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1:19 pm today was the exact mid point from when the result that the Great British public had decided to leave the EU and the time 11pm March 29th 2019 that Democracy will be delivered.

Happy days.
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The Countdown begins. on 09:40 - Jun 25 with 722 viewsBatterseajack

The Countdown begins. on 03:54 - Jun 25 by peenemunde

Pre 1973. No need to thank me.
Now where’s the evidence we can’t stand on our own two feet ?.


No ones saying we can't stand on our own two feet, we'd survive, but would we prosper? Where's the evidence that we'd be better off than we have been whilst being members of the EU? And is there also any evidence to show that we'd can ride out the cliff edge departure unscathed?
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The Countdown begins. on 09:48 - Jun 25 with 713 viewsShaky

The Countdown begins. on 09:40 - Jun 25 by Batterseajack

No ones saying we can't stand on our own two feet, we'd survive, but would we prosper? Where's the evidence that we'd be better off than we have been whilst being members of the EU? And is there also any evidence to show that we'd can ride out the cliff edge departure unscathed?


Pre-1973 Britain was an industrial basket case. A case study industrial basket case.

The guy is trolling or pig ignorant, doesn't really matter which.

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The Countdown begins. on 09:59 - Jun 25 with 690 viewsBatterseajack

The Countdown begins. on 09:48 - Jun 25 by Shaky

Pre-1973 Britain was an industrial basket case. A case study industrial basket case.

The guy is trolling or pig ignorant, doesn't really matter which.


Oh i know.

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The Countdown begins. on 10:06 - Jun 25 with 682 viewspikeypaul

What a beautiful day to celebrate us kicking the EU in to touch.

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really getting close now despite the pathetic remoaners still having their childish little frenzied tantrums.
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The Countdown begins. on 10:42 - Jun 25 with 646 viewssherpajacob

The Countdown begins. on 03:54 - Jun 25 by peenemunde

Pre 1973. No need to thank me.
Now where’s the evidence we can’t stand on our own two feet ?.


Ah yes that magical nostalgic Britain of red letter boxes, village greens, Dixon of dock green and the Val Doonican Christmas special.

it may have been like that for Jacob rees Mogg and his family, for many the reality was very different.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/2340288/slum-britain-50-years-on-channel-5

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The Countdown begins. on 10:47 - Jun 25 with 640 viewspeenemunde

The Countdown begins. on 09:48 - Jun 25 by Shaky

Pre-1973 Britain was an industrial basket case. A case study industrial basket case.

The guy is trolling or pig ignorant, doesn't really matter which.


That’s because the country was still recovering from WW2, which left the country virtually bankrupt.

The point being pre 1973 the UK managed to survive perfectly well, something idiots such as yourself won’t admit.
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The Countdown begins. on 10:48 - Jun 25 with 633 viewsBatterseajack

The Countdown begins. on 10:47 - Jun 25 by peenemunde

That’s because the country was still recovering from WW2, which left the country virtually bankrupt.

The point being pre 1973 the UK managed to survive perfectly well, something idiots such as yourself won’t admit.


Surviving is great, but prospering is much better
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The Countdown begins. on 10:52 - Jun 25 with 632 viewspeenemunde

And I suppose we haven’t had any poverty in this country since 1973 ?.
Even in the USA during that period you’d find poverty and then the USA was experiencing massive growth.
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The Countdown begins. on 11:03 - Jun 25 with 617 viewsShaky

The Countdown begins. on 10:52 - Jun 25 by peenemunde

And I suppose we haven’t had any poverty in this country since 1973 ?.
Even in the USA during that period you’d find poverty and then the USA was experiencing massive growth.


It is just a slight lowering of the bar through, don't you think?

We have gone from promises of a thriving post-Brexit Britain striking trade deals left right and centre, with boundless prosperity for all and lorry loads of Brexit dividends to be spread out to the NHS, farmers, and the ordinary plucky Briton

. . .to. . .

We can survive. On foraged berries and nuts will be the next chapter, no doubt.
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The Countdown begins. on 11:17 - Jun 25 with 601 viewsBatterseajack

The Countdown begins. on 11:03 - Jun 25 by Shaky

It is just a slight lowering of the bar through, don't you think?

We have gone from promises of a thriving post-Brexit Britain striking trade deals left right and centre, with boundless prosperity for all and lorry loads of Brexit dividends to be spread out to the NHS, farmers, and the ordinary plucky Briton

. . .to. . .

We can survive. On foraged berries and nuts will be the next chapter, no doubt.
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Whatever happened to the sunny uplands of Brexit?

Meanwhile, a juicy new stoery into Farages apparent market manipulation on the night of the referendum where his trader mates made a lovely wedge shorting the pound. This would probably be a huge story if half of the papers weren't so biased in favor of brexit.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-06-25/brexit-big-short-how-pollster
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The Countdown begins. on 11:37 - Jun 25 with 588 viewssherpajacob

The Countdown begins. on 11:17 - Jun 25 by Batterseajack

Whatever happened to the sunny uplands of Brexit?

