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1:19 pm today was the exact mid point from when the result that the Great British public had decided to leave the EU and the time 11pm March 29th 2019 that Democracy will be delivered.

Happy days.
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They coined our 'negotiating' approach 'cake' apparently. Here come the cakes.

From major player to laughing stock in 2 years, well played Tories
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That's coz we are not Strong And Stable (TM)


Just as well we didn't get a, coalition of chaos.

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Misology -- It's a bitch
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Pickford, Trippier and Maguire were the best performers today. Just saying like
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England won more world cups outside the EU than in.

Therefore the EU are clearly deliberately holding them back.

Facts

The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
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England won more world cups outside the EU than in.

Therefore the EU are clearly deliberately holding them back.

Facts


They also lost more world cup games out than they did in.

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The Countdown begins. on 22:32 - Jul 7 with 454 viewsGowerjack

Interesting article from today's Guardian..

The Guardian view on the cabinet Brexiters: vacuous, dreary and incapable of responsibility | Editorial


The outcome of today’s Chequers cabinet summit on Brexit policy was not yet known at the time of writing. Yet the 11th-hour proceedings, and everything that has led up to them since well before the 2016 referendum, underscore a huge and continuing political truth. That truth is not affected by the Chequers outcome – and it is not sufficiently often stated either. Yet it blights every aspect of our political life as a nation.

Most revolutionaries have a plan for what they want to do after the revolution. Cromwell had one. So did Washington and Robespierre, Lenin and Mao. The plans may have been good ones or terrible ones, but at least they were plans. These revolutionaries were desperate to implement their projects.

Britain’s Brexiters are not like that. They want their revolutionary act – leaving the European Union – and they have got it. But they accept absolutely no responsibility for what comes afterwards. Instead they arrogate to themselves the right to carp, criticise, reject, undermine and denounce as betrayal every aspect of every attempt to define the consequences of their revolution. They have no doctrine other than dislike of the EU. They have no programme to replace it. Their revolutionism is a performance not a project. It’s an act – vacuous, hollow, infantile, fanciful and foolish.

The Chequers meeting has been a classic illustration of this fundamentally frivolous and destructive approach to politics. After two largely wasted years, and with the clock ticking towards Brexit in March 2019, Theresa May finally came up with a plan this week to try to give the Brexiters what they want – Brexit – but on terms that many remainers can live with. She and her officials have spent months trying to craft a compromise that would combine Brexit with terms that allows Britain to keep its promises on Ireland and to maintain jobs and the economy.

And the response? As soon as they got the Chequers draft, the Brexiters did the only three things they ever do. First they denounced the draft as a betrayal, then they leaked their version of it to the anti-European press, and finally they closeted themselves away to threaten and plot against Mrs May. Detailed alternatives? Different drafts that might resolve difficulties, bring disputants together or persuade the EU? Dream on.

Never at any stage do the Brexiters ever accept the practical duty of producing a detailed post-Brexit plan. Instead, David Davis smirks through meeting after meeting, Boris Johnson gabbily chases cheap headlines, Michael Gove spins a wordy web of courteous waffle and Liam Fox insists that black is white and white black. Mr Davis said this week that Mrs May’s ideas would not work. So, what might work instead? There was, predictably, no answer from Mr Davis. There never is. The Brexiters created the mess and the burden with which Mrs May has to wrestle. But it is never, ever, their fault. Nothing ever is. It is only, ever, Mrs May’s fault – or someone else’s fault: the civil service, the judges, business leaders, the Irish, the liberal elites or Brussels.

Before the Brexit vote and since, the Brexiters have never put forward a detailed plan of their own. They did not do so this week. They spent 12 hours at Chequers not doing it. They won’t do it next week either. They don’t do plans. They only do fantasy. They spun a fantasy of takeover by Brussels; now they spin a fantasy of liberation from it. They have held our country, its politics, its press and its shared life hostage to their lazy second-rate dreariness for too long. It is time to take the fight to them.

