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1:19 pm today was the exact mid point from when the result that the Great British public had decided to leave the EU and the time 11pm March 29th 2019 that Democracy will be delivered.

Happy days.
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The Countdown begins. on 08:11 - Jul 9 with 331 viewsKilkennyjack

The Countdown begins. on 08:07 - Jul 9 by Kerouac

Suella Braverman gone now as well.


The government will be brought down.
The government do not have the backing of the public and neither does the Labour Party.
The public back Brexit not remain.
There will be a remainer purge, a Brexit backing Tory government and a 'No Deal' Brexit now.


If Labour stands against Brexit and a GE is called, there will be no Brexit.
Landslide Labour win.

Jezza needs to shape up, or ship out.
Keir is the man to smash to Tory party for a generation.

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The Countdown begins. on 08:16 - Jul 9 with 321 viewsWarwickHunt

The Countdown begins. on 08:11 - Jul 9 by Kilkennyjack

If Labour stands against Brexit and a GE is called, there will be no Brexit.
Landslide Labour win.

Jezza needs to shape up, or ship out.
Keir is the man to smash to Tory party for a generation.


He would be if the party wasn’t controlled by McClusky and Momentum.
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The Countdown begins. on 08:53 - Jul 9 with 287 viewsKerouac

The Countdown begins. on 08:11 - Jul 9 by Kilkennyjack

If Labour stands against Brexit and a GE is called, there will be no Brexit.
Landslide Labour win.

Jezza needs to shape up, or ship out.
Keir is the man to smash to Tory party for a generation.


The public would never vote for Keir Starmer as Prime Minister...




Perpetuating ECJ jurisdiction after Brexit

Sir Keir Starmer’s obsessive love affair with the Luxembourg Court

By Martin Howe QC
14 Nov 2017



"Under the EU treaties, Judges and Advocates-General who serve on the ECJ and the EU General Court at Luxembourg must be nationals of a Member State. So when the UK leaves European Union at just before midnight on 29 March 2019, the British nationals who are currently serving in these roles will cease to hold office.

As a result, what is currently a multi-national court in which we participate will become an entirely foreign court.

But strangely, Labour’s Brexit spokesman, Sir Keir Starmer QC, is seeking to perpetuate in every conceivable way the jurisdiction of this foreign court over the UK after we have left the EU. He wrote to the Prime Minister demanding that the ECJ should continue to exercise jurisdiction over the UK during any transitional period, and threatened an amendment to the EU Withdrawal Bill to make this happen if the PM does not agree. And on Monday 13 November 2017,  in a BBC interview, he argued that the ECJ should have jurisdiction over the UK for the indefinite future where we wish to enter into arrangements with EU agencies.

However, it is virtually unheard of in international relations for an independent sovereign state to agree to subject itself to the jurisdiction of a foreign court. One has to go back to the 19th Century to find examples such as the (British) Supreme Court for China sitting in Shanghai, which exercised jurisdiction over British subjects in China and over their disputes with Chinese nationals to the exclusion of Chinese courts.

Nor do the EU’s own international agreements provide any support for extra-territorial ECJ jurisdiction after we have left the EU. At Lawyers for Britain, we have exhaustively scrutinised the EU’s external agreements and cannot find any instance in which a non-Member State has accepted direct ECJ jurisdiction over itself or its relations with EU. Even the EU’s agreements with the tiny statelets of Andorra and San Marino to not accept ECJ jurisdiction and instead contain balanced bilateral arbitration arrangements.
It is sensible that our courts should continue to look at ECJ judgments after exit for two main reasons. First, where our own laws remain the same as or similar to EU laws, it is helpful for our courts to continue to look at ECJ judgments interpreting those laws in the same way as our courts look at e.g. Australian court decisions when their courts interpret laws which are similar to our own. Secondly, if we enter into a post-exit treaty with the EU governing the rights of citizens and other matters, it is sensible that our courts should look at ECJ decisions, and equally that the ECJ looks at the decisions of our courts, in order to try to be consistent in interpreting the treaty.

