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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK 23:28 - Nov 10 with 1212668 viewspikeypaul



And like a typical anti democracy remoaner he decided the will of the people should be ignored the minute the democratic result was in total fecking hypocrite 😂😂😂😂😂😂

Despite it being voted in to law by the commons the spineless two faced remoaner MPs have totally abandoned any morals and decided to ignore the will of the British people.

It will be remembered and no election or referendum will ever be the same again in this country.

The one thing that will come is a massive surge in the popularity of UKIP or a similar party in the future who stand for the 52%.

Happy Days.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 00:00 - Sep 6 with 662 viewsEbo

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 22:07 - Sep 5 by londonlisa2001

Lol. There’s always talk of someone who’ll veto.


Wouldn't that be a gross illegality Lisa, to influence a member state to do such a thing?

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 00:03 - Sep 6 with 662 viewsEbo

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 22:33 - Sep 5 by JackSomething

Wow. It takes some incredible leaps of logic to blame the problems within the NHS on doctors. Bravo.


Torys have form for this kind of thing, look at The Haunted Pencil's latest wibble where he accused a Dr of being on the same level as a recently disgraced and struck off anti-vaxxer. He's been invited to appear outside the commons to repeat what he said and try to defend it so he can be sued by said Dr.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 07:04 - Sep 6 with 585 viewsjacks777

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 21:47 - Sep 5 by majorraglan

Maybe if the NHS was better resourced your wife wouldn’t have to wait 6months because they would have more consultants to see patients and you wouldn’t have to pay.


The nhs is over resourced. What’s destroying the nhs is not a lack of money but people’s unhealthy habits.
Smoking, drinking to much, drugs, junk food, lack of exercise etc.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 07:33 - Sep 6 with 567 viewsKilkennyjack


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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 07:47 - Sep 6 with 550 viewsmajorraglan

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 07:04 - Sep 6 by jacks777

The nhs is over resourced. What’s destroying the nhs is not a lack of money but people’s unhealthy habits.
Smoking, drinking to much, drugs, junk food, lack of exercise etc.


The NHS isn’t over resourced by any stretch of the imagination but I do agree with you that smoking etc is creating huge pressures and additional strain.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 07:58 - Sep 6 with 534 viewsBrynmill_Jack

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 22:13 - Sep 5 by bluey_the_blue

The problem with the system in that instance Lisa, is that some consultants have NHS over a barrel. Work part time roles on big money - this consultant's gig was advertised at 100k previously - whilst spending time coining it in privately.

I personally think if you work in NHS, then you're working 100% within NHS. Problem is, such consultants then walk en masse.

That's not the rich causing the problem. It's those nominally claiming to care whilst coining it in.


Perhaps it’s time to outlaw all forms of private medicine then. It’s a completely foreign concept to the aims and idea of the NHS anyway. I could have had my op done now which the consultant confirmed as urgent in April (not life threatening now but left untreated could cause premature strokes and other long lasting and expensive conditions to treat).

I had a letter yesterday saying that the reason I had been waiting was there were more urgent cases than expected - and would I prefer to be taken off the waiting list!

No! I don’t want to die prematurely or be reduced to potentially needing much more NHS and social care - which would all cost infinitely more than just doing the f*cking operation ASAP.
The problem with this two tier system is that for severe life threatening conditions such as cancer , A and E etc etc the NHS is superb. The lack of funding is curbing treatments that could lead to more serious chronic illnesses which will cost as I said infinitely more. My condition at the moment makes me 50-60 per cent efficient at work and it frustrates me and stresses me because I want to be better.

It’s also led to depression (which thankfully I got treated and is no more) but one seemingly minor procedure, if not carried out promptly has the potential to snowball into a variety of much worse conditions. It’s not a new thing for me either. I was first diagnosed in 2002 and after an op that could have sorted it more or less completely out but didn’t I’ve been fighting to get further treatment for nearly 20 years, with each consultant (up until this last one) trying to tell me there’s nothing wrong, or it’s a minor condition (due to last of proper evaluation). When I was properly evaluated in an exploratory operation it was then found to be serious enough to be classed as urgent. Good thing I didn’t give up eh? Although reading yesterday’s letter made me feel that even though I’m now classed as an “urgent case” I should perhaps forget all about it.