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Interesting article from today's Guardian..

The Guardian view on the cabinet Brexiters: vacuous, dreary and incapable of responsibility | Editorial


The outcome of today’s Chequers cabinet summit on Brexit policy was not yet known at the time of writing. Yet the 11th-hour proceedings, and everything that has led up to them since well before the 2016 referendum, underscore a huge and continuing political truth. That truth is not affected by the Chequers outcome – and it is not sufficiently often stated either. Yet it blights every aspect of our political life as a nation.

Most revolutionaries have a plan for what they want to do after the revolution. Cromwell had one. So did Washington and Robespierre, Lenin and Mao. The plans may have been good ones or terrible ones, but at least they were plans. These revolutionaries were desperate to implement their projects.

Britain’s Brexiters are not like that. They want their revolutionary act – leaving the European Union – and they have got it. But they accept absolutely no responsibility for what comes afterwards. Instead they arrogate to themselves the right to carp, criticise, reject, undermine and denounce as betrayal every aspect of every attempt to define the consequences of their revolution. They have no doctrine other than dislike of the EU. They have no programme to replace it. Their revolutionism is a performance not a project. It’s an act – vacuous, hollow, infantile, fanciful and foolish.

The Chequers meeting has been a classic illustration of this fundamentally frivolous and destructive approach to politics. After two largely wasted years, and with the clock ticking towards Brexit in March 2019, Theresa May finally came up with a plan this week to try to give the Brexiters what they want – Brexit – but on terms that many remainers can live with. She and her officials have spent months trying to craft a compromise that would combine Brexit with terms that allows Britain to keep its promises on Ireland and to maintain jobs and the economy.

And the response? As soon as they got the Chequers draft, the Brexiters did the only three things they ever do. First they denounced the draft as a betrayal, then they leaked their version of it to the anti-European press, and finally they closeted themselves away to threaten and plot against Mrs May. Detailed alternatives? Different drafts that might resolve difficulties, bring disputants together or persuade the EU? Dream on.

Never at any stage do the Brexiters ever accept the practical duty of producing a detailed post-Brexit plan. Instead, David Davis smirks through meeting after meeting, Boris Johnson gabbily chases cheap headlines, Michael Gove spins a wordy web of courteous waffle and Liam Fox insists that black is white and white black. Mr Davis said this week that Mrs May’s ideas would not work. So, what might work instead? There was, predictably, no answer from Mr Davis. There never is. The Brexiters created the mess and the burden with which Mrs May has to wrestle. But it is never, ever, their fault. Nothing ever is. It is only, ever, Mrs May’s fault – or someone else’s fault: the civil service, the judges, business leaders, the Irish, the liberal elites or Brussels.

Before the Brexit vote and since, the Brexiters have never put forward a detailed plan of their own. They did not do so this week. They spent 12 hours at Chequers not doing it. They won’t do it next week either. They don’t do plans. They only do fantasy. They spun a fantasy of takeover by Brussels; now they spin a fantasy of liberation from it. They have held our country, its politics, its press and its shared life hostage to their lazy second-rate dreariness for too long. It is time to take the fight to them.


Spot on that.
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The Countdown begins. on 00:49 - Jul 8 with 391 viewsKerouac

The Countdown begins. on 22:32 - Jul 7 by Gowerjack

Interesting article from today's Guardian..

The Guardian view on the cabinet Brexiters: vacuous, dreary and incapable of responsibility | Editorial


The outcome of today’s Chequers cabinet summit on Brexit policy was not yet known at the time of writing. Yet the 11th-hour proceedings, and everything that has led up to them since well before the 2016 referendum, underscore a huge and continuing political truth. That truth is not affected by the Chequers outcome – and it is not sufficiently often stated either. Yet it blights every aspect of our political life as a nation.

Most revolutionaries have a plan for what they want to do after the revolution. Cromwell had one. So did Washington and Robespierre, Lenin and Mao. The plans may have been good ones or terrible ones, but at least they were plans. These revolutionaries were desperate to implement their projects.

