| PM Statement on Chemical Attack in the UK 17:20 - Mar 12 with 62884 views | westwalesed |
Extraordinary statement by Mrs May and also quite scary.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43377856
She has essentially said that the Russian Government is "highly likely" to have carried out a Chemical Attack on the United Kingdom, using a "military grade nerve agent" developed by the Russian Military and threatening hundreds of British Citizens. This is incredibly worrying.
On another note, Mr Corbyn in his response attempted to conflate donations from Russian Oligarchs to the Conservative Party with this act. Disgraceful. [Post edited 12 Mar 2018 17:22]
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| PM Statement on Chemical Attack in the UK on 02:00 - Sep 7 with 1933 views | DJack |
| PM Statement on Chemical Attack in the UK on 00:12 - Sep 7 by Highjack |
What are you doing with a picture of my wife? |
And she is not wearing her burka! |  |
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| PM Statement on Chemical Attack in the UK on 06:44 - Sep 7 with 1909 views | peenemunde |
| PM Statement on Chemical Attack in the UK on 12:03 - Sep 6 by felixstowe_jack |
Some bigoted people will ignore all the evidence. |
What evidence ? Two Russians walking through an airport 🤣
The Russian government is a bit more sophisticated than to leave smoking guns with their finger prints all over the place.
Why would Putin & the Russian government want to kill someone, who they had in custody and then released.
Let’s say for argument sake Putin is behind it, the Russians would have payed some (non Russian) hit man, who would have probably shot the guy. |  | | |
| PM Statement on Chemical Attack in the UK on 07:18 - Sep 7 with 1899 views | Kilkennyjack |
Loh - what you think pal ? |  |
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| PM Statement on Chemical Attack in the UK on 07:20 - Sep 7 with 1898 views | Kilkennyjack |
Dodgy feckers | |
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| PM Statement on Chemical Attack in the UK on 09:59 - Sep 7 with 1862 views | felixstowe_jack |
The look like IRA assassins to me. | |
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| PM Statement on Chemical Attack in the UK on 13:00 - Sep 7 with 1840 views | sherpajacob |
I may be wrong, but I don't think the police have said in any of their statements that the guys are GRU and the Russian state/ Putin is responsible.
The same as porton down have not said the novochick was made in Russia.
The experts and professionals are sticking to the facts.
The politicians on the other hand.. |  |
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| PM Statement on Chemical Attack in the UK on 19:11 - Sep 7 with 1815 views | Jack_Meoff |
If I was a cynic I'd suggest this 'development' is simply a way of getting Russia back in the public consciousness before the coming battle for Idlib.
But I'm not, so boo hiss to those nasty Ruskies.
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| PM Statement on Chemical Attack in the UK on 20:07 - Sep 7 with 1797 views | Shaky |
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| PM Statement on Chemical Attack in the UK on 08:29 - Sep 9 with 1702 views | westwalesed |
| PM Statement on Chemical Attack in the UK on 07:18 - Sep 7 by Kilkennyjack |
Loh - what you think pal ? |
Ok, so one of the most advanced security services in the world did such a shoddy job of Photoshopping that someone in their bedrooms noticed it. Right. | |
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| PM Statement on Chemical Attack in the UK on 09:15 - Sep 9 with 1685 views | Kilkennyjack |
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| PM Statement on Chemical Attack in the UK on 09:17 - Sep 9 with 1682 views | theloneranger |
| PM Statement on Chemical Attack in the UK on 08:29 - Sep 9 by westwalesed |
Ok, so one of the most advanced security services in the world did such a shoddy job of Photoshopping that someone in their bedrooms noticed it. Right. |
Perhaps with all the government cutbacks, they're still using Superpaint 😠|  |
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| PM Statement on Chemical Attack in the UK on 10:37 - Sep 9 with 1656 views | pikeypaul |
He really is a thick coont. |  |
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| PM Statement on Chemical Attack in the UK on 12:37 - Sep 9 with 1621 views | Kilkennyjack |
| PM Statement on Chemical Attack in the UK on 10:37 - Sep 9 by pikeypaul |
He really is a thick coont. |
Listen dumbo ....
