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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK 23:28 - Nov 10 with 1129144 viewspikeypaul



And like a typical anti democracy remoaner he decided the will of the people should be ignored the minute the democratic result was in total fecking hypocrite 😂😂😂😂😂😂

Despite it being voted in to law by the commons the spineless two faced remoaner MPs have totally abandoned any morals and decided to ignore the will of the British people.

It will be remembered and no election or referendum will ever be the same again in this country.

The one thing that will come is a massive surge in the popularity of UKIP or a similar party in the future who stand for the 52%.

Happy Days.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 11:21 - Sep 21 with 737 viewswaynekerr55

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 09:12 - Sep 21 by WarwickHunt

We’re going to negotiate a better WA (😂) and then vote against it. 😂😂😂
Although Jezza will vote for it. 😂😂😂😂😂😂


Playing a blinder, mun.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 13:05 - Sep 21 with 671 viewsCatullus

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 19:06 - Sep 20 by londonlisa2001

Because the current withdrawal agreement actually allows for several scenarios, the backstop is simply one of them.

One scenario is a customs union, one is unspecified (as no one can think of any that work) ‘alternative arrangements’ and one is the backstop. There may be more. I can’t remember.

What the talks at the moment are doing is exploring the ‘alternative arrangements’ to see if they can find any that work. If they do, the backstop is redundant. That’s always been the case. So the withdrawal agreement itself is unchanged from its current form (just the backstop bit is not needed).

The EU have said from the start that if everyone can agree on alternative arrangements, the backstop falls away. Remember that the backstop is our suggestion, not the EU’s suggestion, as we couldn’t think of any alternative arrangements that work. Still can’t. So nothing has been reopened.


The backstop is part of the withdrawal agreement and they have reopened talks about the backstop, yet according to you they haven't reopened talks because the agreement allowed for several scenarios?

It's simple, they have reopened talks about a part of the withdrawal agreement, without the backstop or another suitable plan there is no agreement. If, during the reopened talks they find a suitable alternative it will replace the backstop and become part of the withdrawal agreement.
You also say "the wihdrawal agreement itself is unchanged from it's current form (just the backstop bit is not needed)" except the WA is changed because the backstop would have been deleted and replaced with another plan.

Just my opinion, but WTF do I know anyway?
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 13:22 - Sep 21 with 661 viewsWarwickHunt

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 13:05 - Sep 21 by Catullus

The backstop is part of the withdrawal agreement and they have reopened talks about the backstop, yet according to you they haven't reopened talks because the agreement allowed for several scenarios?

It's simple, they have reopened talks about a part of the withdrawal agreement, without the backstop or another suitable plan there is no agreement. If, during the reopened talks they find a suitable alternative it will replace the backstop and become part of the withdrawal agreement.
You also say "the wihdrawal agreement itself is unchanged from it's current form (just the backstop bit is not needed)" except the WA is changed because the backstop would have been deleted and replaced with another plan.


The EU says there must be a legally operable plan for avoiding a hard border on the island of Ireland in any withdrawal agreement and it will not accept a deal based on a promise.

Until Johnson delivers on that, the WA won’t be reopened.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 15:22 - Sep 21 with 618 viewsLeonWasGod

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 13:05 - Sep 21 by Catullus

The backstop is part of the withdrawal agreement and they have reopened talks about the backstop, yet according to you they haven't reopened talks because the agreement allowed for several scenarios?

It's simple, they have reopened talks about a part of the withdrawal agreement, without the backstop or another suitable plan there is no agreement. If, during the reopened talks they find a suitable alternative it will replace the backstop and become part of the withdrawal agreement.
You also say "the wihdrawal agreement itself is unchanged from it's current form (just the backstop bit is not needed)" except the WA is changed because the backstop would have been deleted and replaced with another plan.