Britain’s Brexiters are not like that. They want their revolutionary act – leaving the European Union – and they have got it. But they accept absolutely no responsibility for what comes afterwards. Instead they arrogate to themselves the right to carp, criticise, reject, undermine and denounce as betrayal every aspect of every attempt to define the consequences of their revolution. They have no doctrine other than dislike of the EU. They have no programme to replace it. Their revolutionism is a performance not a project. It’s an act – vacuous, hollow, infantile, fanciful and foolish.

The Chequers meeting has been a classic illustration of this fundamentally frivolous and destructive approach to politics. After two largely wasted years, and with the clock ticking towards Brexit in March 2019, Theresa May finally came up with a plan this week to try to give the Brexiters what they want – Brexit – but on terms that many remainers can live with. She and her officials have spent months trying to craft a compromise that would combine Brexit with terms that allows Britain to keep its promises on Ireland and to maintain jobs and the economy.

And the response? As soon as they got the Chequers draft, the Brexiters did the only three things they ever do. First they denounced the draft as a betrayal, then they leaked their version of it to the anti-European press, and finally they closeted themselves away to threaten and plot against Mrs May. Detailed alternatives? Different drafts that might resolve difficulties, bring disputants together or persuade the EU? Dream on.

Never at any stage do the Brexiters ever accept the practical duty of producing a detailed post-Brexit plan. Instead, David Davis smirks through meeting after meeting, Boris Johnson gabbily chases cheap headlines, Michael Gove spins a wordy web of courteous waffle and Liam Fox insists that black is white and white black. Mr Davis said this week that Mrs May’s ideas would not work. So, what might work instead? There was, predictably, no answer from Mr Davis. There never is. The Brexiters created the mess and the burden with which Mrs May has to wrestle. But it is never, ever, their fault. Nothing ever is. It is only, ever, Mrs May’s fault – or someone else’s fault: the civil service, the judges, business leaders, the Irish, the liberal elites or Brussels.

Before the Brexit vote and since, the Brexiters have never put forward a detailed plan of their own. They did not do so this week. They spent 12 hours at Chequers not doing it. They won’t do it next week either. They don’t do plans. They only do fantasy. They spun a fantasy of takeover by Brussels; now they spin a fantasy of liberation from it. They have held our country, its politics, its press and its shared life hostage to their lazy second-rate dreariness for too long. It is time to take the fight to them.


Bullshit propaganda.

Can't be bothered to go through it all but for starters;

"Never at any stage do the Brexiters ever accept the practical duty of producing a detailed post-Brexit plan. Instead, David Davis smirks through meeting after meeting, Boris Johnson gabbily chases cheap headlines, Michael Gove spins a wordy web of courteous waffle and Liam Fox insists that black is white and white black. Mr Davis said this week that Mrs May’s ideas would not work. So, what might work instead? There was, predictably, no answer from Mr Davis. There never is. The Brexiters created the mess and the burden with which Mrs May has to wrestle. But it is never, ever, their fault. Nothing ever is. It is only, ever, Mrs May’s fault – or someone else’s fault: the civil service, the judges, business leaders, the Irish, the liberal elites or Brussels. "


...David Davis, Michael Gove, Boris and Liam Fox have all put themselves forward to lead the Conservatives.
The problem is that the 'Remainer' establishment haven't accepted that they lost and instead of stepping aside so the Brexiteers could implement Brexit they instead choose to cling on to power by telling lies..."I was a remainer BUT you can trust us to deliver Brexit"


I love to see you all patting May on the back for 'delivering' the fudged Brexit in name only you hoped for....you fail to understand that she has achieved nothing yet and is edging us closer to a no deal Brexit with every day that passes.

The Brexiteers will wait for the EU to the dirty work for them....which they surely will, they WILL reject May's plan....this will leave the 'Remainers' nowhere to go and exposed (as the whole country will now know for certain that they have tried to ignore our vote....at which point May will be removed and a Brexiteer will take over to steer us through a 'No deal' Brexit.
There will be nowhere else to go on this issue and entirely rational

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The Remoaner Guardian ?

