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Universal Basic Income 17:58 - Feb 18 with 5247 viewsdickythorpe

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-43078920

Any thoughts? How much extra would it cost to administer all this???

I'm sure I read of an experiment in a small area of Switzerland and it was very hit and miss.
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Universal Basic Income on 18:04 - Feb 18 with 2839 viewsPozuelosSideys

Whos paying for it?

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Universal Basic Income on 18:09 - Feb 18 with 2821 viewsAndy1300

Universal Basic Income on 18:04 - Feb 18 by PozuelosSideys

Whos paying for it?


Can it be back dated?

I'm 55 this year

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Universal Basic Income on 18:12 - Feb 18 with 2811 viewsPozuelosSideys

Universal Basic Income on 18:09 - Feb 18 by Andy1300

Can it be back dated?

I'm 55 this year


Giving people 10k lump sums instead of access to benefits etc over the course of a year. Everyone. What could possibly go wrong?

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Universal Basic Income on 18:25 - Feb 18 with 2780 viewspikeypaul

So what happens when someone spunks the cash after a month or two ?

Who pays their housing costs then?

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Universal Basic Income on 18:27 - Feb 18 with 2773 viewsJack_Kass

Its interesting and progressive. Ed Milliband was on newsnight on Friday and spoke well about it. It would be very liberating.

No way they'd be able to do it in one lump sum though, dread to think how many would waste it in poor ways, but that would be their perogative
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Universal Basic Income on 18:29 - Feb 18 with 2760 viewslifelong

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Universal Basic Income on 18:32 - Feb 18 with 2757 viewsAndy1300

It states 2 payments of £5000 over 2 years

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Universal Basic Income on 18:33 - Feb 18 with 2752 viewsDr_Winston

Universal Basic Income on 18:25 - Feb 18 by pikeypaul

So what happens when someone spunks the cash after a month or two ?

Who pays their housing costs then?


There would be another handout, as leaving them with nothing (as should happen) would be frowned upon.

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Universal Basic Income on 18:37 - Feb 18 with 2741 viewsJack_Kass

Im not sure how the economics plays out though.

Surely if you give everyone £10k, then the price of everything rises to reflect that?

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Universal Basic Income on 18:50 - Feb 18 with 2718 viewspikeypaul

Universal Basic Income on 18:33 - Feb 18 by Dr_Winston

There would be another handout, as leaving them with nothing (as should happen) would be frowned upon.


In that case the lazy labour voting scum will be all over it.

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Universal Basic Income on 18:54 - Feb 18 with 2706 viewstrampie

Nobody gets benefits, everybody gets a universal wage is one idea.

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Universal Basic Income on 19:04 - Feb 18 with 2689 viewsPozuelosSideys

Universal Basic Income on 18:54 - Feb 18 by trampie

Nobody gets benefits, everybody gets a universal wage is one idea.


As somebody who claims virtually nothing, and hasnt done so for years - if the Government want to give me £10k so i can stick it in the bank, go on holiday, or go on a massive bender, then be my guest.

But as above, what happens when those this is meant to benefit the most blow it and expect more after a few weeks?

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Universal Basic Income on 19:07 - Feb 18 with 2680 viewsBrynmill_Jack

Universal Basic Income on 18:54 - Feb 18 by trampie

Nobody gets benefits, everybody gets a universal wage is one idea.


And the unemployed on it would be in a better position to find work. And to possibly train in order to be better qualified and earn better money paying more tax,
Could actually kick start the economy as people naturally want to earn as much as they possibly can.
The minimum wage jobs out there right now simply trap workers who want to better themselves because they can't afford to pay for training. Low ages only help greedy employers, they cripple the retail economy as nobody has any spare income past paying living costs.

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Universal Basic Income on 19:12 - Feb 18 with 2665 viewstrampie

Universal Basic Income on 19:04 - Feb 18 by PozuelosSideys

As somebody who claims virtually nothing, and hasnt done so for years - if the Government want to give me £10k so i can stick it in the bank, go on holiday, or go on a massive bender, then be my guest.

But as above, what happens when those this is meant to benefit the most blow it and expect more after a few weeks?


The idea is that very few people will have a job in the future, so everybody will get a universal wage and those that do work will get their wage for working and the universal wage and those that don't work just get the universal wage and if it's done right in decades to come there will be no benefits just a universal wage and it will be paid weekly or monthly.

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Universal Basic Income on 19:37 - Feb 18 with 2631 viewsJACKMANANDBOY

Tax Credits already in place, they cost a bit....

https://visual.ons.gov.uk/welfare-spending/

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Universal Basic Income on 22:14 - Feb 18 with 2517 viewsKilkennyjack

Universal Basic Income on 18:50 - Feb 18 by pikeypaul

In that case the lazy labour voting scum will be all over it.


You are a nasty piece of work.

Feck you on behalf of all people who claim state benefits.

