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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK 23:28 - Nov 10 with 1042581 viewspikeypaul



And like a typical anti democracy remoaner he decided the will of the people should be ignored the minute the democratic result was in total fecking hypocrite 😂😂😂😂😂😂

Despite it being voted in to law by the commons the spineless two faced remoaner MPs have totally abandoned any morals and decided to ignore the will of the British people.

It will be remembered and no election or referendum will ever be the same again in this country.

The one thing that will come is a massive surge in the popularity of UKIP or a similar party in the future who stand for the 52%.

Happy Days.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 10:43 - Sep 5 with 592 viewsJango

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 08:54 - Sep 5 by epaul

No tory ever makes a good PM

John Smith.....


I think there are two ways in which people are controlled. First of all frighten people and secondly, demoralize them.

Tony Benn
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 11:02 - Sep 5 with 565 viewsKerouac

The Labour Party have been out of power for a decade and they have just ensured that they will spend at least one more decade out of power.

EU membership was more important than governing the UK, more important than our constitution, more important than our parliament, more important than democracy.

Was it worth it?
Proud of yourselves?

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 11:07 - Sep 5 with 548 viewsjacks777

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 09:34 - Sep 5 by Ebo

There are no winners in life. We all end up in the same size box.


No winners in life 😂
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 11:16 - Sep 5 with 531 viewsWarwickHunt

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 11:02 - Sep 5 by Kerouac

The Labour Party have been out of power for a decade and they have just ensured that they will spend at least one more decade out of power.

EU membership was more important than governing the UK, more important than our constitution, more important than our parliament, more important than democracy.

Was it worth it?
Proud of yourselves?


Keep ‘em coming, K!

I’m fûcking crying here! 😂😂😂
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 11:33 - Sep 5 with 496 viewsHumpty

Johnson's own brother can no longer keep up the pretence. Just resigned.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49594793
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 11:34 - Sep 5 with 495 viewsKerouac

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 11:16 - Sep 5 by WarwickHunt

Keep ‘em coming, K!

I’m fûcking crying here! 😂😂😂


With every European treaty signed, and during the referendum debate of course, the 'Remainers' claimed that the sovereignty we were pooling with the EU was no big deal, nothing to frighten the horses about...it is just a mutually beneficial relationship for a small price.
All the while the major parties never gave the voting public the chance to voice their opinion, a choice (for fear of splitting apart their own parties on the subject).

It turns out the political union they were building with the EU, behind the backs of the British public, was considered so important to them that anyone who opposed this political union should be considered an "extremist".
It was so important to them that they are willing to sacrifice everything on the EU altar.

There can be no hiding.
Your lot will have to face elections, many of them, stretching off into the future.
The lies and the hypocrisy on display these past few years, clinging to the EU ideology like some kind of religious faith, will make what you have to say irrelevant to the silent majority in the future.

People talk about a lack of trust in Boris, in the government, while refusing to have their own actions judged at a General Election.
Nobody trusts you out there in the country.
Nobody trusts Jezza, nobody trusts his shadow cabinet, nobody trusts the Labour party, nobody trusts the London-centric media, nobody agrees with the Guardian, nobody watches Channel 4 news...you are in the minority.
….and a minority who stages a coup deserves everything that's coming to them.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 11:42 - Sep 5 with 487 viewsWingstandwood

Labour MP Luciana Berger, crazy times!
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 11:45 - Sep 5 with 474 viewsWarwickHunt

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 11:34 - Sep 5 by Kerouac

With every European treaty signed, and during the referendum debate of course, the 'Remainers' claimed that the sovereignty we were pooling with the EU was no big deal, nothing to frighten the horses about...it is just a mutually beneficial relationship for a small price.
All the while the major parties never gave the voting public the chance to voice their opinion, a choice (for fear of splitting apart their own parties on the subject).

It turns out the political union they were building with the EU, behind the backs of the British public, was considered so important to them that anyone who opposed this political union should be considered an "extremist".
It was so important to them that they are willing to sacrifice everything on the EU altar.

There can be no hiding.
Your lot will have to face elections, many of them, stretching off into the future.
The lies and the hypocrisy on display these past few years, clinging to the EU ideology like some kind of religious faith, will make what you have to say irrelevant to the silent majority in the future.