These are instances where in accordance with general international principles of comity, courts in different countries will look at each others’ decisions and try, if possible, to be consistent. But critically, no court is bound to follow a decision of a foreign court if, having weighed it up, in the end it cannot agree with it. The ability of our courts to disagree with, and ultimately depart from, the decisions of foreign courts is an essential part of our sovereignty.

My colleagues Francis Hoar, Dr Gunnar Beck and I have published a paper Adjudicating Treaty Rights After Brexit with detailed proposals for a cooperative relationship between the ECJ and UK courts designed to lead to consistent interpretation, but where, importantly, neither court system is made subordinate to the other.

There is simply no reason for us to succumb to the rule of foreign courts after we have ceased to belong to the EU.

Nor does Keir Starmer’s invocation of EU agencies give rise to any need for an exception. To take the European Medicines Agency which he discussed in his interview, there is much sense in the UK continuing to collaborate with that Agency after we have left. And since the Agency is set up under EU law, we cannot realistically expect the EU to agree to exempt the whole Agency from the supervising jurisdiction of the EU General Court and the ECJ.

But it simply does not follow that we must therefore submit to those courts having jurisdiction in any way over the UK. We can perfectly sensibly follow EMA decisions on licensing of medicines as the normal rule, so long as the UK’s own Medical and Healthcare Regulatory Agency (MHRA) has the power for good reason to depart from EMA decisions in the UK by choosing to license drugs which the EMA has refused, or to refuse drugs the EMA has licensed. Indeed, once we have left the EU, we will have the opportunity of following Swiss law and allowing the UK MHRA to license drugs on the basis of safety assessments made by the US FDA and other competent regulatory authorities around the world, so dramatically cutting the regulatory costs of bringing drugs to the UK market. Such a system would not involve accepting the jurisdiction of US courts, any more than that of the ECJ.

It has been a persistent problem of some lawyers who move into politics that they are unable to shed some of the less attractive preconceptions and attitudes which are endemic in certain sectors of the legal profession. In the case of Keir Starmer, regrettably he seems to have brought with him a lawyer’s obsessive love of the Luxembourg court to the extent that it blinds him to the importance of defending the international sovereignty of the nation in whose Parliament he now sits, and the right of the constituents he represents not to be ruled by foreign courts."



This article is also published on Brexit Central.

from http://www.lawyersforbritain.org/withdrawal-bill-ecj-post-brexit.shtml

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The Countdown begins. on 09:34 - Jul 9 with 251 viewsShaky


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The Countdown begins. on 08:11 - Jul 9 by Kilkennyjack

If Labour stands against Brexit and a GE is called, there will be no Brexit.
Landslide Labour win.

Jezza needs to shape up, or ship out.
Keir is the man to smash to Tory party for a generation.


A coalition including, snp, green and plaid is what the country needs at the moment.

Every brexit vote in parliament should have been a free vote anyway

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The Countdown begins. on 10:18 - Jul 9 with 218 viewsBatterseajack

What has David Davis been doing these last two years? He's spent about 4 hours in talks with Barnier and hasn't come up with a plan for how we should leave under terms he's happy with that also doesn't push the self destruct button on out own economy. He's come up with nothing, and he hasn't been negotiating. He now quits on the basis that we surrender power that we apparently never had when being a member of the EU.
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The Countdown begins. on 10:35 - Jul 9 with 207 viewsKerouac

The Countdown begins. on 10:18 - Jul 9 by Batterseajack

What has David Davis been doing these last two years? He's spent about 4 hours in talks with Barnier and hasn't come up with a plan for how we should leave under terms he's happy with that also doesn't push the self destruct button on out own economy. He's come up with nothing, and he hasn't been negotiating. He now quits on the basis that we surrender power that we apparently never had when being a member of the EU.


He has stated today that No. 10 has been fighting him these past 2 years.
He was never allowed to negotiate.
An unelected 'Remainer' civil servant was.

The whole thing was a stitch up and there will be consequences.
Only complete idiots would think they can get away with ignoring the wishes of 17 million British people who won a democratic vote.

