| Jeremy Corbyn - Red Star Bellend 08:48 - Feb 15 with 20899 views | Lohengrin |
You just never know what’s lying in the archives of the secret police in the old Communist bloc waiting to be unearthed, do you? Then again, perhaps you didn’t have to be Reilly to have seen this one coming?
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| Jeremy Corbyn - Red Star Bellend on 20:59 - Feb 15 with 2551 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Jeremy Corbyn - Red Star Bellend on 20:44 - Feb 15 by Jack_Meoff |
83% of students won’t pay their entire loan. Okay. What’s being made sure is what does get paid back goes into private hands, theoretically for decades to come. Seems like a sh*te deal for students and 'the taxpayer' and the potential for financiers to make long term profits for a potentially small outlay, as it’ll no doubt go for a song. I know my distrust of government can cloud my objectivity at times (!) but this just reeks of scam. |
RPI plus 3% is an extraordinarily low return for such a high risk debt.
Seriously.
Look at the interest rates routinely charged by the companies that lend to those who are not certain to repay. And their repayment percentages are far, far higher than those achieved on the student loan book.
It's not going to private hands. An amount gets paid now, with no recourse (so is certain) in return for a massively high risk punt.
It costs the taxpayer, certainly. But not as much as paying for free university education would - it's, in your words, an investment in the young people. It costs students, but only those that can afford it.
The reason I think it's a bad idea is that I see no justification whatsoever in thinking 50% of the population need university education. There are not 50% of all jobs that require it. And in an effort to allow more students to go to university, all those that do go end up paying a graduate tax which is what this is.
But that is fairer than lower paid people up and down the country paying for it, which is the alternative. [Post edited 15 Feb 2018 21:01]
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| Jeremy Corbyn - Red Star Bellend on 21:00 - Feb 15 with 2548 views | Dr_Winston |
I quite like Johnny Rotten. He's an occasionally witty guy who deserves a lot of kudos for calling out Saville long before most others did.
You'd have to be pretty dim to take your political direction from him though. |  |
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| Jeremy Corbyn - Red Star Bellend on 21:04 - Feb 15 with 2532 views | Darran |
| Jeremy Corbyn - Red Star Bellend on 21:00 - Feb 15 by Dr_Winston |
I quite like Johnny Rotten. He's an occasionally witty guy who deserves a lot of kudos for calling out Saville long before most others did.
You'd have to be pretty dim to take your political direction from him though. |
I quite like him too he is a bit of a twát though.  |  |
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| Jeremy Corbyn - Red Star Bellend on 21:22 - Feb 15 with 2520 views | Jack_Meoff |
| Jeremy Corbyn - Red Star Bellend on 20:59 - Feb 15 by londonlisa2001 |
RPI plus 3% is an extraordinarily low return for such a high risk debt.
Seriously.
Look at the interest rates routinely charged by the companies that lend to those who are not certain to repay. And their repayment percentages are far, far higher than those achieved on the student loan book.
It's not going to private hands. An amount gets paid now, with no recourse (so is certain) in return for a massively high risk punt.
It costs the taxpayer, certainly. But not as much as paying for free university education would - it's, in your words, an investment in the young people. It costs students, but only those that can afford it.
The reason I think it's a bad idea is that I see no justification whatsoever in thinking 50% of the population need university education. There are not 50% of all jobs that require it. And in an effort to allow more students to go to university, all those that do go end up paying a graduate tax which is what this is.
But that is fairer than lower paid people up and down the country paying for it, which is the alternative. [Post edited 15 Feb 2018 21:01]
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The repayments will go into private hands when the book is sold on though won't it? The book up until 1998 was sold to a firm that is a front for Arrow, a particularly loathsome debt collection agency. Or am I missing something obvious?