People talk about a lack of trust in Boris, in the government, while refusing to have their own actions judged at a General Election.
Nobody trusts you out there in the country.
Nobody trusts Jezza, nobody trusts his shadow cabinet, nobody trusts the Labour party, nobody trusts the London-centric media, nobody agrees with the Guardian, nobody watches Channel 4 news...you are in the minority.
….and a minority who stages a coup deserves everything that's coming to them.
[Post edited 5 Sep 11:45]


Nurse - the screens!
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 11:47 - Sep 5 with 465 viewsKerouac

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 11:45 - Sep 5 by WarwickHunt

Nurse - the screens!


We'll see if you are still laughing come the inevitable General Election mate.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 11:54 - Sep 5 with 457 viewsJack_Meoff

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 11:34 - Sep 5 by Kerouac

With every European treaty signed, and during the referendum debate of course, the 'Remainers' claimed that the sovereignty we were pooling with the EU was no big deal, nothing to frighten the horses about...it is just a mutually beneficial relationship for a small price.
All the while the major parties never gave the voting public the chance to voice their opinion, a choice (for fear of splitting apart their own parties on the subject).

It turns out the political union they were building with the EU, behind the backs of the British public, was considered so important to them that anyone who opposed this political union should be considered an "extremist".
It was so important to them that they are willing to sacrifice everything on the EU altar.

There can be no hiding.
Your lot will have to face elections, many of them, stretching off into the future.
The lies and the hypocrisy on display these past few years, clinging to the EU ideology like some kind of religious faith, will make what you have to say irrelevant to the silent majority in the future.

People talk about a lack of trust in Boris, in the government, while refusing to have their own actions judged at a General Election.
Nobody trusts you out there in the country.
Nobody trusts Jezza, nobody trusts his shadow cabinet, nobody trusts the Labour party, nobody trusts the London-centric media, nobody agrees with the Guardian, nobody watches Channel 4 news...you are in the minority.
….and a minority who stages a coup deserves everything that's coming to them.
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If they'd blocked an election after a 'No Deal' Brexit is written into law, that would be a fair post.

Beforehand it's a tad drama queen, shirley?

If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face--forever.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 12:09 - Sep 5 with 449 viewsKerouac

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 11:54 - Sep 5 by Jack_Meoff

If they'd blocked an election after a 'No Deal' Brexit is written into law, that would be a fair post.

Beforehand it's a tad drama queen, shirley?


C'mon, we know that "blocking a 'No Deal' Brexit in law" is actually about destroying the governments negotiating position.

The Labour Party, the Lib Dems, SNP and Plaid are working with the EU.
It is coordinated and calculated, designed to hold any British PM who tries to implement Brexit responsible for the shite deal offered...when really, they have made it impossible for our government to negotiate at all.

This kind of behaviour used to be called treasonous...and the people they are f*cking is not "the nasty Tories", it is every UK citizen who voted to leave the EU (including the Customs Union and Single Market...as laid out during the Brexit referendum).

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 12:13 - Sep 5 with 440 viewsGwyn737

I keep hearing that the people voted to leave.

16.1 million didn't and they deserve to have a voice. It's called democracy.

Edit - blummin' keyboard
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 12:22 - Sep 5 with 437 viewsJack_Meoff

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 12:09 - Sep 5 by Kerouac

C'mon, we know that "blocking a 'No Deal' Brexit in law" is actually about destroying the governments negotiating position.

The Labour Party, the Lib Dems, SNP and Plaid are working with the EU.
It is coordinated and calculated, designed to hold any British PM who tries to implement Brexit responsible for the shite deal offered...when really, they have made it impossible for our government to negotiate at all.

This kind of behaviour used to be called treasonous...and the people they are f*cking is not "the nasty Tories", it is every UK citizen who voted to leave the EU (including the Customs Union and Single Market...as laid out during the Brexit referendum).


'The Labour Party, the Lib Dems, SNP and Plaid are working with the EU.'

Kinell man, I thought I was the tinfolier!

They've had three and a half years Kez mun. It's a tad late to apportion blame at this point.