You reap what you sow.

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The Countdown begins. on 10:38 - Jul 9 with 203 viewsBatterseajack

The Countdown begins. on 10:35 - Jul 9 by Kerouac

He has stated today that No. 10 has been fighting him these past 2 years.
He was never allowed to negotiate.
An unelected 'Remainer' civil servant was.

The whole thing was a stitch up and there will be consequences.
Only complete idiots would think they can get away with ignoring the wishes of 17 million British people who won a democratic vote.

You reap what you sow.


4 hours talking with Michelle Barnier. He also hasn't come up with a Brexit plan in all that time either. What the hell has he been doing for the last 2 years?
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The Countdown begins. on 10:40 - Jul 9 with 202 viewsLeonWasGod

The Countdown begins. on 10:35 - Jul 9 by Kerouac

He has stated today that No. 10 has been fighting him these past 2 years.
He was never allowed to negotiate.
An unelected 'Remainer' civil servant was.

The whole thing was a stitch up and there will be consequences.
Only complete idiots would think they can get away with ignoring the wishes of 17 million British people who won a democratic vote.

You reap what you sow.


Tells you all you need to know about May. She's always been one for a somewhat dictatorial approach - she was as Home Secretary. Can't see this being the 'democracy' leavers all reckoned they wanted. She'll screw anyone over, bugger democracy.

There will be repercussions, agreed. I'd be very surprised if there isn't a leadership challenge this week.

Of course, they could all be self-imploding for no reason. The white paper has still to be seen by the EU - they may confirm that it still isn't a workable solution.
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The Countdown begins. on 10:41 - Jul 9 with 199 viewsBatterseajack

The Countdown begins. on 10:40 - Jul 9 by LeonWasGod

Tells you all you need to know about May. She's always been one for a somewhat dictatorial approach - she was as Home Secretary. Can't see this being the 'democracy' leavers all reckoned they wanted. She'll screw anyone over, bugger democracy.

There will be repercussions, agreed. I'd be very surprised if there isn't a leadership challenge this week.

Of course, they could all be self-imploding for no reason. The white paper has still to be seen by the EU - they may confirm that it still isn't a workable solution.


To be fair to Theresa May here, if you had a gun to your head and you had to carry out Brexit, then shes chosen the only way that won't ruin our economy.
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The Countdown begins. on 10:43 - Jul 9 with 197 viewsWarwickHunt

The Countdown begins. on 10:35 - Jul 9 by Kerouac

He has stated today that No. 10 has been fighting him these past 2 years.
He was never allowed to negotiate.
An unelected 'Remainer' civil servant was.

The whole thing was a stitch up and there will be consequences.
Only complete idiots would think they can get away with ignoring the wishes of 17 million British people who won a democratic vote.

You reap what you sow.


I doubt if anywhere near 17 million Brits voted for this clusterfück.
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The Countdown begins. on 10:48 - Jul 9 with 192 viewstheloneranger

The Countdown begins. on 08:07 - Jul 9 by Kerouac

Suella Braverman gone now as well.


The government will be brought down.
The government do not have the backing of the public and neither does the Labour Party.
The public back Brexit not remain.
There will be a remainer purge, a Brexit backing Tory government and a 'No Deal' Brexit now.


She's still there
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The Countdown begins. on 10:51 - Jul 9 with 185 viewsKerouac

The Countdown begins. on 10:48 - Jul 9 by theloneranger

She's still there


Well then, either some concessions have been secured or it is just a question of timing re: further resignations.
e.g. When the EU reject May's plan and want more.

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The Countdown begins. on 10:55 - Jul 9 with 179 viewspeenemunde

The Countdown begins. on 10:43 - Jul 9 by WarwickHunt

I doubt if anywhere near 17 million Brits voted for this clusterfück.


Let’s just cancel Brexit and we can all live happily ever after.
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The Countdown begins. on 10:55 - Jul 9 with 179 viewsBatterseajack

The Countdown begins. on 10:51 - Jul 9 by Kerouac

Well then, either some concessions have been secured or it is just a question of timing re: further resignations.
e.g. When the EU reject May's plan and want more.


