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OUT WITH A DEAL EATING OUR CAKE AND LOVING IT suck it up remoaners
And like a typical anti democracy remoaner he decided the will of the people should be ignored the minute the democratic result was in total fecking hypocrite 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Despite it being voted in to law by the commons the spineless two faced remoaner MPs have totally abandoned any morals and decided to ignore the will of the British people.
It will be remembered and no election or referendum will ever be the same again in this country.
The one thing that will come is a massive surge in the popularity of UKIP or a similar party in the future who stand for the 52%.
Happy Days.
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OUT AFLI SUCK IT UP REMOANER LOSERS
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 19:06 - Sep 20 by londonlisa2001
Because the current withdrawal agreement actually allows for several scenarios, the backstop is simply one of them.
One scenario is a customs union, one is unspecified (as no one can think of any that work) ‘alternative arrangements’ and one is the backstop. There may be more. I can’t remember.
What the talks at the moment are doing is exploring the ‘alternative arrangements’ to see if they can find any that work. If they do, the backstop is redundant. That’s always been the case. So the withdrawal agreement itself is unchanged from its current form (just the backstop bit is not needed).
The EU have said from the start that if everyone can agree on alternative arrangements, the backstop falls away. Remember that the backstop is our suggestion, not the EU’s suggestion, as we couldn’t think of any alternative arrangements that work. Still can’t. So nothing has been reopened.
The backstop is part of the withdrawal agreement and they have reopened talks about the backstop, yet according to you they haven't reopened talks because the agreement allowed for several scenarios?
It's simple, they have reopened talks about a part of the withdrawal agreement, without the backstop or another suitable plan there is no agreement. If, during the reopened talks they find a suitable alternative it will replace the backstop and become part of the withdrawal agreement. You also say "the wihdrawal agreement itself is unchanged from it's current form (just the backstop bit is not needed)" except the WA is changed because the backstop would have been deleted and replaced with another plan.
Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 13:05 - Sep 21 by Catullus
The backstop is part of the withdrawal agreement and they have reopened talks about the backstop, yet according to you they haven't reopened talks because the agreement allowed for several scenarios?
It's simple, they have reopened talks about a part of the withdrawal agreement, without the backstop or another suitable plan there is no agreement. If, during the reopened talks they find a suitable alternative it will replace the backstop and become part of the withdrawal agreement. You also say "the wihdrawal agreement itself is unchanged from it's current form (just the backstop bit is not needed)" except the WA is changed because the backstop would have been deleted and replaced with another plan.
The EU says there must be a legally operable plan for avoiding a hard border on the island of Ireland in any withdrawal agreement and it will not accept a deal based on a promise.
Until Johnson delivers on that, the WA won’t be reopened.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 15:22 - Sep 21 with 1748 views
Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 13:05 - Sep 21 by Catullus
The backstop is part of the withdrawal agreement and they have reopened talks about the backstop, yet according to you they haven't reopened talks because the agreement allowed for several scenarios?
It's simple, they have reopened talks about a part of the withdrawal agreement, without the backstop or another suitable plan there is no agreement. If, during the reopened talks they find a suitable alternative it will replace the backstop and become part of the withdrawal agreement. You also say "the wihdrawal agreement itself is unchanged from it's current form (just the backstop bit is not needed)" except the WA is changed because the backstop would have been deleted and replaced with another plan.
The WA (and subsequent Strasbourg Agreement relating to it) allows for changes to the backstop, if agreed by the UK and the EU. There’s specific provisions within it to do so, which is why these discussions can take place without reopening the (rest of) WA. (I think).
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 16:16 - Sep 21 with 1721 views
Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 15:22 - Sep 21 by LeonWasGod
The WA (and subsequent Strasbourg Agreement relating to it) allows for changes to the backstop, if agreed by the UK and the EU. There’s specific provisions within it to do so, which is why these discussions can take place without reopening the (rest of) WA. (I think).
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I wouldn’t bother. Cats has got huge form for failing to understand simple concepts even when he provides links that prove the opposite of the thing he thinks they prove.
Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 16:16 - Sep 21 by exiledclaseboy
I wouldn’t bother. Cats has got huge form for failing to understand simple concepts even when he provides links that prove the opposite of the thing he thinks they prove.
It’s a trait prevalent in Brexiters.
I can’t think why...
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 22:11 - Sep 21 with 1637 views
Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 16:16 - Sep 21 by exiledclaseboy
I wouldn’t bother. Cats has got huge form for failing to understand simple concepts even when he provides links that prove the opposite of the thing he thinks they prove.
Just for fun,
I have been saying the backstop is part of the WA yet remainers disagree. Now ECB, full fact say it's part of the WA and here's another link stating the backstop is "within the withdrawal agreement"
The “Irish backstop” is effectively an insurance policy in UK-EU Brexit negotiations. It’s meant to make sure that the Irish border remains open (as it is today) whatever the outcome of the UK and the EU’s negotiations about their future relationship after Brexit.
