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80 deaths by stabbings in the Countries Capital 15:55 - Jan 2 with 11938 viewsmax936

Shocking but how do they stop it

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/new-years-attacks-take-stabbing-death-toll
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80 deaths by stabbings in the Countries Capital on 19:25 - Jan 2 with 2460 viewsexiledclaseboy

Nothing wrong with saying that statistics show that young black men commit a disproportionately high amount of knife crime. Just as long as you don’t think the only reason for that is that “black kids like knives”.

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80 deaths by stabbings in the Countries Capital on 19:28 - Jan 2 with 2452 viewsE20Jack

80 deaths by stabbings in the Countries Capital on 19:25 - Jan 2 by exiledclaseboy

Nothing wrong with saying that statistics show that young black men commit a disproportionately high amount of knife crime. Just as long as you don’t think the only reason for that is that “black kids like knives”.


That isn't what was said though.

What was said is there is a common link, which clearly was pointing to race. Which is not true. 46% of knife crime is committed by Caucasian men in London, there is a disproportionate amount within each racial group but to say there is a common link (being race) with the crime itself - is completely false.

As someone from London myself, believe me when I tell you that it is not a ''race thing'' it is a ''wealth thing''. It just so happens that due to generational racism in the UK which cannot be disputed, many people of ethnic backgrounds live in these poor areas, so the link is wealth - not race.
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80 deaths by stabbings in the Countries Capital on 19:28 - Jan 2 by E20Jack

That isn't what was said though.

What was said is there is a common link, which clearly was pointing to race. Which is not true. 46% of knife crime is committed by Caucasian men in London, there is a disproportionate amount within each racial group but to say there is a common link (being race) with the crime itself - is completely false.

As someone from London myself, believe me when I tell you that it is not a ''race thing'' it is a ''wealth thing''. It just so happens that due to generational racism in the UK which cannot be disputed, many people of ethnic backgrounds live in these poor areas, so the link is wealth - not race.
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Its all starting to go over my head this, I started the thread to highlight the problem that London seems to be facing, I put it down to gangs, maybe it'll be interesting to know what proportion of these attacks and deaths are of what race, although I'm not sure it makes a difference victims are victims whatever race or creed, same obviously applies to the assailants, the cure to the problem is what's needed not worrying about race or creeds. Sounds simple but sadly its not.

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80 deaths by stabbings in the Countries Capital on 19:38 - Jan 2 with 2429 viewspikeypaul

80 deaths by stabbings in the Countries Capital on 19:28 - Jan 2 by E20Jack

That isn't what was said though.

What was said is there is a common link, which clearly was pointing to race. Which is not true. 46% of knife crime is committed by Caucasian men in London, there is a disproportionate amount within each racial group but to say there is a common link (being race) with the crime itself - is completely false.

As someone from London myself, believe me when I tell you that it is not a ''race thing'' it is a ''wealth thing''. It just so happens that due to generational racism in the UK which cannot be disputed, many people of ethnic backgrounds live in these poor areas, so the link is wealth - not race.
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You say "46% of knife crime in London is committed by whites"

Link please.

Just taken a look and 67% of gun crime in London is committed by blacks ,so Asian,whites,etc only commit 33% in total of gun crime with the huge amount of black on black knife crime I would imagine blacks commit far higher than the 67% they commit with a gun.
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80 deaths by stabbings in the Countries Capital on 19:38 - Jan 2 with 2427 viewsexiledclaseboy

80 deaths by stabbings in the Countries Capital on 19:28 - Jan 2 by E20Jack

That isn't what was said though.

What was said is there is a common link, which clearly was pointing to race. Which is not true. 46% of knife crime is committed by Caucasian men in London, there is a disproportionate amount within each racial group but to say there is a common link (being race) with the crime itself - is completely false.

As someone from London myself, believe me when I tell you that it is not a ''race thing'' it is a ''wealth thing''. It just so happens that due to generational racism in the UK which cannot be disputed, many people of ethnic backgrounds live in these poor areas, so the link is wealth - not race.
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Agree completely.

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80 deaths by stabbings in the Countries Capital on 19:39 - Jan 2 with 2421 viewsE20Jack

80 deaths by stabbings in the Countries Capital on 19:38 - Jan 2 by pikeypaul

You say "46% of knife crime in London is committed by whites"

Link please.

