw with that line of thinking is that no one agrees on what the best deal is. And of course the people didn’t vote for a deal, they voted for a fairly abstract principle.

So once the government has negotiated a deal and everyone knows what leaving the EU will mean, let’s have another vote.
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You forgot...populism means populism. Unsubstantiated "facts" showing the way to utopia must not be prevailed upon nor open to critical examination as the people have spoken...unconvincingly 52/50.

It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan

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The Countdown begins. on 17:48 - Jun 9 with 651 viewsBatterseajack

The Countdown begins. on 17:36 - Jun 9 by exiledclaseboy

The fundamental flaw with that line of thinking is that no one agrees on what the best deal is. And of course the people didn’t vote for a deal, they voted for a fairly abstract principle.

So once the government has negotiated a deal and everyone knows what leaving the EU will mean, let’s have another vote.
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The other fundamental flaw is that after voting for parliament to take back control, he wants our MPs to do the opposite and give the government free rein to do whatever it wants, even if that means slapping a border between NI and ROI, turning the m20 into a giant lorry park and doing untold damage to our economy as outlined in the latest governments own Brexit impact papers.
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The Countdown begins. on 18:02 - Jun 9 with 622 viewsJango

The Countdown begins. on 17:48 - Jun 9 by Batterseajack

The other fundamental flaw is that after voting for parliament to take back control, he wants our MPs to do the opposite and give the government free rein to do whatever it wants, even if that means slapping a border between NI and ROI, turning the m20 into a giant lorry park and doing untold damage to our economy as outlined in the latest governments own Brexit impact papers.


Haha yet again bullsh*t. The remainers doing their best to derail the process have had no intention of doing any different since the vote went against them. Without them causing this country nothing but harm brexit would look a lot different. One day you’ll see. I have a similar problem explaining to my 8 year old daughter why she can’t play in the street unsupervised.
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The Countdown begins. on 18:26 - Jun 9 with 595 viewsHighjack

The Countdown begins. on 17:44 - Jun 9 by Jango

The argument about a final vote would be a fair one if half of the MPs and House of Lords hadn’t done their upmost to derail the process. They haven’t though. They are a disgrace to the 17.4m people who won the vote. Either way the democratic process on this country will never be taken seriously again thanks to those arrogant self centred idiots.


It just reinforces the growing opinion there is no democratic process in this country, or any other country. No matter which way we vote they’ll just all do whatever big business and international finance tells them to do anyway.

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The Countdown begins. on 18:35 - Jun 9 with 586 viewsHighjack

Out of interest, how do goods usually leave the European Union? For example seven hundred thousand tonnes of chorizo sausage leaves on a boat for Morocco. Does this create a giant lorry park in Cadiz whilst customs officers search the boat?

The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
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The Countdown begins. on 19:15 - Jun 9 with 571 viewspeenemunde

The Countdown begins. on 18:35 - Jun 9 by Highjack

Out of interest, how do goods usually leave the European Union? For example seven hundred thousand tonnes of chorizo sausage leaves on a boat for Morocco. Does this create a giant lorry park in Cadiz whilst customs officers search the boat?


Of course not. And why not, because there isn’t actually a problem at all.
It’s been engineered by the Eu and remoaners, because it’s all they have left, lies, lies and more lies.
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The Countdown begins. on 19:48 - Jun 9 with 555 viewsBatterseajack

The Countdown begins. on 18:35 - Jun 9 by Highjack

Out of interest, how do goods usually leave the European Union? For example seven hundred thousand tonnes of chorizo sausage leaves on a boat for Morocco. Does this create a giant lorry park in Cadiz whilst customs officers search the boat?


Moroccos got a FTA with the EU
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The Countdown begins. on 19:52 - Jun 9 with 546 viewsBatterseajack

The Countdown begins. on 17:20 - Jun 9 by peenemunde

I know actually what I voted for.
The government is muddying the waters, on purpose.
Hard border in NI if needed, no problem with that.
Customs checks in Dover- most definitely.


Well that’s fine, but I don’t think ALL brexiters voted to decimate our haulage industry or tear up the good Friday agreement.
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The Countdown begins. on 20:04 - Jun 9 with 536 viewsHighjack

The Countdown begins. on 19:48 - Jun 9 by Batterseajack

Moroccos got a FTA with the EU
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Ah so movement of goods aren’t subject to tariffs or checks then?

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The Countdown begins. on 20:59 - Jun 9 with 516 viewsHighjack

The Countdown begins. on 19:48 - Jun 9 by Batterseajack

Moroccos got a FTA with the EU
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What if a lorry load of chlorinated chickens from America landed in Casablanca with the intention of smuggling them into the EU?

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The Countdown begins. on 21:06 - Jun 9 with 505 viewsBatterseajack

The Countdown begins. on 20:04 - Jun 9 by Highjack

Ah so movement of goods aren’t subject to tariffs or checks then?


Don’t know to be honest. An FTA would mean no tariffs on whatever goods they agreed this for, but I’m not sure what this means for checks, proof of origin and paperwork. The port of Algeciras has both a huge shipping container and lorry park, unlike currently at Dover.
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