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And like a typical anti democracy remoaner he decided the will of the people should be ignored the minute the democratic result was in total fecking hypocrite 😂😂😂😂😂😂

Despite it being voted in to law by the commons the spineless two faced remoaner MPs have totally abandoned any morals and decided to ignore the will of the British people.

It will be remembered and no election or referendum will ever be the same again in this country.

The one thing that will come is a massive surge in the popularity of UKIP or a similar party in the future who stand for the 52%.

Happy Days.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 10:30 - Sep 6 with 499 viewsGowerjack

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 09:59 - Sep 6 by jacks777

Another one who doesn’t like to hear the truth.


Says an individual who neither knows or understands the truth.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 10:31 - Sep 6 with 492 viewsjacks777

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 10:21 - Sep 6 by costalotta

It’s obvious, of course you do...and you chomp regularly on fast food. One only has to read your posts and have a very elementary understanding of psychology to figure that and you out.


It’s not my fault you can’t handle the truth.
It’s not extra money that will improve the nhs. It’s improving people’s unhealthy habits that will.
Unfortunately people like you are just to daft to see it.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 10:33 - Sep 6 with 485 viewsGowerjack

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 10:13 - Sep 6 by jacks777

I don’t drink, smoke , or take drugs so hardly describing my life.
I’m talking about people in general not just on here.
How much nhs money is spent on Illnesses caused by smoking, drinking, drugs etc ?
I’ll tell you absolute billions each year.


I don't drink smoke or take drugs either yet last year I was diagnosed with cancer which the NHS dealt with in a very effective manner.

Odd that isn't it.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 10:38 - Sep 6 with 466 viewsjacks777

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 10:33 - Sep 6 by Gowerjack

I don't drink smoke or take drugs either yet last year I was diagnosed with cancer which the NHS dealt with in a very effective manner.

Odd that isn't it.


What has that got to do with things ?
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 10:38 - Sep 6 with 471 viewsHighjack

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 10:33 - Sep 6 by Gowerjack

I don't drink smoke or take drugs either yet last year I was diagnosed with cancer which the NHS dealt with in a very effective manner.

Odd that isn't it.


Smoking and drinking should be banned. People should be fed a compulsory government approved diet and follow a government enforced exercise programme. Failure to comply results in immediate execution.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 10:44 - Sep 6 with 449 viewsjacks777

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 10:38 - Sep 6 by Highjack

Smoking and drinking should be banned. People should be fed a compulsory government approved diet and follow a government enforced exercise programme. Failure to comply results in immediate execution.


No people should be allowed to do what they want. Just don’t cry when things go wrong and moan about nhs waiting times etc.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 10:48 - Sep 6 with 444 viewscostalotta

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 10:19 - Sep 6 by Highjack

Most beds in hospitals are taken up by the elderly, many of whom did look after themselves. Many of them are suffering from things that are just untreatable, dementia, frailty, confusion, just because of their age. We are living longer and longer which a lot of people see as a good thing, but I’m not so sure. Care for the elderly is just going to get worse. My 97 year old gran was in hospital for three months on a waiting list while we waited for a space to open at a care home. The whole ward was taken up by similar people in their eighties and nineties. All untreatable and suffering from the natural effects of extreme old age.

It’s only going to get worse.


I’m sorry to hear that and you do make some reasonable points. Many beds are taken up by the elderly, but why aren’t the families doing more? Taking some of the responsibility for care? Also, why does it take social services so long involved and conduct their assessments etc.

HJ (not having a go) but why did you and your family not do you do more to help your Gran and alleviate they stain on the NHS? Especially as they are under resourced. Some within the NHS do believe that families can and should be a lot more in this area.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 10:51 - Sep 6 with 431 viewsLeonWasGod

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 10:19 - Sep 6 by Highjack

Most beds in hospitals are taken up by the elderly, many of whom did look after themselves. Many of them are suffering from things that are just untreatable, dementia, frailty, confusion, just because of their age. We are living longer and longer which a lot of people see as a good thing, but I’m not so sure. Care for the elderly is just going to get worse. My 97 year old gran was in hospital for three months on a waiting list while we waited for a space to open at a care home. The whole ward was taken up by similar people in their eighties and nineties. All untreatable and suffering from the natural effects of extreme old age.

It’s only going to get worse.


They shouldn't be letting themselves get old should they. 777/DGT will show 'em. He's not going to chose that unhealthy aging thing that lazy people do.


Good post.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 10:53 - Sep 6 with 423 viewsJoe_bradshaw

Euthanasia rules!

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 10:53 - Sep 6 with 417 viewsjacks777

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 10:51 - Sep 6 by LeonWasGod

They shouldn't be letting themselves get old should they. 777/DGT will show 'em. He's not going to chose that unhealthy aging thing that lazy people do.