Just taken a look and 67% of gun crime in London is committed by blacks ,so Asian,whites,etc only commit 33% in total of gun crime with the huge amount of black on black knife crime I would imagine blacks commit far higher than the 67% they commit with a gun.
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Don't need a link. It is just a fact.

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80 deaths by stabbings in the Countries Capital on 19:40 - Jan 2 with 2418 viewsPozuelosSideys

80 deaths by stabbings in the Countries Capital on 19:36 - Jan 2 by max936

Its all starting to go over my head this, I started the thread to highlight the problem that London seems to be facing, I put it down to gangs, maybe it'll be interesting to know what proportion of these attacks and deaths are of what race, although I'm not sure it makes a difference victims are victims whatever race or creed, same obviously applies to the assailants, the cure to the problem is what's needed not worrying about race or creeds. Sounds simple but sadly its not.


Think its more complicated than that mate. There is an element of it related to gangs. But E20 is also correct when he says its related to wealth as well. Unfortunately the black community struggles with that as well so technically it is related to culture.

The music scene here plays a big part. Shanks and shanking is super glamourised within it. Ive seen somebody get stabbed up on Brick Lane. Not a pleasant sight.

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80 deaths by stabbings in the Countries Capital on 19:40 - Jan 2 with 2407 viewsGaryjack

80 deaths by stabbings in the Countries Capital on 19:28 - Jan 2 by E20Jack

That isn't what was said though.

What was said is there is a common link, which clearly was pointing to race. Which is not true. 46% of knife crime is committed by Caucasian men in London, there is a disproportionate amount within each racial group but to say there is a common link (being race) with the crime itself - is completely false.

As someone from London myself, believe me when I tell you that it is not a ''race thing'' it is a ''wealth thing''. It just so happens that due to generational racism in the UK which cannot be disputed, many people of ethnic backgrounds live in these poor areas, so the link is wealth - not race.
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Was it posted that the common link was race? I read it as the link being gang related?
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80 deaths by stabbings in the Countries Capital on 19:42 - Jan 2 with 2413 viewsE20Jack

80 deaths by stabbings in the Countries Capital on 19:40 - Jan 2 by Garyjack

Was it posted that the common link was race? I read it as the link being gang related?


Ask pikey paul what he meant.

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80 deaths by stabbings in the Countries Capital on 20:06 - Jan 2 with 2376 viewspikeypaul

80 deaths by stabbings in the Countries Capital on 19:42 - Jan 2 by E20Jack

Ask pikey paul what he meant.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/7856787/Violent-inner-city-crime-th

Blacks make up 12% of the population but commit 54% of the street crime.

Make of it what you want.

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80 deaths by stabbings in the Countries Capital on 20:40 - Jan 2 with 2359 viewsE20Jack

80 deaths by stabbings in the Countries Capital on 20:06 - Jan 2 by pikeypaul

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/7856787/Violent-inner-city-crime-th

Blacks make up 12% of the population but commit 54% of the street crime.

Make of it what you want.


I have told you what I make of it.

From someone who lives here and experiences it.

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80 deaths by stabbings in the Countries Capital on 20:44 - Jan 2 with 2358 viewsmax936

80 deaths by stabbings in the Countries Capital on 19:40 - Jan 2 by PozuelosSideys

Think its more complicated than that mate. There is an element of it related to gangs. But E20 is also correct when he says its related to wealth as well. Unfortunately the black community struggles with that as well so technically it is related to culture.

The music scene here plays a big part. Shanks and shanking is super glamourised within it. Ive seen somebody get stabbed up on Brick Lane. Not a pleasant sight.


I appreciate that, as I said that it sounds simple when its really not, as for the wealth side of the problem, that's a complicated one, because I cannot see how that can change, there's deprived areas everywhere in the Country though, within same areas streets even I see it regularly as I work in peoples houses everyday and believe it or not when I suspect a house is gonna be messy they rarely rarely are, its surprising it really is.
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80 deaths by stabbings in the Countries Capital on 22:54 - Jan 2 with 2330 viewsjackportis

Don’t the kids have a sort of gangsta voice to go with the knife? Lowered jeans, walk funny. 50 cent and Eminem need to bring out an anti knife song innit.