Why would they want more when we hold all the cards? German car makers wouldn't have it!
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The Countdown begins. on 11:14 - Jul 9 with 166 viewslonglostjack

The Countdown begins. on 10:55 - Jul 9 by peenemunde

Let’s just cancel Brexit and we can all live happily ever after.


Have you been drinking?

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The Countdown begins. on 12:49 - Jul 9 with 134 viewspeenemunde

The Countdown begins. on 11:14 - Jul 9 by longlostjack

Have you been drinking?


Only mugs drink.
Let the remoaners have what they want....and let the gates of hell open.
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The Countdown begins. on 12:59 - Jul 9 with 127 viewsKerouac

The Countdown begins. on 10:38 - Jul 9 by Batterseajack

4 hours talking with Michelle Barnier. He also hasn't come up with a Brexit plan in all that time either. What the hell has he been doing for the last 2 years?


You expect anyone to believe that in 2 years David Davis' work on Brexit amounted to 4 hours?!?!?

...and I bet you are another one who classes himself as more intelligent

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The Countdown begins. on 13:00 - Jul 9 with 124 viewsShaky

The Countdown begins. on 11:14 - Jul 9 by longlostjack

Have you been drinking?


Sounds more like he is tripping to me.

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The Countdown begins. on 13:03 - Jul 9 with 121 viewsShaky

The Countdown begins. on 12:59 - Jul 9 by Kerouac

You expect anyone to believe that in 2 years David Davis' work on Brexit amounted to 4 hours?!?!?

...and I bet you are another one who classes himself as more intelligent


That is entirely plausible.

Meetings of international principals are supposed to dot the is and cross the ts on agreements that have been hammered out in the preceding months, sometimes even years, by their respective negotiating teams who do all the dogs work.

That is how these things actually work, believe it or not.

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The Countdown begins. on 13:04 - Jul 9 with 120 viewsKerouac

The Countdown begins. on 10:43 - Jul 9 by WarwickHunt

I doubt if anywhere near 17 million Brits voted for this clusterfück.


No, you are right.

They voted to leave the European Union.

They weren't expecting the people who lost the vote to stitch them up and side with foreigners demanding our submission over the wishes of their own people.

#watch_remainers_cry_populism!_as_they_now_rightly_get_f*cked

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The Countdown begins. on 13:06 - Jul 9 with 117 viewsBatterseajack

The Countdown begins. on 12:59 - Jul 9 by Kerouac

You expect anyone to believe that in 2 years David Davis' work on Brexit amounted to 4 hours?!?!?

...and I bet you are another one who classes himself as more intelligent


Reported in the FT. Even it is exaggerated, he's hasn't been locked down in talks has he. He's a lazy gobsh*te
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The Countdown begins. on 13:06 - Jul 9 with 116 viewsKerouac

The Countdown begins. on 10:55 - Jul 9 by Batterseajack

Why would they want more when we hold all the cards? German car makers wouldn't have it!


Because they know some weak quisling c*nts have got their hands on the wheel.

One rational outcome for this one my friend, or democracy is dead.

If people can't change things at the ballot box, violence follows.

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The Countdown begins. on 13:08 - Jul 9 with 107 viewsBatterseajack

The Countdown begins. on 13:06 - Jul 9 by Kerouac

Because they know some weak quisling c*nts have got their hands on the wheel.

One rational outcome for this one my friend, or democracy is dead.

If people can't change things at the ballot box, violence follows.


Here we go, violent threats now from the extremists
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The Countdown begins. on 13:09 - Jul 9 with 102 viewsShaky

The Countdown begins. on 13:06 - Jul 9 by Kerouac

Because they know some weak quisling c*nts have got their hands on the wheel.

One rational outcome for this one my friend, or democracy is dead.

If people can't change things at the ballot box, violence follows.


Rationalism has been on life support in the UK since the referendum, and if that dies out democracy will surly follow in due course.

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