Meanwhile, a juicy new stoery into Farages apparent market manipulation on the night of the referendum where his trader mates made a lovely wedge shorting the pound. This would probably be a huge story if half of the papers weren't so biased in favor of brexit.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-06-25/brexit-big-short-how-pollster


"UKIP and I are going nowhere and the party will only continue to grow stronger in the future.”

I cant recall was it 1 or 2 days later he resigned as UKIP leader and the party hasn't exactly grown stronger.

this is the guy people put their faith in?

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The Countdown begins. on 12:36 - Jun 25 with 568 viewsLeonWasGod

The Countdown begins. on 19:32 - Jun 24 by peenemunde

The American ambassador to the U.K., Woody Johnson has said Britain 🇬🇧 is to ‘defeatist’ regarding Brexit and that a great country like the U.K. shouldn’t be so ‘pessimistic’.

Well said Mr Ambassador and of course you are correct, the U.K. will thrive outside the Eu.


I'd agree with him. I find it easier to believe in something where it's supported by some evidence, but that's just me. I'm less good at taking a leap of faith when most indicators point the opposite direction.

Absolutely we should be more bullish. Even if people don't believe in Brexit, they should still look for the opportunities rather than dwell on the pitfalls. There will be opportunities here, there always are when there's change. E.g. the UK Government have committed billions to new industrial-led R&D programme through the Industrial Strategy Challenge Fund. That's one good thing that's happened (albeit it favours big business, rather than the EU's funding schemes that favour SMEs and research institutes).
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The Countdown begins. on 12:45 - Jun 25 with 563 viewspeenemunde

The Countdown begins. on 11:03 - Jun 25 by Shaky

It is just a slight lowering of the bar through, don't you think?

We have gone from promises of a thriving post-Brexit Britain striking trade deals left right and centre, with boundless prosperity for all and lorry loads of Brexit dividends to be spread out to the NHS, farmers, and the ordinary plucky Briton

. . .to. . .

We can survive. On foraged berries and nuts will be the next chapter, no doubt.
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The only people lowering in the bar are idiots such as you.
I see the future outside the the eu as extremely bright.
You are just a naysayer.
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The Countdown begins. on 12:52 - Jun 25 with 560 viewsJango

The Countdown begins. on 11:37 - Jun 25 by sherpajacob

"UKIP and I are going nowhere and the party will only continue to grow stronger in the future.”

I cant recall was it 1 or 2 days later he resigned as UKIP leader and the party hasn't exactly grown stronger.

this is the guy people put their faith in?


Why would people put their faith in Farage? He was just a voice with no power so that’s a load of crap. Remainers on the other hand put their faith in Cameron and Osbourne and I can’t recall if it was 1 or 2 days they resigned?
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The Countdown begins. on 12:58 - Jun 25 with 552 viewsBatterseajack

The Countdown begins. on 12:52 - Jun 25 by Jango

Why would people put their faith in Farage? He was just a voice with no power so that’s a load of crap. Remainers on the other hand put their faith in Cameron and Osbourne and I can’t recall if it was 1 or 2 days they resigned?


You're literally just typing guff now
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The Countdown begins. on 13:08 - Jun 25 with 545 viewsvetchonian

The Countdown begins. on 10:47 - Jun 25 by peenemunde

That’s because the country was still recovering from WW2, which left the country virtually bankrupt.

The point being pre 1973 the UK managed to survive perfectly well, something idiots such as yourself won’t admit.


And pre 1973 the whole economic landscape was different.
In those days Britain had its own car industry albeit a basket case,its own steel industry,its own Aerospace industry and along with these owned its utilities providers too. Take a look around now...no real "British" owned manufactures of note and size.
Many companies are here as Britain offered a foot into the EU door.....without manufacturing no wealth is really generated it was the industrial revloution and the Victorian Engineers that put the Great in to Great Britain...and allowed the Empire to flourish.Unfortuneately I think we are heading for a post Brexit depression not seen since the 1920s...and thats not scaremongering but fact. Any monies saved bt not paying into the EU will be kept in the SOuth East......take a long look at our "lovely ugly town" When I was growing up there was a lot of industry paying good wages and salaries...British Steel had several plants around Swansea with engineering and other service companies feeding off them...Rees and Kirby etc, There was ALcoa, AWCO,Fords, Mettoys,Louis MArx IMI not many of those left....as a result our "city " had some affluence....look at us now!