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80 deaths by stabbings in the Countries Capital on 10:13 - Jan 3 with 2282 viewswhoflungdung

Certain ethnicities are proficient and specialise in certain crimes .

Fact


Nothing to do with racism

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80 deaths by stabbings in the Countries Capital on 10:17 - Jan 3 with 2281 viewsE20Jack

80 deaths by stabbings in the Countries Capital on 10:13 - Jan 3 by whoflungdung

Certain ethnicities are proficient and specialise in certain crimes .

Fact


Nothing to do with racism


Go on....

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80 deaths by stabbings in the Countries Capital on 10:35 - Jan 3 with 2265 viewsHighjack

No money, no hope. Broken families. These gangs prey on kids like this and offer them the perceived sense of belonging, family and purpose that they've never had before.

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80 deaths by stabbings in the Countries Capital on 10:37 - Jan 3 with 2263 viewsHighjack

80 deaths by stabbings in the Countries Capital on 18:48 - Jan 2 by Garyjack

Talking of wars, since gun related deaths bagan to be recorded in 1968, there have been 1,516,863 deaths.

Since the founding of the United States there have been 1,396,733 war deaths.

*Figures from 5 Oct 2017
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Ironic thing is over half of those war deaths were Americans shooting each other during the civil war.

The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
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80 deaths by stabbings in the Countries Capital on 10:37 - Jan 3 with 2263 viewsE20Jack

Im still waiting to hear what ethicities specialise in certain crimes.

Japanese specialise in ninja style burglary?

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80 deaths by stabbings in the Countries Capital on 10:41 - Jan 3 with 2261 viewsHighjack

80 deaths by stabbings in the Countries Capital on 10:37 - Jan 3 by E20Jack

Im still waiting to hear what ethicities specialise in certain crimes.

Japanese specialise in ninja style burglary?


Scousers specialise in all sorts of crimes.

The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
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80 deaths by stabbings in the Countries Capital on 10:46 - Jan 3 with 2258 viewswhoflungdung

Mainly burglaries,armed robberies and drugs.

What do Welsh boys specialise in

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80 deaths by stabbings in the Countries Capital on 10:47 - Jan 3 with 2257 viewsE20Jack

80 deaths by stabbings in the Countries Capital on 10:46 - Jan 3 by whoflungdung

Mainly burglaries,armed robberies and drugs.

What do Welsh boys specialise in


So which ethicities specialise is which crimes?

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80 deaths by stabbings in the Countries Capital on 10:50 - Jan 3 with 2256 viewswhoflungdung

Country s capital gets derailed towards Liverpool.

Highjack obviously on the morning shift
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80 deaths by stabbings in the Countries Capital on 10:53 - Jan 3 with 2251 viewsE20Jack

80 deaths by stabbings in the Countries Capital on 10:50 - Jan 3 by whoflungdung

Country s capital gets derailed towards Liverpool.

Highjack obviously on the morning shift
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Keep it on topic then, im trying to have a conversation with you here. You seem to be ignoring me.

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80 deaths by stabbings in the Countries Capital on 10:53 - Jan 3 with 2251 viewswhoflungdung

Albanians in people trafficking for a start ,Viertnamese in cannabis production.

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80 deaths by stabbings in the Countries Capital on 11:01 - Jan 3 with 2245 viewsE20Jack

80 deaths by stabbings in the Countries Capital on 10:53 - Jan 3 by whoflungdung

Albanians in people trafficking for a start ,Viertnamese in cannabis production.


But that is country specific isn't it rather than a penchant for a certain ethnicity. If you took an Albanian baby and brought it to the UK to be fostered (in a non people trafficking way of course) it would be no more likely to be a people trafficker than anyone else.

We are talking about UK citizens and a general crime, which is knife violence. The connection is not race at all but deprived areas. It just so happens that due to generational racism a lot of black people and those from ethnic minorities are forced to live there due to circumstance. If it was the other way around then the race statistics would be turned on its head. It wouldn't mean the connection to knife crime would be white people though - it would be once again, wealth (or lack of).
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