Boris' bumbling about negotiation, 'surrender bill' and 'dally and delay' (surprised he didn't resurrect 'strong and stable') seems to be masking the point that there are no negotiations currently occurring.

You think these people care if we leave with no deal? Their donors then won't be affected by the EU Tax Avoidance legislation coming into place next year and their speculator buddies can make a killing picking the bones from the carcass in the ensuing chaos. We don't know exactly what the chaos will be as Johnson refuses to release any information, for instance, about what Operation Yellowhammer revealed. They don't care about the 'will of the people.' They never have. Ever.

Anyway, we're not going to agree pal so it'll be interesting what happens in the Lords Friday and what happens regarding an election when and if the bill does become law.
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If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face--forever.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 12:29 - Sep 5 with 420 viewsjacks777

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 12:13 - Sep 5 by Gwyn737

I keep hearing that the people voted to leave.

16.1 million didn't and they deserve to have a voice. It's called democracy.

Edit - blummin' keyboard
[Post edited 5 Sep 12:42]


Stay off the drugs butt
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 12:35 - Sep 5 with 413 viewsJango

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 12:22 - Sep 5 by Jack_Meoff

'The Labour Party, the Lib Dems, SNP and Plaid are working with the EU.'

Kinell man, I thought I was the tinfolier!

They've had three and a half years Kez mun. It's a tad late to apportion blame at this point.

Boris' bumbling about negotiation, 'surrender bill' and 'dally and delay' (surprised he didn't resurrect 'strong and stable') seems to be masking the point that there are no negotiations currently occurring.

You think these people care if we leave with no deal? Their donors then won't be affected by the EU Tax Avoidance legislation coming into place next year and their speculator buddies can make a killing picking the bones from the carcass in the ensuing chaos. We don't know exactly what the chaos will be as Johnson refuses to release any information, for instance, about what Operation Yellowhammer revealed. They don't care about the 'will of the people.' They never have. Ever.

Anyway, we're not going to agree pal so it'll be interesting what happens in the Lords Friday and what happens regarding an election when and if the bill does become law.
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Three and a half years of the EU watching the Remainers doing everything they can to overthrow Brexit mun. The EU and the remainers have been in constant contact with the EU knowing all along that remain had a big majority in parliament. If you don’t think that has led us to where we are now then there’s no hope.

I remember watching Tony Blair basically pleading with the EU on tv saying give us more time and we will stop brexit.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 13:03 - Sep 5 with 365 viewsWarwickHunt

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 12:09 - Sep 5 by Kerouac

C'mon, we know that "blocking a 'No Deal' Brexit in law" is actually about destroying the governments negotiating position.

The Labour Party, the Lib Dems, SNP and Plaid are working with the EU.
It is coordinated and calculated, designed to hold any British PM who tries to implement Brexit responsible for the shite deal offered...when really, they have made it impossible for our government to negotiate at all.

This kind of behaviour used to be called treasonous...and the people they are f*cking is not "the nasty Tories", it is every UK citizen who voted to leave the EU (including the Customs Union and Single Market...as laid out during the Brexit referendum).


There. Are. No. Fûcking. Negotiations.

The EU have said so. Cummings has said so. The “negotiating team” has been disbanded.

Take your head out of your increasingly hysterical arse.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 13:11 - Sep 5 with 341 viewsJackSomething

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 12:35 - Sep 5 by Jango

Three and a half years of the EU watching the Remainers doing everything they can to overthrow Brexit mun. The EU and the remainers have been in constant contact with the EU knowing all along that remain had a big majority in parliament. If you don’t think that has led us to where we are now then there’s no hope.

I remember watching Tony Blair basically pleading with the EU on tv saying give us more time and we will stop brexit.


If that was the case why didn't the majority remainers in parliament not vote to reject invoking Article 50?

You know, Hobbes, some days even my lucky rocket ship underpants don't help.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 13:15 - Sep 5 with 338 viewschad

So let’s see if I have this right. Against a UK wide referendum, that voted to leave the blackballing expansionist private members club, known as the EU.

We consider it democratic for Parliament to cede total power to that private members club as to IF and when and under what terms the UK may ever leave that private members club.