Next time you go on a two day city break ....be sure to take two hats, two jackets, two pairs of shoes, and make sure they are all similar but not the same... i mean nothing that looks too bright or anything.
Or maybe some people are trying to make it look like they switched clothes for a sinister reason...?
Some people might find all this a little too bit odd ... ? | |
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| PM Statement on Chemical Attack in the UK on 13:30 - Sep 9 with 1609 views | Jack_Meoff |
| PM Statement on Chemical Attack in the UK on 20:07 - Sep 7 by Shaky |
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| PM Statement on Chemical Attack in the UK on 15:11 - Sep 9 with 1585 views | Kilkennyjack |
| PM Statement on Chemical Attack in the UK on 13:30 - Sep 9 by Jack_Meoff |
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| PM Statement on Chemical Attack in the UK on 16:20 - Sep 9 with 1565 views | DJack |
| PM Statement on Chemical Attack in the UK on 12:37 - Sep 9 by Kilkennyjack |
Listen dumbo ....
Next time you go on a two day city break ....be sure to take two hats, two jackets, two pairs of shoes, and make sure they are all similar but not the same... i mean nothing that looks too bright or anything.
Or maybe some people are trying to make it look like they switched clothes for a sinister reason...?
Some people might find all this a little too bit odd ... ? |
They aren't on a two day break though you cretin!
They would not wear anything bright as it could catch someone's eye and their visit could be remembered. They switched clothes so once again limiting the chance of anyone remembering them.
What is odd, is idiots wondering why professional agents make an effort trying not to get noticed/remembered. | |
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| PM Statement on Chemical Attack in the UK on 16:39 - Sep 9 with 1550 views | sherpajacob |
| PM Statement on Chemical Attack in the UK on 20:07 - Sep 7 by Shaky |
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Opponents of Putin living in the UK have been advised to seek secure accommodation.
Anywhere within the Northern rail franchise should do. | |
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| PM Statement on Chemical Attack in the UK on 17:52 - Sep 9 with 1528 views | BLAZE |
| PM Statement on Chemical Attack in the UK on 08:29 - Sep 9 by westwalesed |
Ok, so one of the most advanced security services in the world did such a shoddy job of Photoshopping that someone in their bedrooms noticed it. Right. |
To be fair, the red circles (in both pictures) look exactly like poor use of the photoshop clone tool, so I can see why people jumped on it. Probably just the quality of the CCTV though. The other circles are bollocks though |  | | |
| PM Statement on Chemical Attack in the UK on 18:02 - Sep 9 with 1519 views | Kilkennyjack |
| PM Statement on Chemical Attack in the UK on 16:20 - Sep 9 by DJack |
They aren't on a two day break though you cretin!
They would not wear anything bright as it could catch someone's eye and their visit could be remembered. They switched clothes so once again limiting the chance of anyone remembering them.
What is odd, is idiots wondering why professional agents make an effort trying not to get noticed/remembered. |
So- just so we are clear ....
Atteck is in March, first photos in September ...why ? With identical time stamps ?
The switch of clothes to near identical clothes is part of the (not very) cunning plan ...
These ‘professional agents’ failed to do their job, and used the only weapon on earth that leads directly back to russia.
The person they wanted dead was held by Russia for years and they did not kill him
Uk forces sealed the property, but sealed inside a number of pets that then starved to death.
Ok - nothing here to see, move along please .... | |
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| PM Statement on Chemical Attack in the UK on 21:09 - Sep 9 with 1482 views | DJack |
| PM Statement on Chemical Attack in the UK on 18:02 - Sep 9 by Kilkennyjack |
So- just so we are clear ....
Atteck is in March, first photos in September ...why ? With identical time stamps ?
The switch of clothes to near identical clothes is part of the (not very) cunning plan ...
These ‘professional agents’ failed to do their job, and used the only weapon on earth that leads directly back to russia.
The person they wanted dead was held by Russia for years and they did not kill him
Uk forces sealed the property, but sealed inside a number of pets that then starved to death.