I suppose the point of this rather boring and long winded post is that the NHS is being run as a “here and now” concern when in reality it’s management (and I do mean ultimately governments) are just treating it as the elephant in the room which if ignored will disappear on its own. In reality they’re just postponing a big rise in expense for later down the line when people deteriorate further and need much more care at a higher cost. Maybe a simplistic view but nevertheless it’s a very real problem. Full on privatization will just make this far worse. We need to keep the NHS but need also to provide for it the means to turn it from a second world service to a first world one.
And it’s not Europe who are responsible but our lazy so called governments of the last 30 to 40 years who have treated it as a political football and left it to deteriorate and fester to what we have today.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 08:13 - Sep 6 with 517 viewsLeonWasGod

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 21:18 - Sep 5 by majorraglan

The NHS is in crisis after years of under investment. Six hour waits to see someone at A and E, huge waiting lists to see physiotherapists, dentists, consultants.

There are issues with consultants in private practice, but loads have quit or are now working part time because they are getting smashed on tax in their pension savings. It’s so serious that the Dept of Health have raised it with the Treasury because it’s draining the NHS of staff.
Your average person waits months to see a specialist for an operation, meanwhile Tarquinius Ponsonby Smyth just trots down to the Private Hospital and shells out some of his tax free stash from his British Virgin Islands haul.


It’s what Aneurin Bevan would have wanted....
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 08:18 - Sep 6 with 506 viewsmonmouth

If everyone HAD to use the NHS and no queue jumping or ‘competition’ was allowed, I’m sure a lot of the issues would magically disappear. Same with schools if the rich weren’t allowed to pay to have everything that the majority can’t get. Funding? Well a fairer far more progressive tax system of course. What did we used to call this? Oh yeah, a society.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 08:22 - Sep 6 with 495 viewsLeonWasGod

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 07:58 - Sep 6 by Brynmill_Jack

Perhaps it’s time to outlaw all forms of private medicine then. It’s a completely foreign concept to the aims and idea of the NHS anyway. I could have had my op done now which the consultant confirmed as urgent in April (not life threatening now but left untreated could cause premature strokes and other long lasting and expensive conditions to treat).

I had a letter yesterday saying that the reason I had been waiting was there were more urgent cases than expected - and would I prefer to be taken off the waiting list!

No! I don’t want to die prematurely or be reduced to potentially needing much more NHS and social care - which would all cost infinitely more than just doing the f*cking operation ASAP.
The problem with this two tier system is that for severe life threatening conditions such as cancer , A and E etc etc the NHS is superb. The lack of funding is curbing treatments that could lead to more serious chronic illnesses which will cost as I said infinitely more. My condition at the moment makes me 50-60 per cent efficient at work and it frustrates me and stresses me because I want to be better.

It’s also led to depression (which thankfully I got treated and is no more) but one seemingly minor procedure, if not carried out promptly has the potential to snowball into a variety of much worse conditions. It’s not a new thing for me either. I was first diagnosed in 2002 and after an op that could have sorted it more or less completely out but didn’t I’ve been fighting to get further treatment for nearly 20 years, with each consultant (up until this last one) trying to tell me there’s nothing wrong, or it’s a minor condition (due to last of proper evaluation). When I was properly evaluated in an exploratory operation it was then found to be serious enough to be classed as urgent. Good thing I didn’t give up eh? Although reading yesterday’s letter made me feel that even though I’m now classed as an “urgent case” I should perhaps forget all about it.

I suppose the point of this rather boring and long winded post is that the NHS is being run as a “here and now” concern when in reality it’s management (and I do mean ultimately governments) are just treating it as the elephant in the room which if ignored will disappear on its own. In reality they’re just postponing a big rise in expense for later down the line when people deteriorate further and need much more care at a higher cost. Maybe a simplistic view but nevertheless it’s a very real problem. Full on privatization will just make this far worse. We need to keep the NHS but need also to provide for it the means to turn it from a second world service to a first world one.
And it’s not Europe who are responsible but our lazy so called governments of the last 30 to 40 years who have treated it as a political football and left it to deteriorate and fester to what we have today.


Top post fella, I hope you get everything sorted soon.