By feck you are desperate.

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The Remoaner Guardian ?

By feck you are desperate.


Maybot has done you like a kipper.

And she is our worst PM ever, so tells you how useless the Brexiteers are.

Like a kipper. Done you.

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264 AFLI

SIUYRL

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The Countdown begins. on 09:36 - Jul 8 with 315 viewsGowerjack

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Bullshit propaganda.

Can't be bothered to go through it all but for starters;

"Never at any stage do the Brexiters ever accept the practical duty of producing a detailed post-Brexit plan. Instead, David Davis smirks through meeting after meeting, Boris Johnson gabbily chases cheap headlines, Michael Gove spins a wordy web of courteous waffle and Liam Fox insists that black is white and white black. Mr Davis said this week that Mrs May’s ideas would not work. So, what might work instead? There was, predictably, no answer from Mr Davis. There never is. The Brexiters created the mess and the burden with which Mrs May has to wrestle. But it is never, ever, their fault. Nothing ever is. It is only, ever, Mrs May’s fault – or someone else’s fault: the civil service, the judges, business leaders, the Irish, the liberal elites or Brussels. "


...David Davis, Michael Gove, Boris and Liam Fox have all put themselves forward to lead the Conservatives.
The problem is that the 'Remainer' establishment haven't accepted that they lost and instead of stepping aside so the Brexiteers could implement Brexit they instead choose to cling on to power by telling lies..."I was a remainer BUT you can trust us to deliver Brexit"


I love to see you all patting May on the back for 'delivering' the fudged Brexit in name only you hoped for....you fail to understand that she has achieved nothing yet and is edging us closer to a no deal Brexit with every day that passes.

The Brexiteers will wait for the EU to the dirty work for them....which they surely will, they WILL reject May's plan....this will leave the 'Remainers' nowhere to go and exposed (as the whole country will now know for certain that they have tried to ignore our vote....at which point May will be removed and a Brexiteer will take over to steer us through a 'No deal' Brexit.
There will be nowhere else to go on this issue and entirely rational


The second line of your post has given you away...

An intellectual Pygmy.

Typical Brexitier usually spotted with fingers in ears singing Jerusalem with gammon faced fervour.


Either that or sprouting nonsense about fish..

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The Countdown begins. on 09:43 - Jul 8 with 309 viewsoh_tommy_tommy

May & co should Step aside

Let Corbyn and Starmer deliver the best Brexit for the uk .

Brexit means Brexit

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264 AFLI

SIUYRL


A lovely soft, soft brexit coming up.

SIUYBL. Haaaaaaaaaaaaa haaaaaaaaaaa.
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The Countdown begins. on 10:08 - Jul 8 with 298 viewsKilkennyjack

The Countdown begins. on 09:44 - Jul 8 by johnlangy

A lovely soft, soft brexit coming up.

SIUYBL. Haaaaaaaaaaaaa haaaaaaaaaaa.


Someone called it a liquid Brexit ... as soft as soft can be.

We are not really leaving after all.

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The Countdown begins. on 10:55 - Jul 8 with 269 viewsJango

The Countdown begins. on 09:44 - Jul 8 by johnlangy

A lovely soft, soft brexit coming up.

SIUYBL. Haaaaaaaaaaaaa haaaaaaaaaaa.


Proof that remainers would rather end up with a terrible deal than brexit be a success. Sad people.
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The Countdown begins. on 10:59 - Jul 8 with 265 viewsjohnlangy

The Countdown begins. on 10:55 - Jul 8 by Jango

Proof that remainers would rather end up with a terrible deal than brexit be a success. Sad people.


Actually just taking the you know what out of the brexiteer pikey.