Ok - nothing here to see, move along please .... |
Atteck is in March, first photos in September ...why ? Really. The police and security apparatus have looked in a haystack of CCTV footage and eventually managed to divine from the movement that they had the "needle" they were looking for, If they knew who had come to do the job then they would have come up with the images sooner. Perhaps you could ask Russia to notify us of the details of any future agents so we can find footage of them quickly.
With identical time stamps ? These guys obviously walked through the gates at the same time, hence the time stamp. You join in with the shill's shout of photoshopped images but ignore the fact that if they were photoshopped the time would have also been altered to give more "credibility"
The switch of clothes to near identical clothes is part of the (not very) cunning plan ... You obviously don't understand the need not to attract attention to themselves and you missed the fact that the bearded bloke is wearing the SAME jacket in both pictures,
These ‘professional agents’ failed to do their job, and used the only weapon on earth that leads directly back to russia. It been oft repeated that Russia doesn't care who knows that they did it all they care is that it "can't" be proven
The person they wanted dead was held by Russia for years and they did not kill him He was used in a prisoner exchange - hence why he was kept alive. Then he was targeted to die, by a different Russian regime, to send a message to anyone else who may consider ditching the Motherland
Uk forces sealed the property, but sealed inside a number of pets that then starved to death. So? | |
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| PM Statement on Chemical Attack in the UK on 21:36 - Sep 9 with 1464 views | Shaky |
Sergei Skripal and the Russian disinformation game
By Joel Gunter & Olga Robinson
BBC News, 9 September 2018
When the UK authorities announced on Wednesday that they suspected two alleged Russian agents in the poisoning of former Russian spy Sergei Skripal and his daughter in Salisbury, they released CCTV images of the suspects arriving at Gatwick airport.
Two of the images, framed side by side, began to spread on social media, driven by pro-Russia conspiracy theorists and suspected troll accounts. They showed the alleged agents - Alexander Petrov and Ruslan Boshirov - passing through a non-return gate at the airport.
The images had identical timestamps. How could two men be in exactly the same place at the same time, a flood of tweets asked.
Speaking on state TV, Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova claimed that either "the date and the exact time were superimposed on the image" or that Russian intelligence officers had "mastered the skill of walking simultaneously".
Her remarks were echoed by pro-Kremlin accounts on Twitter and on the messaging app Telegram, which is popular in Russia. Users suggested the CCTV images had been manipulated. They mocked the British authorities and alleged it was an MI6 operation.
Soon it would not necessarily matter that the background of the CCTV images were not identical; that the camera was at a different angle; that Google Maps shows that the non-return gates at Gatwick are a series of near-identical corridors that the two men could easily have passed down, adjacent to one another, at the same time.
What would matter would be that some people following the story would begin to question what was real and what wasn't. Some might even begin to question the very idea that there was a real, reliable version of events at all.
Russia denies any involvement in the Skripal case, and its embassy in London did not respond to a request for comment from the BBC, but analysts say the Russian state is now the chief exponent of a new kind of information warfare.
A loosely-defined network of Russian state actors, state-controlled media, and armies of social media bots and trolls is said to work in unison to spread and amplify multiple narratives and conspiracies around cases like the Skripal poisoning. The goal is no longer to deny or disprove an official version of events, it is to flood the zone with so many competing versions that nothing seems to make sense.
"What is really striking is that you no longer see the Russian machine pushing a single message, it pushes dozens of messages," said Ben Nimmo, a senior fellow at the Atlantic Council who studies Russian disinformation. "The idea is to confuse people."
Other theories circulating on Wednesday included a claim that the suspects were British actors, stars of a (non-existent) KGB spy series broadcast on British television in the 2000s. Another suggested the attempted assassination in Salisbury, and the deaths of other Russian nationals in Britain, were part of an MI6 plot. "Why do all these horrible events only happen in Britain?" asked Andrei Klimov, a Russian member of parliament, on state TV.