Good post.


Where have I said that ? You have become hysterical.
Pull yourself together mun.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 10:54 - Sep 6 with 412 viewsLeonWasGod

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 10:48 - Sep 6 by costalotta

I’m sorry to hear that and you do make some reasonable points. Many beds are taken up by the elderly, but why aren’t the families doing more? Taking some of the responsibility for care? Also, why does it take social services so long involved and conduct their assessments etc.

HJ (not having a go) but why did you and your family not do you do more to help your Gran and alleviate they stain on the NHS? Especially as they are under resourced. Some within the NHS do believe that families can and should be a lot more in this area.


Because families have been fragmented and live apart these days, probably. My old fella's 5 hours away, for example. Bit hard to help daily over that sort of distance; last thing he wants is to move away from his friends. Last thing he'd want is for us to give up our lives/jobs to move closer to him. There's a lot of factors in play and it's not simple in some cases.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 10:56 - Sep 6 with 403 viewsLeonWasGod

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 10:53 - Sep 6 by jacks777

Where have I said that ? You have become hysterical.
Pull yourself together mun.


I didn't say you did say it.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 10:57 - Sep 6 with 395 viewsLeonWasGod

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 10:53 - Sep 6 by Joe_bradshaw

Euthanasia rules!


A cull? But make a competition out of it, so a Hunger Games for the old, infirm and vulnerable. Or just keep on electing Tory governments, as the end result is along similar lines. So many choices
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 11:01 - Sep 6 with 391 viewscostalotta

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 10:54 - Sep 6 by LeonWasGod

Because families have been fragmented and live apart these days, probably. My old fella's 5 hours away, for example. Bit hard to help daily over that sort of distance; last thing he wants is to move away from his friends. Last thing he'd want is for us to give up our lives/jobs to move closer to him. There's a lot of factors in play and it's not simple in some cases.


I hear that and have direct experience of what you describe. My grandfather dies in hospital while waiting for a place in care. We wanted him home but just ran out of time. I’m not blaming anyone for that it’s just a sad...end.

HJ was 100% right. But we shouldn’t be using that as a stick to hit the NHS with, not that I think he was.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 11:39 - Sep 6 with 364 viewsCatullus

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 09:58 - Sep 6 by costalotta

My wife works as a nurse in the NHS within the field of oncology. Not a shift goes by without her either coming home in tears or phoning to say she is working on because there are not enough staff, sometimes they can’t even do a handover as they too busy. She does stay on...sometimes for 3 or 4 hours. She’s not compensated for this.

She has to put up with massive under resourcing.
Abuse from a minority of patients, actually it’s mainly families. Some of that is understandable (we all want the best care right) but she simply cannot slice her time any thinner. It’s not her fault yet she and others are abused for exactly that.

It’s Tory policies and not the fault of the NHS nurses, so you jack777 are an idiot f you think the NHS is over resourced. I hope not, but one day may may need the NHS so don’t surprised if what goes around comes around.


I really need o correct one thing, it's not just Tory policies. The last Labour government (so called) was hugely responsible for sneaking privatisation in the NHS. It's been common to both Labour and Tory in the last 30 years.
My sister in a specialist Oncology nurse, my wife works in dietetics, I have friends who are nurses, Paramedics and support staff and all say the same things. There is a shortage of funding AND massive waste in the NHS as well as poor management at higher levels. I mean, who signs a contract that means it's more expensive for a hospital to dispense paracetamol than to buy them in a chemist?
The reasons ambulances are often late arriving, they are stuck outside A&E because there's no empty beds to transfer their passengers over, we have fewer hospital beds now than even 10 years ago despite the population rise.

Jack777 is partially right, we do need to take more responsibility for our own health but it's not the simple cure he akes out, people get ill for no apparent reason and just sometimes the doctor gives you tablets for one problem that end up causing another problem. I was given pain killers because I was struggling to walk because of pain in my hip (at the time I was at the top of the waiting list for a full hip replacement) but those pain killers damaged my liver, I was actually close to cirrhosis and as a result my hip operation was delayed. 18 months later and I've still not had it which makes it over 3 years since I first went on the list.

There are so many reasons for ill health including air pollution (not so easy to escape jack777) poor diet (maybe because of a low income) genetics (which you definitely can't escape and a reason behind my arthritic joints) so it's not just all about smoking, alcohol and drugs. If only it was that simple.
Relatively speaking, we have it better than many other countries.