Just a bit of fun seeing as he's been doing the same of remainers since the start on the thread.
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The Countdown begins. on 11:08 - Jul 8 with 259 viewsHighjack

The Countdown begins. on 00:54 - Jul 8 by pikeypaul

The Remoaner Guardian ?

By feck you are desperate.


There was a time not that long ago where you couldn't pick up the Guardian without there being a scathing attack on the EU and why we'd be better off out of it.

Here's arch remoaner Owen Jones on why the left should campaign against an undemocratic EU that serves big business.

" as big businesses issue chilling threats about the risks of voting the wrong way. "

"which will be to stay in an increasingly pro-corporate EU shorn of pro-worker trappings. Can we honestly endorse that?"

Well said Owen, but what changed?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jul/14/left-reject-eu-greece-euro


No doubt lots of people voted for leave for these precise reasons but would be labelled as a thick, racist right wing nut-job by Jones and his merry band of wazzocks these days.
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The Countdown begins. on 11:18 - Jul 8 with 253 viewsGowerjack

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Proof that remainers would rather end up with a terrible deal than brexit be a success. Sad people.


James O'Brien
@mrjamesob
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Everything hideous that's happened politically in the last two years has hinged on persuading people that their whole lives are somebody else's fault. Obviously, the inevitable debacle of Brexit will now be blamed on people who pointed out the inevitability of the Brexit debacle.

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The Countdown begins. on 12:44 - Jul 8 with 204 viewsKerouac

...and this is what a grown up sounds like;



Why I have decided to contribute to BriefingsforBrexit – Prof Robert Rowthorn

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Written by Robert Rowthorn
Professor Robert Rowthorn explains what persuaded him to move from a position of neutrality on Brexit to one of support. He believes that the negative economic forecasts for Brexit published by the Treasury and other are exaggerated, and says that there is now no going back. The task now is to get a good deal for the UK.

I abstained in the EU referendum. Well, not exactly. Before the referendum my wife and I discussed for weeks which way to vote but were unable to make up our minds. Since there was no provision in the referendum for a formal abstention, we decided to vote on opposite sides. In this way we fulfilled our duty as citizens to vote but without affecting the outcome. I voted Leave and my wife voted Remain but I would have been quite happy to have switched places.

For me, the arguments in favour of Leave were and still are mainly political. The UK has a long and proud history of parliamentary democracy. Since joining, we have ceded many of our law-making powers to the EU, thereby diminishing the role of Parliament and undermining democratic control. It has been a constant struggle to keep the EU at bay and prevent further encroachment on our sovereignty. Leaving the EU would reverse this process and allow us to “take back control”. However, the resulting benefits should not be exaggerated. Leaving the EU would not imply complete freedom of action. For example, In the economic sphere, we would be free to cut our own trade deals as Liam Fox endlessly reminds us, but the EU would remain our largest trading partner and our exports to the bloc would still need to conform to EU standards. In the human rights sphere, we would no longer be answerable to the European Court of Justice, but we would still be subject to the occasionally infuriating rulings of the European Court of Human Rights which is not an EU institution. Even where we did acquire genuine freedom of action, there are many areas where we would voluntarily do what previously would have been laid down by an EU directive. But at least it would be our choice.

As I saw them, the economic arguments were on balance against Leave. I was unimpressed by the hype surrounding our freedom to negotiate our own trade deals and to sweep away burdensome regulations after we leave the EU. I was also unimpressed by the claim that leaving the EU would save us £350 million a week in payments to Brussels. When the UK rebate and receipts from Brussels are taken into account, the true figure is about half this amount. Of most concern to me was the potential impact on our exports if the EU decided to punish the UK for leaving by forcing us to trade under WTO rules. I thought the loss could be serious although not as large as the Treasury report on the subject claimed.