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The Countdown begins. on 13:15 - Jun 25 with 538 viewsKerouac

The Countdown begins. on 13:08 - Jun 25 by vetchonian

And pre 1973 the whole economic landscape was different.
In those days Britain had its own car industry albeit a basket case,its own steel industry,its own Aerospace industry and along with these owned its utilities providers too. Take a look around now...no real "British" owned manufactures of note and size.
Many companies are here as Britain offered a foot into the EU door.....without manufacturing no wealth is really generated it was the industrial revloution and the Victorian Engineers that put the Great in to Great Britain...and allowed the Empire to flourish.Unfortuneately I think we are heading for a post Brexit depression not seen since the 1920s...and thats not scaremongering but fact. Any monies saved bt not paying into the EU will be kept in the SOuth East......take a long look at our "lovely ugly town" When I was growing up there was a lot of industry paying good wages and salaries...British Steel had several plants around Swansea with engineering and other service companies feeding off them...Rees and Kirby etc, There was ALcoa, AWCO,Fords, Mettoys,Louis MArx IMI not many of those left....as a result our "city " had some affluence....look at us now!


As we haven't left yet, you are arguing that the country has gone to the dogs whilst a member of the EU.
Your solution?
Continued membership of the EU and a continuation of the same policies.

Mental, literally mental.

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The Countdown begins. on 13:34 - Jun 25 with 526 viewsvetchonian

The Countdown begins. on 13:15 - Jun 25 by Kerouac

As we haven't left yet, you are arguing that the country has gone to the dogs whilst a member of the EU.
Your solution?
Continued membership of the EU and a continuation of the same policies.

Mental, literally mental.


What I was arguing is that you cannot compare how we coped pre 1973!
The country went to the dogs as a result of UK government....selling off our Steel Industry, car industry and Aerospace industry...whihc shows the ineptitide of all our MPs no matter whihc political affiliation.
Our problem now is we have a huge reliance on the EU for funding and many of the companies who are here are either EU or have a "base " here to trade with the EU.
The policies which have seen the demise of our means of wealth generation were nothing to do with the EU but our own government!
The point I was trying to highlight was look at our own environs....since Ford,BP have departed the region is "poorer"..... there was much more money around in this region the late 60s and 70s when the industry was here.....the so called replacment service industries are dissapearing too...see VIrgin for example. My question is what will we have to trade with non EU countries?

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The Countdown begins. on 13:37 - Jun 25 with 524 viewspeenemunde

The Countdown begins. on 12:58 - Jun 25 by Batterseajack

You're literally just typing guff now


I certainly didn’t vote leave because of NF.
It’s you who is taking guff.
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The Countdown begins. on 13:59 - Jun 25 with 506 viewscwm02

The Countdown begins. on 09:40 - Jun 25 by Batterseajack

No ones saying we can't stand on our own two feet, we'd survive, but would we prosper? Where's the evidence that we'd be better off than we have been whilst being members of the EU? And is there also any evidence to show that we'd can ride out the cliff edge departure unscathed?


"No ones saying we can't stand on our own two feet, we'd survive,"
That was the whole point of "Project Fear" was that Britain cannot survive without the EU.
Also I have some question to ask:
Can our fisherman fish in any of our waters when the require? No EU rules apply
Can we decide who we allow into our country? No EU rules apply to EU citizens.
Can we trade with other countries outside of the EU? No we have to do it through the auspices of the EU.
Can we stop any European laws being made? No

If you want to know prosper I have some examples:

Switzerland - Highest quality life in the world, 5x exports than the UK, lowest unemployment rate in the world, low taxes, few regulations, GDP per capita higher than Britain and Swizterland still trades with the EU

Iceland - Same story

Guernsey- Has the pound & same head of state than ours, yet has fewer crime, thriving economy and high standard of living

if these countries can prosper without the EU so can we
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The Countdown begins. on 14:38 - Jun 25 with 480 viewsShaky

The Countdown begins. on 13:59 - Jun 25 by cwm02

"No ones saying we can't stand on our own two feet, we'd survive,"
That was the whole point of "Project Fear" was that Britain cannot survive without the EU.
Also I have some question to ask:
Can our fisherman fish in any of our waters when the require? No EU rules apply
Can we decide who we allow into our country? No EU rules apply to EU citizens.
Can we trade with other countries outside of the EU? No we have to do it through the auspices of the EU.
Can we stop any European laws being made? No

If you want to know prosper I have some examples:

Switzerland - Highest quality life in the world, 5x exports than the UK, lowest unemployment rate in the world, low taxes, few regulations, GDP per capita higher than Britain and Swizterland still trades with the EU

Iceland - Same story

Guernsey- Has the pound & same head of state than ours, yet has fewer crime, thriving economy and high standard of living

if these countries can prosper without the EU so can we
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Switzerland has a population smaller than Greater London with some exceptionally strong world leading sectors like Banking/financial services, Pharmaceuticals, and to a lesser extent watchmaking.

Iceland and Guernsey and are tiny islands with populations of 334,000 and 62,000 respectively.