On the original post, having just returned from Rhodes, I was aksed by a Greek man why our politicians were so obviously corrupt? He was 31, he said the Uk voted leave but he doubted it would happen. personally he was a fan of the EU, his name was Vangelis!! Another man (called Nikos, took us on a lovely jeep ride across the island, told us some of it's history) who is closer to my age, mid 50's, he was anti EU. He was angry about the way Greece was treated and he hated the Germans (has a bugbear about war reparations apparently) so it seems the age split over the EU is duplicated elsewhere, at least for these two.

Vangelis was the son of the owner of "Chrysanthi apartments" in Pefkos and I can thoroughly recommend them, a lovely place, good food and excellent service.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 11:48 - Sep 6 with 341 viewscostalotta

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 11:39 - Sep 6 by Catullus

I really need o correct one thing, it's not just Tory policies. The last Labour government (so called) was hugely responsible for sneaking privatisation in the NHS. It's been common to both Labour and Tory in the last 30 years.
My sister in a specialist Oncology nurse, my wife works in dietetics, I have friends who are nurses, Paramedics and support staff and all say the same things. There is a shortage of funding AND massive waste in the NHS as well as poor management at higher levels. I mean, who signs a contract that means it's more expensive for a hospital to dispense paracetamol than to buy them in a chemist?
The reasons ambulances are often late arriving, they are stuck outside A&E because there's no empty beds to transfer their passengers over, we have fewer hospital beds now than even 10 years ago despite the population rise.

Jack777 is partially right, we do need to take more responsibility for our own health but it's not the simple cure he akes out, people get ill for no apparent reason and just sometimes the doctor gives you tablets for one problem that end up causing another problem. I was given pain killers because I was struggling to walk because of pain in my hip (at the time I was at the top of the waiting list for a full hip replacement) but those pain killers damaged my liver, I was actually close to cirrhosis and as a result my hip operation was delayed. 18 months later and I've still not had it which makes it over 3 years since I first went on the list.

There are so many reasons for ill health including air pollution (not so easy to escape jack777) poor diet (maybe because of a low income) genetics (which you definitely can't escape and a reason behind my arthritic joints) so it's not just all about smoking, alcohol and drugs. If only it was that simple.
Relatively speaking, we have it better than many other countries.

On the original post, having just returned from Rhodes, I was aksed by a Greek man why our politicians were so obviously corrupt? He was 31, he said the Uk voted leave but he doubted it would happen. personally he was a fan of the EU, his name was Vangelis!! Another man (called Nikos, took us on a lovely jeep ride across the island, told us some of it's history) who is closer to my age, mid 50's, he was anti EU. He was angry about the way Greece was treated and he hated the Germans (has a bugbear about war reparations apparently) so it seems the age split over the EU is duplicated elsewhere, at least for these two.

Vangelis was the son of the owner of "Chrysanthi apartments" in Pefkos and I can thoroughly recommend them, a lovely place, good food and excellent service.


Sorry to hear that.

Perhaps your sister knows my wife.

I agree with you to a certain degree regarding not only Tory policies but they have been in power and responsible for 9 years.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 11:48 - Sep 6 with 341 viewswaynekerr55

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 10:53 - Sep 6 by Joe_bradshaw

Euthanasia rules!


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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 11:59 - Sep 6 with 326 viewsCatullus

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 11:48 - Sep 6 by costalotta

Sorry to hear that.

Perhaps your sister knows my wife.

I agree with you to a certain degree regarding not only Tory policies but they have been in power and responsible for 9 years.


My sister used to work in Velindre, Cardiff but left the NHS years back and went to work for a cancer charity.
She just had enough of giving out end of life care and watching people die in agony. many of those people were much nicer and far more understanding than the drunken pr?cks you see shouting at A&E staff because they had to wait for their self inflicted injury to be dealt with. It must be very hard to become friendly with so many people that you know will be dead in a few weeks, I certainly couldn't do it.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 12:15 - Sep 6 with 309 viewsthe_oracle

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 10:48 - Sep 6 by costalotta

I’m sorry to hear that and you do make some reasonable points. Many beds are taken up by the elderly, but why aren’t the families doing more? Taking some of the responsibility for care? Also, why does it take social services so long involved and conduct their assessments etc.

HJ (not having a go) but why did you and your family not do you do more to help your Gran and alleviate they stain on the NHS? Especially as they are under resourced. Some within the NHS do believe that families can and should be a lot more in this area.


In the course of work I have spoken to many people who have family members with suffer with dementia. They deal with parents who are no longer who they once were. The sufferers are often violent, incontinent, untrusting, scared and frightened. The family carers are not trained and without help from the social services they are helpless. They can't don't more than they can, but feel guilty asking for help as its their parents, they feel beholden, but are at their wits end as they just don't know what to do. But the help is not there. All they can do is get them to hospital for safety and for care.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 11:59 - Sep 6 by Catullus

My sister used to work in Velindre, Cardiff but left the NHS years back and went to work for a cancer charity.
She just had enough of giving out end of life care and watching people die in agony. many of those people were much nicer and far more understanding than the drunken pr?cks you see shouting at A&E staff because they had to wait for their self inflicted injury to be dealt with. It must be very hard to become friendly with so many people that you know will be dead in a few weeks, I certainly couldn't do it.