The WA (and subsequent Strasbourg Agreement relating to it) allows for changes to the backstop, if agreed by the UK and the EU. There’s specific provisions within it to do so, which is why these discussions can take place without reopening the (rest of) WA. (I think).
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 15:22 - Sep 21 by LeonWasGod

The WA (and subsequent Strasbourg Agreement relating to it) allows for changes to the backstop, if agreed by the UK and the EU. There’s specific provisions within it to do so, which is why these discussions can take place without reopening the (rest of) WA. (I think).
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I wouldn’t bother. Cats has got huge form for failing to understand simple concepts even when he provides links that prove the opposite of the thing he thinks they prove.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 16:20 - Sep 21 with 582 viewsWarwickHunt

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 16:16 - Sep 21 by exiledclaseboy

I wouldn’t bother. Cats has got huge form for failing to understand simple concepts even when he provides links that prove the opposite of the thing he thinks they prove.


It’s a trait prevalent in Brexiters.

I can’t think why...
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 22:11 - Sep 21 with 507 viewsCatullus

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 16:16 - Sep 21 by exiledclaseboy

I wouldn’t bother. Cats has got huge form for failing to understand simple concepts even when he provides links that prove the opposite of the thing he thinks they prove.


Just for fun,



I have been saying the backstop is part of the WA yet remainers disagree. Now ECB, full fact say it's part of the WA and here's another link stating the backstop is "within the withdrawal agreement"

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/12/brexit-jargon-backstop-deal-17-key-terms-

Fullfact says this....

The “Irish backstop” is effectively an insurance policy in UK-EU Brexit negotiations. It’s meant to make sure that the Irish border remains open (as it is today) whatever the outcome of the UK and the EU’s negotiations about their future relationship after Brexit.

The backstop is part of the draft withdrawal agreement negotiated between Theresa May’s government and the EU.

you lot are saying it's not part of the WA but their last line states it is. So ECB, tell me the backstop is not part of the draft withdrawal agreement and fullfact are wrong.

Even the BBC says it's part of the WA,

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-politics-44615404

Maybe this is just remainers refusing to accept something they don't want to be true?

Just my opinion, but WTF do I know anyway?
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 09:00 - Sep 22 with 442 viewsmonmouth

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 22:11 - Sep 21 by Catullus

Just for fun,



I have been saying the backstop is part of the WA yet remainers disagree. Now ECB, full fact say it's part of the WA and here's another link stating the backstop is "within the withdrawal agreement"

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/12/brexit-jargon-backstop-deal-17-key-terms-

Fullfact says this....

The “Irish backstop” is effectively an insurance policy in UK-EU Brexit negotiations. It’s meant to make sure that the Irish border remains open (as it is today) whatever the outcome of the UK and the EU’s negotiations about their future relationship after Brexit.

The backstop is part of the draft withdrawal agreement negotiated between Theresa May’s government and the EU.

you lot are saying it's not part of the WA but their last line states it is. So ECB, tell me the backstop is not part of the draft withdrawal agreement and fullfact are wrong.

Even the BBC says it's part of the WA,

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-politics-44615404

Maybe this is just remainers refusing to accept something they don't want to be true?


Have you read what Lisa and ECB have actually said, rather than what you would have preferred them to say?

The irony in your last line is off the planet.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 09:10 - Sep 22 with 431 viewsGowerjack

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 15:22 - Sep 21 by LeonWasGod

The WA (and subsequent Strasbourg Agreement relating to it) allows for changes to the backstop, if agreed by the UK and the EU. There’s specific provisions within it to do so, which is why these discussions can take place without reopening the (rest of) WA. (I think).
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Catallus

Read this very slowly.

Take as long as you need.

Anything you don't understand please ask.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 09:18 - Sep 22 with 420 viewsJango

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 19:35 - Sep 20 by londonlisa2001

Barclay said we need another year.

Although that’s only to get to a point where we can operate arrangements that don’t work anyway. Largely because Johnson didn’t realise the Irish do a lot more than grow potatoes these days. Hence him saying to Barclay etc that he didn’t realise the SPS arrangements didn’t solve the problem (obviously that was a lie according to Bluey and Jango).


I just take all these ‘leaks’ coming from all angles at the moment with a pinch of salt. If it’s something you want to hear though it’s filed as absolute fact in your head.



Juncker seems to agree in this instance.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 09:21 - Sep 22 with 415 viewsWarwickHunt

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I just take all these ‘leaks’ coming from all angles at the moment with a pinch of salt. If it’s something you want to hear though it’s filed as absolute fact in your head.