I wouldn't disagree with the 50% mark in fairness. I can't help but wonder however what a drop in that percentage would do for rising unemployment figures, which I'm guessing neither party would want on their watch. |  |
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| Jeremy Corbyn - Red Star Bellend on 21:29 - Feb 15 with 2509 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Jeremy Corbyn - Red Star Bellend on 21:22 - Feb 15 by Jack_Meoff |
The repayments will go into private hands when the book is sold on though won't it? The book up until 1998 was sold to a firm that is a front for Arrow, a particularly loathsome debt collection agency. Or am I missing something obvious?
I wouldn't disagree with the 50% mark in fairness. I can't help but wonder however what a drop in that percentage would do for rising unemployment figures, which I'm guessing neither party would want on their watch. |
Yes, the repayments do. But they pay upfront in return (obviously at a discount).
That payment represents the saving to the taxpayer over providing free university for those that attend.
The reason that the 50% target was set in the first place was Blair wanting to bring down unemployment figures.
But 50% of ypung people going on to some sort of advanced training / education is fine. But it should be a mixture of university / apprenticeships / vocational training. Not just university. | | | |
| Jeremy Corbyn - Red Star Bellend on 21:36 - Feb 15 with 2491 views | builthjack |
Just get those Tories out. Fcked the country up yet again, as usual. It's gonna get worse.
Cameron offers the vote for brexit. Then runs when it goes wrong. The most yellow bloke politics has ever seen.
Then May turns up. You couldn't write it. |  |
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| Jeremy Corbyn - Red Star Bellend on 21:41 - Feb 15 with 2483 views | oh_tommy_tommy |
| Jeremy Corbyn - Red Star Bellend on 20:42 - Feb 15 by perchrockjack |
So ,if one is left wing,one reads a left wing paper .If one is not, then a right one.
Millions ,like my mum in law have no political leanings but read the Mail. Looking at this site and the contempt for both the paper and the readers doesn't make this pleasant viewing if we are supposed to be a free country .
The truth for some is found in left papers ,lies in the right .
Maybe a little respect is due for those who buy certain papers and not the gang ridicule seen on here |
Perhaps there’s a good crossword in the mail ? |  |
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| Jeremy Corbyn - Red Star Bellend on 21:51 - Feb 15 with 2465 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Jeremy Corbyn - Red Star Bellend on 21:41 - Feb 15 by oh_tommy_tommy |
Perhaps there’s a good crossword in the mail ? |
The answer to every part of the problem is 'immigrant' so it's a bit repetitive... | | | |
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| Jeremy Corbyn - Red Star Bellend on 22:03 - Feb 15 with 2455 views | Jack11 |
I don’t like Corbyn at all but what have any of you ever done apart from chat rubbish on here? If your political views are so worthwhile why don’t you go and do something about it? That’s the beauty of living in a developed democracy but you’d need to get off your laptop to realise that. There is a lot of criticism here for people who ultimately champion things that have positivity at heart. You may disagree with them in your pseudo intellectual demeaning manner, but you need some perspective. Either that or a hobby other than criticising people with different political views than you. On a sub forum within a football forum. It’s a bit pathetic really and you’re only looking for credence from people who think the same as you anyway. Get out there and make a real difference if you feel strongly enough to waste your life typing about it here. | | | |
| Jeremy Corbyn - Red Star Bellend on 22:17 - Feb 15 with 2438 views | Lohengrin |
| Jeremy Corbyn - Red Star Bellend on 22:03 - Feb 15 by Jack11 |
I don’t like Corbyn at all but what have any of you ever done apart from chat rubbish on here? If your political views are so worthwhile why don’t you go and do something about it? That’s the beauty of living in a developed democracy but you’d need to get off your laptop to realise that. There is a lot of criticism here for people who ultimately champion things that have positivity at heart. You may disagree with them in your pseudo intellectual demeaning manner, but you need some perspective. Either that or a hobby other than criticising people with different political views than you. On a sub forum within a football forum. It’s a bit pathetic really and you’re only looking for credence from people who think the same as you anyway. Get out there and make a real difference if you feel strongly enough to waste your life typing about it here. |
I can’t speak for anybody else but when I was a youngster at the height of the Cold War I loathed communism and everything it stood for to the extent I enlisted and joined the colours.
