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The draft (important word) treaty only gives written effect to the “deal” the U.K. agreed to and the PM hailed as a triump at the back end of last year. The U.K. is giving the EU nothing to work with. We have no leadership , direction or policy. We are a f*cking shambles.
Is the EU trying to give the UK an agreement they can't accept? on 20:04 - Feb 28 by exiledclaseboy
The draft (important word) treaty only gives written effect to the “deal” the U.K. agreed to and the PM hailed as a triump at the back end of last year. The U.K. is giving the EU nothing to work with. We have no leadership , direction or policy. We are a f*cking shambles.
And yet the consensus vote of the PS brain tank is that it's all the EU's fault.
At every other EU border the EU requires its vassal states to control their border (infrastructure paid for by the EU state etc.)
Their problem, and it IS THEIR PROBLEM, is that it will be the ROI who will suffer the burden...a ROI where the EU is not as popular as some of their politicians like to make out, where they are now due to become net contributors (without all these extra costs) and who will be most affected by tariffs on trade between the UK and the EU.
You tell the EU to go swivel and keep the option on the table (for the sake of the Irish) for a sensible compromise...put a date on it, if it is not sorted by that date we plan for WTO rules post Brexit and the EU get f*ck all from us.
Is the EU trying to give the UK an agreement they can't accept? on 19:39 - Feb 28 by londonlisa2001
No.
They've written down on paper what May has already agreed to.
She just has to posture for a bit.
She agreed lots of thing to lots of different people, most of which were incompatible...
Other Brexit highlights this week: Jonathan Powell demolishing a gibbering Rees-Mogg on C4 News and the terminally ineffectual Barry Gardiner reversing policy at 90mph to keep his tongue firmly lodged up Jezza's fundament.
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Is the EU trying to give the UK an agreement they can't accept? on 10:21 - Mar 1 with 1565 views
Is the EU trying to give the UK an agreement they can't accept? on 10:09 - Mar 1 by Kerouac
At every other EU border the EU requires its vassal states to control their border (infrastructure paid for by the EU state etc.)
Their problem, and it IS THEIR PROBLEM, is that it will be the ROI who will suffer the burden...a ROI where the EU is not as popular as some of their politicians like to make out, where they are now due to become net contributors (without all these extra costs) and who will be most affected by tariffs on trade between the UK and the EU.
You tell the EU to go swivel and keep the option on the table (for the sake of the Irish) for a sensible compromise...put a date on it, if it is not sorted by that date we plan for WTO rules post Brexit and the EU get f*ck all from us.
So how do we control our borders without a border? Don't forget that was a big selling point for Brexit.
Also lets not forget we need a border if we want to play by WTO rules.
By taking back control, if our country decided to lift the import tax on a particular goods to a rate higher than whatever the EU happened to have, then what would stop the EU undercutting us and smuggling them into the UK via the EU/ROI?
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Is the EU trying to give the UK an agreement they can't accept? on 10:30 - Mar 1 with 1561 views
Is the EU trying to give the UK an agreement they can't accept? on 10:21 - Mar 1 by Batterseajack
So how do we control our borders without a border? Don't forget that was a big selling point for Brexit.
Also lets not forget we need a border if we want to play by WTO rules.
By taking back control, if our country decided to lift the import tax on a particular goods to a rate higher than whatever the EU happened to have, then what would stop the EU undercutting us and smuggling them into the UK via the EU/ROI?
Is the EU trying to give the UK an agreement they can't accept? on 10:41 - Mar 1 by sherpajacob
Wales will miss EU money.
Jesus Christ, when are you lot going to get it. Wales is part of the UK. The UK give money to the EU, the EU give some back. They give more, far more, subsidising French farmers, who are the competition for our farmers. In return we get to surrender our sovereignty and take their rules, which funnily enough tend to be pro-German industry and French agriculture...never British services, which (again) funnily enough is the largest sector of our own economy.
We are not subsidised by the EU we subsidise the likes of Poland and yes, France...and in the past, Ireland. Our economy is in fact put at a disadvantage as are our workers...which is why many on the left have opposed our membership for decades, INCLUDING JEREMY CORBYN.
Is the EU trying to give the UK an agreement they can't accept? on 11:21 - Mar 1 by Kerouac
Jesus Christ, when are you lot going to get it. Wales is part of the UK. The UK give money to the EU, the EU give some back. They give more, far more, subsidising French farmers, who are the competition for our farmers. In return we get to surrender our sovereignty and take their rules, which funnily enough tend to be pro-German industry and French agriculture...never British services, which (again) funnily enough is the largest sector of our own economy.
We are not subsidised by the EU we subsidise the likes of Poland and yes, France...and in the past, Ireland. Our economy is in fact put at a disadvantage as are our workers...which is why many on the left have opposed our membership for decades, INCLUDING JEREMY CORBYN.
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Yeah, but what has any of that that got to do with the Irish border issue being discussed in this thread mun?
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Is the EU trying to give the UK an agreement they can't accept? on 11:31 - Mar 1 with 1513 views
Is the EU trying to give the UK an agreement they can't accept? on 11:31 - Mar 1 by Kerouac
I gave you an example of how it would work, a bit like the Swiss border only we wouldn't be in Schengen.
The Swiss border according to that article is not friction-less (Good Friday red line crossed). That article states that lorries mostly get stopped for checks along with some suspicious looking cars which a far cry from the passage we currently have between Westminster and Islington, or where ever it was that BoJo used in his example.
The Swiss also pay into the EU for single market access and has to implement some EU regulations which it has no input in creating, to enable free trade with the EU (UK red line crossed).
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Is the EU trying to give the UK an agreement they can't accept? on 11:51 - Mar 1 with 1500 views
Norway model: Member of European Economic Area, full access to single market, obliged to make a financial contribution and accept majority of EU laws, free movement applies as it does in the EU.
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