A hot topic during the run-up to the referendum was immigration. The evidence regarding the impact of EU immigration on the UK is mixed. By adding to the total population, the inflow of EU migrants has increased the pressure on public services, housing and infrastructure. Academic evidence suggests that it has also exerted a small downward pressure on the wages of low-skilled workers. On the other hand, since most of the migrants are of working age and find jobs soon after their arrival, immigration from the EU has helped to rejuvenate the population and expand the tax base, thereby generating a small fiscal surplus for the exchequer. Given the small size of most of these effects, the issue of immigration did not figure prominently in my deliberations when I was deciding how to vote in the referendum.

Taking all of these arguments into account, I was on balance uncertain which way to vote. In the end, as explained above, I decided to “abstain”. Why have I now come off the fence and joined BriefingsforBrexit?

The first reason is the publication of a thorough critique by Gudgin, Coutts, Gibson and Buchanan of the Treasury report on the long-run impact of Brexit on the UK economy[1]. Three of these four economists voted Remain, so they cannot be accused of bias in favour of leaving. They argue convincingly that the Treasury economists (and many other researchers) overestimated the harmful impact of Brexit on UK exports. The critics concede that a hard Brexit, involving trade with the EU under WTO rules, would be harmful but their own estimates suggest that its impact would be significantly less than the Treasury report claimed. Forecasting is a hazardous business, so both the original Treasury report and the critique should be taken with a pinch of salt. Even so, after reading the critique I have become less pessimistic about the economic consequences of Brexit. Scandalously, this critique has been almost entirely ignored by the BBC, the Guardian, the Independent, the Financial Times and other supposedly objective media.

Another reason for speaking out in favour of Brexit is that, whatever the merits of the original decision to leave the EU, it would now be a political disaster to abandon Brexit altogether or water down Brexit to the point where the UK remains in the EU in all but name. This would throw British politics into turmoil and leave a legacy of bitterness lasting for decades.

My final reason for speaking out is to help in a small way to strengthen the government’s bargaining position in its negotiations with the EU. The more public support there is for Brexit, the more likely is it that these negotiations will yield an outcome that is favourable to the UK. I think it unlikely that the diehard Remainers will succeed in their noisy campaign to derail Brexit, but their activities can only encourage the EU negotiators to take a hard line. It is therefore imperative that, whatever our original views, those of us who now support Brexit should speak out.

Instead of spending their time in probably futile efforts to derail Brexit, the diehard Remainers should devote their considerable energies and talents to the more useful task of helping to ensure that Britain prospers in a post-Brexit world.

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The Countdown begins. on 13:09 - Jul 8 with 192 viewsKerouac

The Countdown begins. on 09:36 - Jul 8 by Gowerjack

The second line of your post has given you away...

An intellectual Pygmy.

Typical Brexitier usually spotted with fingers in ears singing Jerusalem with gammon faced fervour.


Either that or sprouting nonsense about fish..


"The second line of your post has given you away... "

Why?
Because I can't be arsed to waste even more hours of my life wading through remainer lies at 10 to 1 in the morning on a Saturday night?


I'll tell you what gives you away though...
You don't believe in democracy.
You don't believe that people who you smugly look down on, as you go about your smug privileged life, should have a vote that is equal to yours.
You believe in elitism, a plutocracy.
You vote Labour because that party has been hijacked by middle-class w*nkers such as yourself in order that you can kid yourself that you are a good person.
You live your life one way while preaching a different message....putting a spin on things.
Lies.




The rest of your post is funny and typical.
Many remainers were asking for a Brexiteer to explain Brexit with more detail a few pages back...as it turned out, they weren't interested in reading or attempting to understand where Brexiteers were coming from though of course, they never have been....no matter how much detail an academic rigour is applied.

What THEY ARE interested in is the opportunity to reply with the kind of childish, arrogant, bigoted, racist nonsense that Gowerjack comes out with.

This is why they LOST the referendum and would LOSE it again tomorrow by a bigger margin.

Intellectual pygmy?

Would you have the bollocks to say that to my face I wonder?

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The Countdown begins. on 13:14 - Jul 8 with 191 viewsexiledclaseboy

The Countdown begins. on 00:49 - Jul 8 by Kerouac

Bullshit propaganda.