That the sort of commitment you’re looking for? | |
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| Jeremy Corbyn - Red Star Bellend on 22:19 - Feb 15 with 2433 views | pikeypaul |
Jack11,
The usual suspects here do not believe in democracy unless they get the result they want.
It’s truly pathetic.
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| Jeremy Corbyn - Red Star Bellend on 22:30 - Feb 15 with 2419 views | Jack11 |
| Jeremy Corbyn - Red Star Bellend on 22:17 - Feb 15 by Lohengrin |
I can’t speak for anybody else but when I was a youngster at the height of the Cold War I loathed communism and everything it stood for to the extent I enlisted and joined the colours.
That the sort of commitment you’re looking for? |
It’s pretty low rent really. It’s like saying I don’t like vegan beliefs so I went and had a steak dinner in my leather shoes to really spite them. If you feel it elevates you though, you crack on. | | | |
| Jeremy Corbyn - Red Star Bellend on 22:45 - Feb 15 with 2396 views | Lohengrin |
| Jeremy Corbyn - Red Star Bellend on 22:30 - Feb 15 by Jack11 |
It’s pretty low rent really. It’s like saying I don’t like vegan beliefs so I went and had a steak dinner in my leather shoes to really spite them. If you feel it elevates you though, you crack on. |
Elevation? No I wouldn’t say that I have ever thought of it in those terms but as a conscious act it was at least to show willing. It involved a tad more self-sacrifice than going out for dinner as in your curious analogy. | |
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| Jeremy Corbyn - Red Star Bellend on 02:53 - Feb 16 with 2329 views | Mo_Wives |
| Jeremy Corbyn - Red Star Bellend on 22:45 - Feb 15 by Lohengrin |
Elevation? No I wouldn’t say that I have ever thought of it in those terms but as a conscious act it was at least to show willing. It involved a tad more self-sacrifice than going out for dinner as in your curious analogy. |
Never mind that shit. Grab your knife and fork, son...we're going to war with the Vegans!
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| Jeremy Corbyn - Red Star Bellend on 07:29 - Feb 16 with 2288 views | Private_Partz |
| Jeremy Corbyn - Red Star Bellend on 20:15 - Feb 15 by Lohengrin |
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Wow 1982? You are becoming more and more 'current'.
The Maybot has failed in her personal attacks on Corbyn. Employing you would be a great move for her. She definitely needs you in the basement digging through the archives. ;-) |  |
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| Jeremy Corbyn - Red Star Bellend on 08:59 - Feb 16 with 2251 views | Lohengrin |
| Jeremy Corbyn - Red Star Bellend on 07:29 - Feb 16 by Private_Partz |
Wow 1982? You are becoming more and more 'current'.
The Maybot has failed in her personal attacks on Corbyn. Employing you would be a great move for her. She definitely needs you in the basement digging through the archives. ;-) |
Blair and his coterie used to do the same as you, Partz. An airy dismissal of the past was one of the defining features of New Labour and look where that got them. If those around him were disposed to have reminded him of the Suez fiasco and the fate of Eden perhaps, just perhaps, it would have given him pause before committing to Iraq?
As for this incarnation of the Labour Party before electing Corbyn if they had taken the time to have considered exactly who and what ‘The Leader’ was, the company he had kept, then they may have called to mind the likes of Wilf Vernon, Tom Driberg or Bob Edwards, Ray Fletcher or John Stonehouse blundering down the same rabbit-hole of betrayal time and again. | |
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| Jeremy Corbyn - Red Star Bellend on 09:08 - Feb 16 with 2244 views | Lohengrin |
That was always demonstrable nonsense but not without design. Michael Foot was disliked by either extreme, both mob and money, because he was a patriot who placed his country’s best interests before those of the red international in the first instance and because he was not a whore to be bought like so many of his contemporaries in the second.
