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OUT WITH A DEAL EATING OUR CAKE AND LOVING IT suck it up remoaners
And like a typical anti democracy remoaner he decided the will of the people should be ignored the minute the democratic result was in total fecking hypocrite 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Despite it being voted in to law by the commons the spineless two faced remoaner MPs have totally abandoned any morals and decided to ignore the will of the British people.
It will be remembered and no election or referendum will ever be the same again in this country.
The one thing that will come is a massive surge in the popularity of UKIP or a similar party in the future who stand for the 52%.
Happy Days.
[Post edited 1 Jan 2021 14:13]
OUT AFLI SUCK IT UP REMOANER LOSERS
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 17:19 - Sep 24 by wobbly
Agreed, but that wasn’t really my point. My point was based on para 61:
61 It is impossible for us to conclude, on the evidence which has been put before us, that there was any reason - let alone a good reason - to advise Her Majesty to prorogue Parliament for five weeks, from 9th or 12th September until 14th October. We cannot speculate, in the absence of further evidence, upon what such reasons might have been. It follows that the decision was unlawful.
That last sentence builds on the sentences preceding. Lawyers will have generations to pick this apart but to me this has the potential to opens up massive implications on motive in future judicial review of constitutional matters. Extraordinary. We will be debating this judgment for many, many years,
But para 58 states:
“Of course, the Government must be accorded a great deal of latitude in making decisions of this nature. We are not concerned with the Prime Minister’s motive in doing what he did. We are concerned with whether there was a reason for him to do it. It will be apparent from the documents quoted earlier that no reason was given for closing down Parliament for five weeks. Everything was focussed on the need for a new Queen’s Speech and the reasons for holding that in the week beginning the 14th October rather than the previous week. But why did that need a prorogation of five weeks?”
59 and 60 go on to discuss the ‘normal’ length for. Queen’s Speech and the point that the Da Costa memo states it was only for the Queen’s Speech that prorogation happened.
Para 60 also draws attention to the constitutional responsibility of the PM and distinguishes between that and him being ‘simply the leader of the Government seeking to promote its own policies’.
They do not appear to be questioning motive per se, but rather stating that the motive given is at odds to the action taken and therefore the action cannot be justified.
They seem to me, to be saying - you’ve a choice. If you want to lie to the public (and possibly the Queen) about your reasons for doing something, fine. But if your actions are not consistent with that lie, don’t expect the courts to protect you from parliament, who are your masters.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 17:59 - Sep 24 with 1641 views
Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 17:31 - Sep 24 by Highjack
Is there any difference between unlawful and illegal in real terms?
As I recall, illegal refers to being in contravention of legislation whereas unlawful refers to being in contravention of the constitution or common law. But that may be an incorrect recollection.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 19:09 - Sep 24 with 1567 views
Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 15:49 - Sep 24 by londonlisa2001
Corbyn is allowed a go first, then if he can’t, anyone else can have a go within that 14 days I think (ECB will correct me I’m sure). There are rumours that he’s coming round to the idea...
Anyone can have a go at forming a government that can command a majority. Corbyn is the natural first go as leader of the official opposition and the second largest party in the Commons. But it doesn’t have to be him first. I very much doubt you’ll get a series of confidence votes until they hit upon one that works. The Queen will have to be advised on who to appoint first and that won’t happen until they work something out.
Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 13:17 - Sep 24 by sherpajacob
It seems to me the killer point was the failure of anyone in government willing to sign a witness statement regarding the reasons for prorogation.
Boris now saying he still disagrees with the unanimous judgment.
They had the witness statements all drafted. The relevant people refused to sign them on account, I assume, of not wanting to perjure themselves. When that happened the only argument the government could use was to try and persuade the court that prorogation was none of the court’s business. Obviously that argument failed miserably.
Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 17:59 - Sep 24 by londonlisa2001
As I recall, illegal refers to being in contravention of legislation whereas unlawful refers to being in contravention of the constitution or common law. But that may be an incorrect recollection.
Yeah I knew there must have been a difference. The ruling only mentions the word “unlawful”. I guess if you accidentally kill someone (Not that I have) it sometimes comes under unlawful killing rather than murder. Just curious what the difference is.
The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 19:51 - Sep 24 by Highjack
Yeah I knew there must have been a difference. The ruling only mentions the word “unlawful”. I guess if you accidentally kill someone (Not that I have) it sometimes comes under unlawful killing rather than murder. Just curious what the difference is.
Unlawful is ‘higher’ than illegal I guess, given legislation is far more changeable than the constitution or common law. Frequently things are both unlawful and illegal of course.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 20:10 - Sep 24 with 1494 views
“Unlawful killing” is, I think, a coroner’s court verdict in an inquest as opposed to a legal one. In a criminal court someone who kills unlawfully but it isn’t murder is guilty of manslaughter.
Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 17:59 - Sep 24 by londonlisa2001
As I recall, illegal refers to being in contravention of legislation whereas unlawful refers to being in contravention of the constitution or common law. But that may be an incorrect recollection.
Google tells me that "Illegal means that it is forbidden by a law that has been passed. Unlawful means that it is not authorised by law because no such law has been passed". So, as you said
Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 15:49 - Sep 24 by londonlisa2001
Corbyn is allowed a go first, then if he can’t, anyone else can have a go within that 14 days I think (ECB will correct me I’m sure). There are rumours that he’s coming round to the idea...
Ok thanks. Hopefully he hasn’t got Diane Abbott working out the numbers for a majority 😂
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 20:25 - Sep 24 with 1462 views
Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 21:13 - Sep 24 by Humpty
Heh!
To be fair, Farage is genuinely funny on his LBC show. The bit that always makes me laugh is him playing a clip of a ‘remainer’ politician and him commenting over the top of it like a 1980s DJ trying to stop us all taping the top 10.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 21:31 - Sep 24 with 1388 views
Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 21:31 - Sep 24 by londonlisa2001
To be fair, Farage is genuinely funny on his LBC show. The bit that always makes me laugh is him playing a clip of a ‘remainer’ politician and him commenting over the top of it like a 1980s DJ trying to stop us all taping the top 10.
I do try sometimes but I can rarely put up with more than ten minutes.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 21:41 - Sep 24 with 1351 views