Juncker seems to agree in this instance.


Christ - you’re fûcking dim...
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 10:20 - Sep 22 with 392 viewsJango

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 09:21 - Sep 22 by WarwickHunt

Christ - you’re fûcking dim...


FFS stop repeating yourself you boring, decrepit old man.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 10:27 - Sep 22 with 387 viewsWarwickHunt

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 10:20 - Sep 22 by Jango

FFS stop repeating yourself you boring, decrepit old man.


PM me your details and I’ll introduce you to a Nigerian prince with a fabulous business opportunity.

You. Fûcking. Aching. Simpleton.
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PM me your details and I’ll introduce you to a Nigerian prince with a fabulous business opportunity.

You. Fûcking. Aching. Simpleton.


Please do. Maybe I’ll be able to afford a garage on your street then.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 10:52 - Sep 22 with 349 viewsexiledclaseboy

Ah, David Starkey. National treasure.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 10:52 - Sep 22 by exiledclaseboy

Ah, David Starkey. National treasure.


Na that would be major, Blair and Clegg.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 11:44 - Sep 22 with 330 viewsoh_tommy_tommy

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 11:21 - Sep 21 by waynekerr55

Playing a blinder, mun.


You’ll have your people’s vote


It’s seems you don’t want it anymore ?

You’ve turned into a Liberal Democrat without the democracy .

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 12:01 - Sep 22 with 313 viewsexiledclaseboy

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 22:11 - Sep 21 by Catullus

Just for fun,



I have been saying the backstop is part of the WA yet remainers disagree. Now ECB, full fact say it's part of the WA and here's another link stating the backstop is "within the withdrawal agreement"

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/12/brexit-jargon-backstop-deal-17-key-terms-

Fullfact says this....

The “Irish backstop” is effectively an insurance policy in UK-EU Brexit negotiations. It’s meant to make sure that the Irish border remains open (as it is today) whatever the outcome of the UK and the EU’s negotiations about their future relationship after Brexit.

The backstop is part of the draft withdrawal agreement negotiated between Theresa May’s government and the EU.

you lot are saying it's not part of the WA but their last line states it is. So ECB, tell me the backstop is not part of the draft withdrawal agreement and fullfact are wrong.

Even the BBC says it's part of the WA,

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-politics-44615404

Maybe this is just remainers refusing to accept something they don't want to be true?


God you’re dull.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 12:10 - Sep 22 with 303 viewsBrynmill_Jack

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 11:44 - Sep 22 by oh_tommy_tommy

You’ll have your people’s vote


It’s seems you don’t want it anymore ?

You’ve turned into a Liberal Democrat without the democracy .


The remainers' position, typically. Let the "higher classes" decide. Usually it's the Welsh exiles , i.e. the people who chose not to live here who are condemning the Welsh electorate's overwhelming vote to leave.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 12:11 - Sep 22 with 300 viewswaynekerr55

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 11:44 - Sep 22 by oh_tommy_tommy

You’ll have your people’s vote


It’s seems you don’t want it anymore ?

You’ve turned into a Liberal Democrat without the democracy .


Au contraire, Tom.

Devil in the detail, fine sir. LDs position is to revoke and they'd have a mandate, but as they wouldn't have a majority it's not going to happen. For all of their faults you know where they stand.

Labour are a fúcking embarrassment. Let's face it Corbyn is the puppet for Red Len, Milne et al. who (a) want Brexit and (b) won't be affected by the fall out.

For the many, if the many are defined as those with gold plated pensions and no money worries.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 12:14 - Sep 22 with 292 viewswaynekerr55

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The remainers' position, typically. Let the "higher classes" decide. Usually it's the Welsh exiles , i.e. the people who chose not to live here who are condemning the Welsh electorate's overwhelming vote to leave.


Genuine question Brynny. How will Brexit benefit Wales?

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Ah, David Starkey. National treasure.


Didn't he used to post on here?

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 12:31 - Sep 22 with 271 viewsJoe_bradshaw

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 12:14 - Sep 22 by waynekerr55

Genuine question Brynny. How will Brexit benefit Wales?


It's a mystery.

I wouldn't call 52.5 to 47.5 overwhelming either.

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