Can't be bothered to go through it all but for starters;

"Never at any stage do the Brexiters ever accept the practical duty of producing a detailed post-Brexit plan. Instead, David Davis smirks through meeting after meeting, Boris Johnson gabbily chases cheap headlines, Michael Gove spins a wordy web of courteous waffle and Liam Fox insists that black is white and white black. Mr Davis said this week that Mrs May’s ideas would not work. So, what might work instead? There was, predictably, no answer from Mr Davis. There never is. The Brexiters created the mess and the burden with which Mrs May has to wrestle. But it is never, ever, their fault. Nothing ever is. It is only, ever, Mrs May’s fault – or someone else’s fault: the civil service, the judges, business leaders, the Irish, the liberal elites or Brussels. "


...David Davis, Michael Gove, Boris and Liam Fox have all put themselves forward to lead the Conservatives.
The problem is that the 'Remainer' establishment haven't accepted that they lost and instead of stepping aside so the Brexiteers could implement Brexit they instead choose to cling on to power by telling lies..."I was a remainer BUT you can trust us to deliver Brexit"


I love to see you all patting May on the back for 'delivering' the fudged Brexit in name only you hoped for....you fail to understand that she has achieved nothing yet and is edging us closer to a no deal Brexit with every day that passes.

The Brexiteers will wait for the EU to the dirty work for them....which they surely will, they WILL reject May's plan....this will leave the 'Remainers' nowhere to go and exposed (as the whole country will now know for certain that they have tried to ignore our vote....at which point May will be removed and a Brexiteer will take over to steer us through a 'No deal' Brexit.
There will be nowhere else to go on this issue and entirely rational


Johnson didn’t stand for the Tory leadership. Neither did Davis when the Brexit chips were down. He did in 2005. He was pro EU then mind.

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The Countdown begins. on 13:28 - Jul 8 with 179 viewsKerouac

The Countdown begins. on 13:14 - Jul 8 by exiledclaseboy

Johnson didn’t stand for the Tory leadership. Neither did Davis when the Brexit chips were down. He did in 2005. He was pro EU then mind.


Spin it how you want to spin it but the uncomfortable facts (for those slinging mud at the character of these Brexiteers "they don't want to take responsibility!" ) are;

- Leadsom ran for leadership
- Gove ran for leadership
- Fox ran for leadership
- Davis has previously ran for leadership and is presently THE BREXIT MINISTER
- Boris wanted leadership and was going to run but was outmanoeuvred by Gove

...Davis has always been anti-EU.
He is a pragmatist though.
What changed was the country moved to his position...hence UKIP were winning EU elections here.

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The Countdown begins. on 13:51 - Jul 8 with 154 viewsGowerjack

The Countdown begins. on 13:09 - Jul 8 by Kerouac

"The second line of your post has given you away... "

Why?
Because I can't be arsed to waste even more hours of my life wading through remainer lies at 10 to 1 in the morning on a Saturday night?


I'll tell you what gives you away though...
You don't believe in democracy.
You don't believe that people who you smugly look down on, as you go about your smug privileged life, should have a vote that is equal to yours.
You believe in elitism, a plutocracy.
You vote Labour because that party has been hijacked by middle-class w*nkers such as yourself in order that you can kid yourself that you are a good person.
You live your life one way while preaching a different message....putting a spin on things.
Lies.




The rest of your post is funny and typical.
Many remainers were asking for a Brexiteer to explain Brexit with more detail a few pages back...as it turned out, they weren't interested in reading or attempting to understand where Brexiteers were coming from though of course, they never have been....no matter how much detail an academic rigour is applied.

What THEY ARE interested in is the opportunity to reply with the kind of childish, arrogant, bigoted, racist nonsense that Gowerjack comes out with.

This is why they LOST the referendum and would LOSE it again tomorrow by a bigger margin.

Intellectual pygmy?

Would you have the bollocks to say that to my face I wonder?


Yes.

Plastic since 1974
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