The backstop is part of the draft withdrawal agreement negotiated between Theresa May’s government and the EU.
you lot are saying it's not part of the WA but their last line states it is. So ECB, tell me the backstop is not part of the draft withdrawal agreement and fullfact are wrong.
Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 22:11 - Sep 21 by Catullus
Just for fun,
I have been saying the backstop is part of the WA yet remainers disagree. Now ECB, full fact say it's part of the WA and here's another link stating the backstop is "within the withdrawal agreement"
The “Irish backstop” is effectively an insurance policy in UK-EU Brexit negotiations. It’s meant to make sure that the Irish border remains open (as it is today) whatever the outcome of the UK and the EU’s negotiations about their future relationship after Brexit.
The backstop is part of the draft withdrawal agreement negotiated between Theresa May’s government and the EU.
you lot are saying it's not part of the WA but their last line states it is. So ECB, tell me the backstop is not part of the draft withdrawal agreement and fullfact are wrong.
Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 15:22 - Sep 21 by LeonWasGod
The WA (and subsequent Strasbourg Agreement relating to it) allows for changes to the backstop, if agreed by the UK and the EU. There’s specific provisions within it to do so, which is why these discussions can take place without reopening the (rest of) WA. (I think).
Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 19:35 - Sep 20 by londonlisa2001
Barclay said we need another year.
Although that’s only to get to a point where we can operate arrangements that don’t work anyway. Largely because Johnson didn’t realise the Irish do a lot more than grow potatoes these days. Hence him saying to Barclay etc that he didn’t realise the SPS arrangements didn’t solve the problem (obviously that was a lie according to Bluey and Jango).
I just take all these ‘leaks’ coming from all angles at the moment with a pinch of salt. If it’s something you want to hear though it’s filed as absolute fact in your head.
.@JunckerEU "I had a meeting with Boris Johnson, the Prime Minister, this was a rather positive meeting... We can have deal... I'm doing everything to have a deal, because I don't like the idea of no-deal because this would have catastrophic consequences..." pic.twitter.com/lRWZxpKX1W
Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 09:18 - Sep 22 by Jango
I just take all these ‘leaks’ coming from all angles at the moment with a pinch of salt. If it’s something you want to hear though it’s filed as absolute fact in your head.
.@JunckerEU "I had a meeting with Boris Johnson, the Prime Minister, this was a rather positive meeting... We can have deal... I'm doing everything to have a deal, because I don't like the idea of no-deal because this would have catastrophic consequences..." pic.twitter.com/lRWZxpKX1W
Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 22:11 - Sep 21 by Catullus
Just for fun,
I have been saying the backstop is part of the WA yet remainers disagree. Now ECB, full fact say it's part of the WA and here's another link stating the backstop is "within the withdrawal agreement"
The “Irish backstop” is effectively an insurance policy in UK-EU Brexit negotiations. It’s meant to make sure that the Irish border remains open (as it is today) whatever the outcome of the UK and the EU’s negotiations about their future relationship after Brexit.
The backstop is part of the draft withdrawal agreement negotiated between Theresa May’s government and the EU.
you lot are saying it's not part of the WA but their last line states it is. So ECB, tell me the backstop is not part of the draft withdrawal agreement and fullfact are wrong.
Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 11:44 - Sep 22 by oh_tommy_tommy
You’ll have your people’s vote
It’s seems you don’t want it anymore ?
You’ve turned into a Liberal Democrat without the democracy .
The remainers' position, typically. Let the "higher classes" decide. Usually it's the Welsh exiles , i.e. the people who chose not to live here who are condemning the Welsh electorate's overwhelming vote to leave.
Each time I go to Bedd - au........................
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 12:11 - Sep 22 with 1430 views
Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 11:44 - Sep 22 by oh_tommy_tommy
You’ll have your people’s vote
It’s seems you don’t want it anymore ?
You’ve turned into a Liberal Democrat without the democracy .
Au contraire, Tom.
Devil in the detail, fine sir. LDs position is to revoke and they'd have a mandate, but as they wouldn't have a majority it's not going to happen. For all of their faults you know where they stand.
Labour are a fúcking embarrassment. Let's face it Corbyn is the puppet for Red Len, Milne et al. who (a) want Brexit and (b) won't be affected by the fall out.
For the many, if the many are defined as those with gold plated pensions and no money worries.
Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 12:10 - Sep 22 by Brynmill_Jack
The remainers' position, typically. Let the "higher classes" decide. Usually it's the Welsh exiles , i.e. the people who chose not to live here who are condemning the Welsh electorate's overwhelming vote to leave.
Genuine question Brynny. How will Brexit benefit Wales?