"The more different theories you put out, the more different Google results you're going to get," said Mr Nimmo. "So instead of seeing two or three different versions of the story you're seeing 20 or 30. And for someone who is not following the story regularly that becomes more and more confusing until they give up. And at that point, the Russian disinformation has had its effect."
Early evidence of the tactic can be traced back to the 2000s but it first drew serious international attention in 2014 when Malaysian Airlines flight MH-17 was shot down over Ukraine, killing 298 people. The evidence pointed to a Russian-supplied surface-to-air missile fired from rebel-held territory in east Ukraine.
Russia had already been accused of deploying crude disinformation techniques around its actions in east Ukraine and its annexation of Crimea, but its response to being linked to the downing of MH-17 was on a different scale - the "tipping point where Russian information warfare kicked into high gear", Mr Nimmo said.
In the days and months after the aircraft was shot down, Russian state media and pro-Kremlin social accounts pushed out a raft of different and wildly contradictory theories: that a Ukrainian Su-25 combat aircraft had been picked up by radar near MH-17; that video evidence showed a missile being fired from government, not separatist, territory; that Ukrainian fighters had mistaken MH-17 for Vladimir Putin's plane in an assassination attempt; that the CIA was behind it.
"MH-17 is really the classic example," said Samantha Bradshaw, a researcher on computational propaganda at the University of Oxford.
"You saw a whole series of different conspiracies and competing narratives emerge, attached to various hashtags and social media campaigns. The goal was to confuse people, to polarise them, to push them further and further away from reality."
The technique expanded and evolved in the years after the MH-17 attack, with Russia linked to disinformation campaigns around its actions in Syria, the 2016 US election, the murder of Boris Nemtsov, and a UK inquiry into the murder of former Russian intelligence officer Alexander Litvinenko in London.
A key component in recent iterations of the tactic has been the use of humour and ridicule. When a UK inquiry found in 2016 that Russian president Vladimir Putin "probably approved" the murder of Litvinenko, a hashtag - #putinprobablyapproved - spread through Twitter, with tweets suggesting Mr Putin had "probably approved" the assassination of JFK, the invasion of Iraq, climate change and more.
In the hours after the UK named the suspects in the Skripal case, a flood of near-identical tweets used pictures of comedians, historical figures and Hollywood spies - from Joseph Stalin to Jason Bourne - in place of the suspects, mocking the UK's announcement.
The official account of the Russian embassy in London even joined in, posting an image of the two Skripal suspects allegedly carrying the Novichok toxin alongside a picture of British police in biohazard suits, asking users to "spot the difference". On Russian state news bulletins, anchors reported the news with a mixture of disbelief and sarcasm.
"The strategy is optimised for the internet, it's meant to go viral," said Mr Nimmo. "That's why mockery and sarcasm and attempts at funny memes are so much a part of this ... It is disinformation for the information age."
In 2015, the European Union was sufficiently alarmed by Russian disinformation that it created a task force - the East Stratcom team - directed solely at counteracting the perceived threat. The small team attempts to debunk fake stories in real time, but it is reportedly vastly outmatched by the amount of material coming its way.
Peter Wilson, the UK ambassador to the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons, said earlier this year the OPCW had counted more than 30 different Russian theories swirling around the poisoning of Sergei and Yulia Skripal.
The effectiveness and reach of this type of disinformation operation in the West is debatable. A YouGov poll conducted earlier found that 75% of Britons believed that the Russian state was behind the Skripal poisoning, while just 5% said they thought Russia was innocent. But the sheer volume of Russian disinformation being exported abroad remained a major cause for concern, said one EU official who works on the issue but was not authorised to speak about it publicly.
"Some people like to think this tactic was used around Brexit and it went away, or it was used around Skripal and went away, but it's happening 24/7," he said. "Others also use disinformation, of course ... But this aggression, this exporting of information narratives abroad, this is really something where Russia is number one in the world."
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| PM Statement on Chemical Attack in the UK on 02:11 - Sep 10 with 1408 views | Groo |
I'm amazed how many support an aggressive foreign government against their own Country.
70 odd years ago they would have been shot. |  |
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