You want to make the UK an off-shore tax haven just like Guernsey? All you have to do is cull 99.9% of the population.

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The Countdown begins. on 14:40 - Jun 25 with 478 viewsShaky

. . .Of course what Brexit will almost certainly do is to cull the only remaining industry in which Britain is in fact a world leader; financial services.

Way to go, kidz

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The Countdown begins. on 14:41 - Jun 25 with 477 viewsBatterseajack

The Countdown begins. on 13:59 - Jun 25 by cwm02

"No ones saying we can't stand on our own two feet, we'd survive,"
That was the whole point of "Project Fear" was that Britain cannot survive without the EU.
Also I have some question to ask:
Can our fisherman fish in any of our waters when the require? No EU rules apply
Can we decide who we allow into our country? No EU rules apply to EU citizens.
Can we trade with other countries outside of the EU? No we have to do it through the auspices of the EU.
Can we stop any European laws being made? No

If you want to know prosper I have some examples:

Switzerland - Highest quality life in the world, 5x exports than the UK, lowest unemployment rate in the world, low taxes, few regulations, GDP per capita higher than Britain and Swizterland still trades with the EU

Iceland - Same story

Guernsey- Has the pound & same head of state than ours, yet has fewer crime, thriving economy and high standard of living

if these countries can prosper without the EU so can we
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It really depends on your definition of surviving, and why would one merely want to survive when we could be prospering as we are now. If Nissan, BMW, Airbus, Pfizer and others up sticks and left, we'd still survive as a nation. We'd just be poorer as a nation and some real people would lose real jobs. South Wales has survived since the decline of industrialisation, but its not as prosperous as it once was.

Can our fisherman fish in any of our waters when the require?
Our fishing industry is tiny compared yo our fish processing industry. Yes we may catch more after brexit, but we export most of our fish to Europe (which will be affected). We also import more than we produce, since we don't have Cod on our shores (more expensive).

Can we decide who we allow into our country?
Yes we have the availability for additional powers to decide who we allow into our country, but successive governments have chosen not to do this.

Can we trade with other countries outside of the EU?
Germany does more international trade than us, whats stopping them? The EU also has FTA (over 50) with loads of countries around the world, and this is getting bigger. Our bargaining power is also stronger when working as a collective.

Can we stop any European laws being made?
What laws have been enforced that our government at the time didn't want? We have a veto and were one of the biggest players in the EU.


No idea what your point is with Switzerland and Iceland, neither has a GDP close to ours, both are in Schengen and Iceland is also in the EEA. Both are apparent red lines for the Mogg type Brexit.

I'm even more confused by your Guernsey argument.
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The Countdown begins. on 14:58 - Jun 25 with 464 viewsKilkennyjack


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The Countdown begins. on 15:21 - Jun 25 with 446 viewscwm02

The Countdown begins. on 14:41 - Jun 25 by Batterseajack

It really depends on your definition of surviving, and why would one merely want to survive when we could be prospering as we are now. If Nissan, BMW, Airbus, Pfizer and others up sticks and left, we'd still survive as a nation. We'd just be poorer as a nation and some real people would lose real jobs. South Wales has survived since the decline of industrialisation, but its not as prosperous as it once was.

Can our fisherman fish in any of our waters when the require?
Our fishing industry is tiny compared yo our fish processing industry. Yes we may catch more after brexit, but we export most of our fish to Europe (which will be affected). We also import more than we produce, since we don't have Cod on our shores (more expensive).

Can we decide who we allow into our country?
Yes we have the availability for additional powers to decide who we allow into our country, but successive governments have chosen not to do this.

Can we trade with other countries outside of the EU?
Germany does more international trade than us, whats stopping them? The EU also has FTA (over 50) with loads of countries around the world, and this is getting bigger. Our bargaining power is also stronger when working as a collective.

Can we stop any European laws being made?
What laws have been enforced that our government at the time didn't want? We have a veto and were one of the biggest players in the EU.


No idea what your point is with Switzerland and Iceland, neither has a GDP close to ours, both are in Schengen and Iceland is also in the EEA. Both are apparent red lines for the Mogg type Brexit.

I'm even more confused by your Guernsey argument.


One thing businesses doesn't like is regulation and Brexit helps get rid of EU regulation.

"Yes we have the availability for additional powers to decide who we allow into our country, but successive governments have chosen not to do this."
In terms of reducing EU immigration, EU's freedom of movement of people makes it impossible to control. If we leave we can at least vote to reduce freedom movement of people (or not have any)

The EU has failed to trade with China the world's biggest export. But Iceland does.

UK is the most outvoted country in the EU. https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/662422/EU-referendum-Brexit-Britain-outv

Also Iceland and Switzerland has a bigger GDP PER CAPITA than us. Switzerland also voted for reduced freedom of movement.
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