He had a voice and he had a pen, both his own. There was never any shortage of those would have liked nothing more than to have stilled both. | |
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| Jeremy Corbyn - Red Star Bellend on 09:38 - Feb 16 with 2226 views | Batterseajack |
Whilst we love sticking it to the commies, liberals, snowflakes and progressives, should more focus be on the rise of the far rights who seem to be responding to dog whistling from some of our mainstream politicians.
Anders Breivik, Thomas Mair, Darren Osbourne, Dylann Storm Roof, James Fields and also that loser who shot up the school in Florida a few days ago. If it is that these guys are just unhinged, what is it about right wing politics that drive them to commit these awful crimes? | | | |
| Jeremy Corbyn - Red Star Bellend on 09:39 - Feb 16 with 2222 views | oh_tommy_tommy |
| Jeremy Corbyn - Red Star Bellend on 09:08 - Feb 16 by Lohengrin |
That was always demonstrable nonsense but not without design. Michael Foot was disliked by either extreme, both mob and money, because he was a patriot who placed his country’s best interests before those of the red international in the first instance and because he was not a whore to be bought like so many of his contemporaries in the second.
He had a voice and he had a pen, both his own. There was never any shortage of those would have liked nothing more than to have stilled both. |
He was a stark raving lefty mun
Hated by the media barons
Same happened to kinnock
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| Jeremy Corbyn - Red Star Bellend on 10:02 - Feb 16 with 2205 views | Mo_Wives |
| Jeremy Corbyn - Red Star Bellend on 09:38 - Feb 16 by Batterseajack |
Whilst we love sticking it to the commies, liberals, snowflakes and progressives, should more focus be on the rise of the far rights who seem to be responding to dog whistling from some of our mainstream politicians.
Anders Breivik, Thomas Mair, Darren Osbourne, Dylann Storm Roof, James Fields and also that loser who shot up the school in Florida a few days ago. If it is that these guys are just unhinged, what is it about right wing politics that drive them to commit these awful crimes? |
Bit of an islamophobic dog whistle there.
Pretending to be pointing out right wing violence but really asking a deeper question about Islam and violence. | |
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| Jeremy Corbyn - Red Star Bellend on 10:07 - Feb 16 with 2198 views | Batterseajack |
| Jeremy Corbyn - Red Star Bellend on 10:02 - Feb 16 by Mo_Wives |
Bit of an islamophobic dog whistle there.
Pretending to be pointing out right wing violence but really asking a deeper question about Islam and violence. |
Not all of them islam related though are they Mo.
But its a problem no? | | | |
| Jeremy Corbyn - Red Star Bellend on 10:52 - Feb 16 with 2175 views | Highjack |
| Jeremy Corbyn - Red Star Bellend on 09:38 - Feb 16 by Batterseajack |
Whilst we love sticking it to the commies, liberals, snowflakes and progressives, should more focus be on the rise of the far rights who seem to be responding to dog whistling from some of our mainstream politicians.
Anders Breivik, Thomas Mair, Darren Osbourne, Dylann Storm Roof, James Fields and also that loser who shot up the school in Florida a few days ago. If it is that these guys are just unhinged, what is it about right wing politics that drive them to commit these awful crimes? |
Focus should be on criticising all extremist nutjobs of whatever persuasion, and that includes corbyn. |  |
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| Jeremy Corbyn - Red Star Bellend on 11:20 - Feb 16 with 2154 views | Mo_Wives |
| Jeremy Corbyn - Red Star Bellend on 10:07 - Feb 16 by Batterseajack |
Not all of them islam related though are they Mo.
But its a problem no? |
Not all of who/what are islam related?
And yes, people shooting other people is a problem. Is it due to right wing beliefs? I'd have to say no. | |
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