Keeping in mind that this is a club who certainly in the interests of its own self protection does not want one of its largest net contributors and a major player to leave at all, let alone successfully.

Yet I am told on here that a new Green Party (pro EU) MEP reporting from his own first hand experience about how ineffectual and clueless the EU is, is irrelevant.

Or told here that a link to a Guardian article where the Chief Economist of the Bank of England clearly admits its major forecasting failures and specifically holds his hands up to the incorrectness of the major predictions of doom post Brexit vote, is not about Brexit. Most amusing but not unsurprising.


THE CUNNING PLAN:
Cannot leave EU without a deal

THE SIMPLE LOGIC
Cannot have a deal without the agreement of EU

THE RESULT:
EU given total power to keep UK in EU ad infinitum
Or choose instead to allow us to leave if we agree to whatever cost and whatever ongoing terms they dictate no matter how extortionate and unreasonable


Yep all makes sense now, can see why supporters of that plan on here see themselves as intellectually superior.

Along with those MEPs who proudly openly attempted to plot with EU officials to make leaving the EU as difficult (and as a result as economically costly and disruptive) as possible, in an attempt to stop us leaving.

Or those honest John politicians who request another vote (given they did not like the result of the first one) but now admit they would not accept the result of any subsequent one if it is not the result they want

A million clap trapping posts will never make a sound argument of ceding to the private members club itself, the power to force our nation to remain in that same self protectionist, expansionist, private members club, forcibly tied to its funding and rules. Or if at their choosing, they decide to allow us to leave, give them the power to force whatever terms they wish upon us if we want to escape.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 13:18 - Sep 5 with 329 viewsJackSomething

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 13:15 - Sep 5 by chad

So let’s see if I have this right. Against a UK wide referendum, that voted to leave the blackballing expansionist private members club, known as the EU.

We consider it democratic for Parliament to cede total power to that private members club as to IF and when and under what terms the UK may ever leave that private members club.

Keeping in mind that this is a club who certainly in the interests of its own self protection does not want one of its largest net contributors and a major player to leave at all, let alone successfully.

Yet I am told on here that a new Green Party (pro EU) MEP reporting from his own first hand experience about how ineffectual and clueless the EU is, is irrelevant.

Or told here that a link to a Guardian article where the Chief Economist of the Bank of England clearly admits its major forecasting failures and specifically holds his hands up to the incorrectness of the major predictions of doom post Brexit vote, is not about Brexit. Most amusing but not unsurprising.


THE CUNNING PLAN:
Cannot leave EU without a deal

THE SIMPLE LOGIC
Cannot have a deal without the agreement of EU

THE RESULT:
EU given total power to keep UK in EU ad infinitum
Or choose instead to allow us to leave if we agree to whatever cost and whatever ongoing terms they dictate no matter how extortionate and unreasonable


Yep all makes sense now, can see why supporters of that plan on here see themselves as intellectually superior.

Along with those MEPs who proudly openly attempted to plot with EU officials to make leaving the EU as difficult (and as a result as economically costly and disruptive) as possible, in an attempt to stop us leaving.

Or those honest John politicians who request another vote (given they did not like the result of the first one) but now admit they would not accept the result of any subsequent one if it is not the result they want

A million clap trapping posts will never make a sound argument of ceding to the private members club itself, the power to force our nation to remain in that same self protectionist, expansionist, private members club, forcibly tied to its funding and rules. Or if at their choosing, they decide to allow us to leave, give them the power to force whatever terms they wish upon us if we want to escape.


So you're continuing to push that Bank of England line when you've been shown to be factually incorrect multiple times? Bloody hell, it's like Laudrup being sacked all over again!

You know, Hobbes, some days even my lucky rocket ship underpants don't help.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 13:19 - Sep 5 with 325 viewsJango

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 13:11 - Sep 5 by JackSomething

If that was the case why didn't the majority remainers in parliament not vote to reject invoking Article 50?


Before an inevitable general election you mean?

They can’t lie their way through an election this time around so they are just refusing one.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 13:26 - Sep 5 with 293 viewsJackSomething

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 13:19 - Sep 5 by Jango

Before an inevitable general election you mean?