Matt Hancock said he wanted more focus on prevention, in his defence. Although he also said ‘no more privatisation on my watch” whilst handing out large private contracts, so it’s hard to believe him.

I’m struggling to reconcile the apparent contradiction of some on here who are saying they support privatisation (& are aggressively anti-nationalisation), yet at the same time criticise the people in the system for operating in a way the system intends.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 08:30 - Sep 6 with 485 viewsBrynmill_Jack

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 08:22 - Sep 6 by LeonWasGod

Top post fella, I hope you get everything sorted soon.

Matt Hancock said he wanted more focus on prevention, in his defence. Although he also said ‘no more privatisation on my watch” whilst handing out large private contracts, so it’s hard to believe him.

I’m struggling to reconcile the apparent contradiction of some on here who are saying they support privatisation (& are aggressively anti-nationalisation), yet at the same time criticise the people in the system for operating in a way the system intends.


Yes thanks mate Good post yourself. It’s what irritates me more than anything on this board, the political blame game over the funding (or rather underfunding) of the NHS. It’s too serious to be a partisan party issue and far too precious to lose. Britain was a shining light in the world when it was created and it was rightfully something to be tremendously proud of. Probably everyone on here has a good and a bad story to tell about the NHS. I sincerely hope there can be a cross party commitment to earmark higher funding for the NHS and to fight its corner for the good of every uk citizen.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 08:49 - Sep 6 with 467 viewscostalotta

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 07:04 - Sep 6 by jacks777

The nhs is over resourced. What’s destroying the nhs is not a lack of money but people’s unhealthy habits.
Smoking, drinking to much, drugs, junk food, lack of exercise etc.


The NHS is over resourced? May I ask what draws you to that conclusion?
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 09:04 - Sep 6 with 455 viewsGowerjack

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 08:18 - Sep 6 by monmouth

If everyone HAD to use the NHS and no queue jumping or ‘competition’ was allowed, I’m sure a lot of the issues would magically disappear. Same with schools if the rich weren’t allowed to pay to have everything that the majority can’t get. Funding? Well a fairer far more progressive tax system of course. What did we used to call this? Oh yeah, a society.


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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 09:06 - Sep 6 with 448 viewsGowerjack

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 08:49 - Sep 6 by costalotta

The NHS is over resourced? May I ask what draws you to that conclusion?


His narrow minded self interested lack of intelligence probably...

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 09:17 - Sep 6 with 425 viewsBrynmill_Jack

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 09:06 - Sep 6 by Gowerjack

His narrow minded self interested lack of intelligence probably...


It’s DGT again isn’t it. He’s like the man in the pub when comes over to sit at your table and bore the f*ck out of you with incorrect assumptions and drivel due to a terminal lack of education.

At least you can leave a pub though.....

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 09:43 - Sep 6 with 390 viewsJoe_bradshaw

The NHS (and education) is far too important to be under the control of politicians. In my Utopia it would be taken out of politics and a body set up with politicians from all sides, medical professionals and patient groups represented. An adult discussion about funding would need to take place and a long term strategy agreed which would be followed by all governments. Short term thinking (until the next election) leads to waste and many of the problems we see today.

I’ll keep on dreaming.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 09:53 - Sep 6 with 376 viewsjacks777

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 08:49 - Sep 6 by costalotta

The NHS is over resourced? May I ask what draws you to that conclusion?


Simple. If people took responsibility for their own lives billions would be saved and could then be spent on people who have have become ill through no fault of their own.
Basically if you want to help the nhs, give up smoking, drugs, junk food and exercise more.

The reality is though people are to selfish and will continue to abuse their bodies and expect the nhs to come to the rescue.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 09:57 - Sep 6 with 371 viewsjacks777

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 09:17 - Sep 6 by Brynmill_Jack

It’s DGT again isn’t it. He’s like the man in the pub when comes over to sit at your table and bore the f*ck out of you with incorrect assumptions and drivel due to a terminal lack of education.

At least you can leave a pub though.....


I can tell that you smoke, eat junk food and take no exercise.
Be responsible - tw@t.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 09:58 - Sep 6 with 372 viewscostalotta

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 09:06 - Sep 6 by Gowerjack

His narrow minded self interested lack of intelligence probably...