My wife wants out on a daily basis but she just cannot due her values etc. I’ve been trying to persuade her to come and work with me but she’s a nurse through and through and it’s what she’s done since she started her training at 18 years old. She worked in Oncology since she was about 26.

I think though I’ve persuaded her that we will both retire when we hit 55.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 12:15 - Sep 6 by the_oracle

In the course of work I have spoken to many people who have family members with suffer with dementia. They deal with parents who are no longer who they once were. The sufferers are often violent, incontinent, untrusting, scared and frightened. The family carers are not trained and without help from the social services they are helpless. They can't don't more than they can, but feel guilty asking for help as its their parents, they feel beholden, but are at their wits end as they just don't know what to do. But the help is not there. All they can do is get them to hospital for safety and for care.


It’s awful isn’t it and I don’t know what the answer is. But what I do know is it’s jot the nurses nor the NHS fault. To me it sounds like a complete dereliction of duty of the government. But instead they’ve turned us on each other.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 12:25 - Sep 6 with 294 viewsHighjack

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 10:48 - Sep 6 by costalotta

I’m sorry to hear that and you do make some reasonable points. Many beds are taken up by the elderly, but why aren’t the families doing more? Taking some of the responsibility for care? Also, why does it take social services so long involved and conduct their assessments etc.

HJ (not having a go) but why did you and your family not do you do more to help your Gran and alleviate they stain on the NHS? Especially as they are under resourced. Some within the NHS do believe that families can and should be a lot more in this area.


My parents looked after her for about two years before she went in. Literally carrying her to the toilet etc. They’re in their seventies themselves. My mum was waiting for two new hips, in utter agony but was still carrying her. No sleep because my gran was screaming out all night every night not knowing where she was. She had to go into hospital eventually because she had a serious water infection. My parents, all of us we couldn’t have done anymore.

If it was up to my parents she would have come back to live with them after coming out of hospital but the doctor took control of her medical decisions and said it wasn’t possible.

It’s not that simple.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 12:30 - Sep 6 with 284 viewscostalotta

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 12:25 - Sep 6 by Highjack

My parents looked after her for about two years before she went in. Literally carrying her to the toilet etc. They’re in their seventies themselves. My mum was waiting for two new hips, in utter agony but was still carrying her. No sleep because my gran was screaming out all night every night not knowing where she was. She had to go into hospital eventually because she had a serious water infection. My parents, all of us we couldn’t have done anymore.

If it was up to my parents she would have come back to live with them after coming out of hospital but the doctor took control of her medical decisions and said it wasn’t possible.

It’s not that simple.


It’s just awful and I’m sorry to hear that.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 12:31 - Sep 6 with 283 viewsCatullus

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 12:20 - Sep 6 by costalotta

It’s awful isn’t it and I don’t know what the answer is. But what I do know is it’s jot the nurses nor the NHS fault. To me it sounds like a complete dereliction of duty of the government. But instead they’ve turned us on each other.
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That leads me directly to one of the reasons I voted leave! We have too many politicans and the more we allow to exist, the more they screw up the world for the rest of us whilst they coin it in at our expense.
The NHS should be a UK thing, not split up into devolved areas, the WAG has done immense damage.
We have duplicated admin, postcode lotteries, different standards, all because we have 4 governments running a National service, politicians just make a mess whatever they touch. Lots more I could say but I have to go now. I hope, Costalotta, your wife gets out before she gets as damaged as my sister was, hopefully before she's damaged at all. She's doing a fantastic and very difficult job, say thank you from me.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 12:48 - Sep 6 with 270 viewssherpajacob

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 12:31 - Sep 6 by Catullus

That leads me directly to one of the reasons I voted leave! We have too many politicans and the more we allow to exist, the more they screw up the world for the rest of us whilst they coin it in at our expense.
The NHS should be a UK thing, not split up into devolved areas, the WAG has done immense damage.
We have duplicated admin, postcode lotteries, different standards, all because we have 4 governments running a National service, politicians just make a mess whatever they touch. Lots more I could say but I have to go now. I hope, Costalotta, your wife gets out before she gets as damaged as my sister was, hopefully before she's damaged at all. She's doing a fantastic and very difficult job, say thank you from me.


Sounds like your making the case for us having more unelected expert bureaucrats.

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