They can’t lie their way through an election this time around so they are just refusing one.
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There was always going to be a general election where they would be held to account for their Brexit choices, so not sure why that would affect their vote on A50.

The suggestion that the Remainer MP's have had this plan for three and a half years amuses me. I don't think the average MP thinks very far ahead and the idea that they would all agree on this complicated plan to keep us in the EU seems very conspiracy theory to me. I think they're mostly making it up as they go along.

You know full well why they are refusing the election at this time. Once leaving with no deal in October has been averted, their views on an election will change. If at that point the Tories and Brexit party win a combined majority on a no-deal ticket, well that will be that.

You know, Hobbes, some days even my lucky rocket ship underpants don't help.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 13:34 - Sep 5 with 275 viewschad

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 13:18 - Sep 5 by JackSomething

So you're continuing to push that Bank of England line when you've been shown to be factually incorrect multiple times? Bloody hell, it's like Laudrup being sacked all over again!


Sorry when have I been “shown to be factually incorrect”

You were not taken in by the lies about me supposedly Saying the Governor apologised are you? There is a reason Lisa did not provide proof of that when I requested it.

I provided the link to the Guardian article to which I was referring as requested read it and listen to the video clip then tell me which part you are having trouble with.

What has Laudrup got to do with it I thought your arguments may be more cerebral than that my error.

I think you will find it is not me motor mouthing crap all over this thread.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 13:45 - Sep 5 with 260 viewslondonlisa2001

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 13:34 - Sep 5 by chad

Sorry when have I been “shown to be factually incorrect”

You were not taken in by the lies about me supposedly Saying the Governor apologised are you? There is a reason Lisa did not provide proof of that when I requested it.

I provided the link to the Guardian article to which I was referring as requested read it and listen to the video clip then tell me which part you are having trouble with.

What has Laudrup got to do with it I thought your arguments may be more cerebral than that my error.

I think you will find it is not me motor mouthing crap all over this thread.


I provided proof in a long response. Multiple examples of proof. You obviously ‘didn’t see that one’ snigger.

The Guardian article conflated an apology about forecasting prior to the financial crash (under the stewardship of the pro Brexit Mervyn King, btw) with Brexit forecasting.

As was pointed out to you by several posters.

But you carry on.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 13:56 - Sep 5 with 242 viewsHighjack

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 13:34 - Sep 5 by chad

Sorry when have I been “shown to be factually incorrect”

You were not taken in by the lies about me supposedly Saying the Governor apologised are you? There is a reason Lisa did not provide proof of that when I requested it.

I provided the link to the Guardian article to which I was referring as requested read it and listen to the video clip then tell me which part you are having trouble with.

What has Laudrup got to do with it I thought your arguments may be more cerebral than that my error.

I think you will find it is not me motor mouthing crap all over this thread.


Motor mouthing crap all over this thread is my job and I won’t have someone else muscling in.

The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 14:02 - Sep 5 with 234 viewsJango

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 13:26 - Sep 5 by JackSomething

There was always going to be a general election where they would be held to account for their Brexit choices, so not sure why that would affect their vote on A50.

The suggestion that the Remainer MP's have had this plan for three and a half years amuses me. I don't think the average MP thinks very far ahead and the idea that they would all agree on this complicated plan to keep us in the EU seems very conspiracy theory to me. I think they're mostly making it up as they go along.

You know full well why they are refusing the election at this time. Once leaving with no deal in October has been averted, their views on an election will change. If at that point the Tories and Brexit party win a combined majority on a no-deal ticket, well that will be that.


Well if they’d refused to vote to invoke article 50 at the time they would have been voted out and a leave candidate would have been voted in, meaning they had no input in overturning brexit.

You only have to look at the likes Anna Soubry. Cried for 2 years about giving people a second chance to vote but refuses to call a bi-election and give people a second chance to vote. They were happy to give people a second referendum because they knew they’d still be in parliament to try and disrupt it again if it didn’t go their way. A general election means they’ll be voted out so giving people a voice is a non starter now.

If we end up with no deal and a Johnson /Farage government it will be the remainers in parliament who are to blame.
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