My wife works as a nurse in the NHS within the field of oncology. Not a shift goes by without her either coming home in tears or phoning to say she is working on because there are not enough staff, sometimes they can’t even do a handover as they too busy. She does stay on...sometimes for 3 or 4 hours. She’s not compensated for this.

She has to put up with massive under resourcing.
Abuse from a minority of patients, actually it’s mainly families. Some of that is understandable (we all want the best care right) but she simply cannot slice her time any thinner. It’s not her fault yet she and others are abused for exactly that.

It’s Tory policies and not the fault of the NHS nurses, so you jack777 are an idiot f you think the NHS is over resourced. I hope not, but one day may may need the NHS so don’t surprised if what goes around comes around.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 09:59 - Sep 6 with 365 viewsjacks777

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 09:06 - Sep 6 by Gowerjack

His narrow minded self interested lack of intelligence probably...


Another one who doesn’t like to hear the truth.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 10:06 - Sep 6 with 364 viewscostalotta

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 09:57 - Sep 6 by jacks777

I can tell that you smoke, eat junk food and take no exercise.
Be responsible - tw@t.


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Out of interest how do you know that?

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 10:07 - Sep 6 with 357 viewsjacks777

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 09:58 - Sep 6 by costalotta

My wife works as a nurse in the NHS within the field of oncology. Not a shift goes by without her either coming home in tears or phoning to say she is working on because there are not enough staff, sometimes they can’t even do a handover as they too busy. She does stay on...sometimes for 3 or 4 hours. She’s not compensated for this.

She has to put up with massive under resourcing.
Abuse from a minority of patients, actually it’s mainly families. Some of that is understandable (we all want the best care right) but she simply cannot slice her time any thinner. It’s not her fault yet she and others are abused for exactly that.

It’s Tory policies and not the fault of the NHS nurses, so you jack777 are an idiot f you think the NHS is over resourced. I hope not, but one day may may need the NHS so don’t surprised if what goes around comes around.


You are missing the point. Improving people’s health shouldn’t start the day you enter hospital, by then for many it’s to late. Take responsibility for your own lifestyle would save the nhs billions each year and free up hospital beds 🛏 etc.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 10:09 - Sep 6 with 355 viewscostalotta

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 10:07 - Sep 6 by jacks777

You are missing the point. Improving people’s health shouldn’t start the day you enter hospital, by then for many it’s to late. Take responsibility for your own lifestyle would save the nhs billions each year and free up hospital beds 🛏 etc.


No.

Your missing the point and a lot more. Plus, you think you know the lives and lifestyles of posters on here. Mate, your describing your own life.

The conversation is about the statement you made which was the NHS is over resourced not the lifestyle of people (yours specifically).
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 10:13 - Sep 6 with 347 viewsjacks777

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 10:09 - Sep 6 by costalotta

No.

Your missing the point and a lot more. Plus, you think you know the lives and lifestyles of posters on here. Mate, your describing your own life.

The conversation is about the statement you made which was the NHS is over resourced not the lifestyle of people (yours specifically).
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I don’t drink, smoke , or take drugs so hardly describing my life.
I’m talking about people in general not just on here.
How much nhs money is spent on Illnesses caused by smoking, drinking, drugs etc ?
I’ll tell you absolute billions each year.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 10:19 - Sep 6 with 340 viewsHighjack

Most beds in hospitals are taken up by the elderly, many of whom did look after themselves. Many of them are suffering from things that are just untreatable, dementia, frailty, confusion, just because of their age. We are living longer and longer which a lot of people see as a good thing, but I’m not so sure. Care for the elderly is just going to get worse. My 97 year old gran was in hospital for three months on a waiting list while we waited for a space to open at a care home. The whole ward was taken up by similar people in their eighties and nineties. All untreatable and suffering from the natural effects of extreme old age.

It’s only going to get worse.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 10:21 - Sep 6 with 337 viewscostalotta

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 10:13 - Sep 6 by jacks777

I don’t drink, smoke , or take drugs so hardly describing my life.
I’m talking about people in general not just on here.
How much nhs money is spent on Illnesses caused by smoking, drinking, drugs etc ?
I’ll tell you absolute billions each year.


It’s obvious, of course you do...and you chomp regularly on fast food. One only has to read your posts and have a very elementary understanding of psychology to figure that and you out.
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