If you ever need state help, then i do hope its there for you when you need it the most.

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Universal Basic Income on 08:26 - Feb 19 with 2379 viewsLoyal

Universal Basic Income on 18:12 - Feb 18 by PozuelosSideys

Giving people 10k lump sums instead of access to benefits etc over the course of a year. Everyone. What could possibly go wrong?


Nothing for about a month 😂

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Universal Basic Income on 08:46 - Feb 19 with 2357 viewsPawelAbbott

They have tried it with some success in Finland.
It is a nice idea but has massive flaws in it. Not everyone is capable of budgeting well enough to live off 2 payments a year.
As for the idea that we will get to a point where no one works and robots do it all, that is frankly ludicrous. That is years away if at all plausible.
There will be fewer jobs if the type we know now but it will just be different jobs.
The cycle of increased automation happens every couple of decades, the job market evolves to fit the new needs
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Universal Basic Income on 09:00 - Feb 19 with 2341 viewstrampie

Universal Basic Income on 08:46 - Feb 19 by PawelAbbott

They have tried it with some success in Finland.
It is a nice idea but has massive flaws in it. Not everyone is capable of budgeting well enough to live off 2 payments a year.
As for the idea that we will get to a point where no one works and robots do it all, that is frankly ludicrous. That is years away if at all plausible.
There will be fewer jobs if the type we know now but it will just be different jobs.
The cycle of increased automation happens every couple of decades, the job market evolves to fit the new needs


2 payments a year is a nonsense, when it gets going for real in decades to come it would have to be weekly, fortnightly or monthly.

There will be fewer jobs to the point where there will not be anywhere near enough jobs to go around.

I'm not talking about these initial ideas and trials but when it does come in for real there will be no old age pension, no dole etc, the money saved in not paying various benefits and not paying lots of people to run benefits will go someway to paying for it.
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Universal Basic Income on 09:18 - Feb 19 with 2315 viewsPawelAbbott

Universal Basic Income on 09:00 - Feb 19 by trampie

2 payments a year is a nonsense, when it gets going for real in decades to come it would have to be weekly, fortnightly or monthly.

There will be fewer jobs to the point where there will not be anywhere near enough jobs to go around.

I'm not talking about these initial ideas and trials but when it does come in for real there will be no old age pension, no dole etc, the money saved in not paying various benefits and not paying lots of people to run benefits will go someway to paying for it.
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It is the small weekly handouts that it is trying to avoid.
By giving people only enough to live on each week they are being tied to a life of scraping by without the money to ever break the cycle.
If you can give people enough money that they have excess to spend then they can use it to start something to generate more money. If you tie them to meagre handouts then they will never be able to break the cycle.
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Universal Basic Income on 10:04 - Feb 19 with 2279 viewsBarrySwan

So basically half the population gets £10,000 a year for doing nothing whilst the other half paying for it don't?


What could possibly go wrong?
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Universal Basic Income on 10:06 - Feb 19 with 2266 viewstrampie

Universal Basic Income on 10:04 - Feb 19 by BarrySwan

So basically half the population gets £10,000 a year for doing nothing whilst the other half paying for it don't?


What could possibly go wrong?


No

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Universal Basic Income on 10:08 - Feb 19 with 2259 viewstrampie

Universal Basic Income on 09:18 - Feb 19 by PawelAbbott

It is the small weekly handouts that it is trying to avoid.
By giving people only enough to live on each week they are being tied to a life of scraping by without the money to ever break the cycle.
If you can give people enough money that they have excess to spend then they can use it to start something to generate more money. If you tie them to meagre handouts then they will never be able to break the cycle.


When it gets going in generations to come it will be a little bit more than just enough to live on, not a lot more but a little.

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Universal Basic Income on 10:19 - Feb 19 with 2251 viewspikeypaul

Universal Basic Income on 10:04 - Feb 19 by BarrySwan

So basically half the population gets £10,000 a year for doing nothing whilst the other half paying for it don't?


What could possibly go wrong?


What’s new about that ?

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Universal Basic Income on 10:36 - Feb 19 with 2231 viewslondonlisa2001

Universal Basic Income on 19:07 - Feb 18 by Brynmill_Jack

And the unemployed on it would be in a better position to find work. And to possibly train in order to be better qualified and earn better money paying more tax,
Could actually kick start the economy as people naturally want to earn as much as they possibly can.
The minimum wage jobs out there right now simply trap workers who want to better themselves because they can't afford to pay for training. Low ages only help greedy employers, they cripple the retail economy as nobody has any spare income past paying living costs.


Your point about training and retraining, particularly with older people who have mortgages, bills, children, other commitments is a really good one Brynnie.

One thing that could be considered is a type of student loan facility, designed for that purpose, where people only start paying it off (or keep paying it off), if their earnings go above a certain amount. And, as with student loans, it gets wiped after a period. Like an advance really on future pay.
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