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Inane Poll No1: How do you prefer your breakfast eggs? on 08:22 - Mar 19 by E20Jack
It is not a myth in the slightest. "Fat" is too generic a term to say it is good or bad, there are many types of fats and many are essential to human health. That isn't the debate.
The world health organisation has now said the amount of saturated fat (essentially animal products) that should be in a human's diet should be limited to as little as possible, the amount of trans fats should be almost none.
There is a reason for that. It is not our natural food source.
You don't see many lions clutching at their chests having a build up of plaque in their arteries from excess sat and trans fat consumption.
You also don't get tortoises keeling over and dying from excess green consumption.
If it is your natural food source then it is very unlikely to kill you no matter how much you eat of it. That form-fitting all species. Yet it only seems to be humans that are intent on causing their own dierty epidemics through financial greed and convenience.
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Yes, too much is linked to corporate greed. There's an interesting concept called the "Israeli Paradox", they have a diet high in 'good' fat yet there is a disproportionate amount of CHD. However this is a good chance to use the 'correlation does not prove causation' proverb, as this may be linked to the conflict in the region.
Inane Poll No1: How do you prefer your breakfast eggs? on 08:25 - Mar 19 by waynekerr55
Yes, too much is linked to corporate greed. There's an interesting concept called the "Israeli Paradox", they have a diet high in 'good' fat yet there is a disproportionate amount of CHD. However this is a good chance to use the 'correlation does not prove causation' proverb, as this may be linked to the conflict in the region.
It is all pretty simple.
Eat a plant based diet and 80% of our biggest diet related killers will be wiped out over night.
No other species on earth drinks the milk of another species. It's just weird. And normalised in society.
Look around you. Look at yourself in the mirror. Do you see anything on your body designed to kill and eat animals? You nails get broken opening the mail, your teeth chip eating an apple and nearly good enough to tear open a packet of nuts.
We are dying and filling our hospitals because we are filling our diets with stuff we should not be eating ad humans. The fact we can eat something doesn't mean we should - otherwise we may aswell suck on faeces - cooked of course.
Inane Poll No1: How do you prefer your breakfast eggs? on 08:31 - Mar 19 by E20Jack
It is all pretty simple.
Eat a plant based diet and 80% of our biggest diet related killers will be wiped out over night.
No other species on earth drinks the milk of another species. It's just weird. And normalised in society.
Look around you. Look at yourself in the mirror. Do you see anything on your body designed to kill and eat animals? You nails get broken opening the mail, your teeth chip eating an apple and nearly good enough to tear open a packet of nuts.
We are dying and filling our hospitals because we are filling our diets with stuff we should not be eating ad humans. The fact we can eat something doesn't mean we should - otherwise we may aswell suck on faeces - cooked of course.
I suppose it's an interesting discussion. Is that the result of evolution or whether we were herbivores? All very Popper Berlin School for 852 on a Monday morning 😉
Just look at nature. Your biological features and your instincts.
If an alien came down and took a corpse of a natural herbivore and a natural carnivore and learned all of why their bodies are made that way (length of digestive tract etc)... then examined a human corpse and we're asked to categorise it, they would stick it with the herbivores no question what so ever.
As for yourself, look at our instincts. Put a mouse and piece of apple in a child's cot. Do you think at any point the child would ever think to kill and eat the mouse? Yet the apple would be gone within minutes... do the same with a crocodile or lion.
We kill behind closed doors and disassociate ourselves from the act of killing animals because we feel compassion for them. We see an injured animal and we want to help it, we are not visually stimulated by blood. It repulses us. Society normalises it, not nature.
We bite into chicken without having to go through all the various processes we have to do in order for it to not make us sick... and you will probably die pretty quickly, especially if there is no hospital you can access. Does that sound like a natural food source to you?
Inane Poll No1: How do you prefer your breakfast eggs? on 08:31 - Mar 19 by E20Jack
It is all pretty simple.
Eat a plant based diet and 80% of our biggest diet related killers will be wiped out over night.
No other species on earth drinks the milk of another species. It's just weird. And normalised in society.
Look around you. Look at yourself in the mirror. Do you see anything on your body designed to kill and eat animals? You nails get broken opening the mail, your teeth chip eating an apple and nearly good enough to tear open a packet of nuts.
We are dying and filling our hospitals because we are filling our diets with stuff we should not be eating ad humans. The fact we can eat something doesn't mean we should - otherwise we may aswell suck on faeces - cooked of course.
Inane Poll No1: How do you prefer your breakfast eggs? on 10:01 - Mar 19 by LeonWasGod
I think you would find that pigs drinking a cows milk is very much an extraordinary event Leon as opposed to it seeking out a natural source of nutrients and choosing a cow. If it had pig milk available it would be choosing the pig milk.
Milk is the perfect formula designed for that particular species. You will find certain animals having extremely fatty milks, others not so, this is due to what that particular animal needs to suit its body.
To drink another species growth formula by its very nature will not be good for you.
Inane Poll No1: How do you prefer your breakfast eggs? on 10:26 - Mar 19 by E20Jack
I think you would find that pigs drinking a cows milk is very much an extraordinary event Leon as opposed to it seeking out a natural source of nutrients and choosing a cow. If it had pig milk available it would be choosing the pig milk.
Milk is the perfect formula designed for that particular species. You will find certain animals having extremely fatty milks, others not so, this is due to what that particular animal needs to suit its body.
To drink another species growth formula by its very nature will not be good for you.
I know, just yanking your chain
You'll find I have very similar views to your own on this. Although I've never tried breast milk in my coffee (yet).
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Inane Poll No1: How do you prefer your breakfast eggs? on 10:31 - Mar 19 with 1179 views
Inane Poll No1: How do you prefer your breakfast eggs? on 10:31 - Mar 19 by E20Jack
Apologies. Hard to judge on these forums
Good man I knew you were a sensible sort
If you haven't found it already, this guy has a great podcast series. He's a vegan, so naturally there's lots on diet (not just whacky stuff, but practicing GPs and other medical specialists who are fighting against the tide of the meat and dairy industries). Mostly States-based, but very relevant to us over here too.
Inane Poll No1: How do you prefer your breakfast eggs? on 11:04 - Mar 19 by chad
However as Leon has demonstrated your absolute statement
“No other species on earth drinks the milk of another species.”
Is just not true - that is the problem with absolute statements
That picture is far from a one off example, In fact in some cultures it is not unknown for women to breast feed their animals if necessary
That isn't the animals choice though is it. Remember "can" does not equal "should".
I have no doubt animals also have survival instincts and will stray from their natural food sources if they must... but that isn't the situation we are looking at. I was speaking on the whole, not isolated incidents.
Find me an animal that goes out of its way to ignore it's own milk to drink another species as a matter of the species choice. You will have to look damned hard.
Humans are not in a survival situation, they have plenty of natural food sources around. Those that don't have the luxury of choice and have a largely animal based diet live shorter lives.
Inane Poll No1: How do you prefer your breakfast eggs? on 11:14 - Mar 19 by E20Jack
That isn't the animals choice though is it. Remember "can" does not equal "should".
I have no doubt animals also have survival instincts and will stray from their natural food sources if they must... but that isn't the situation we are looking at. I was speaking on the whole, not isolated incidents.
Find me an animal that goes out of its way to ignore it's own milk to drink another species as a matter of the species choice. You will have to look damned hard.
Humans are not in a survival situation, they have plenty of natural food sources around. Those that don't have the luxury of choice and have a largely animal based diet live shorter lives.
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On that basis, Argentinians should have a very short lifespan.
Inane Poll No1: How do you prefer your breakfast eggs? on 11:14 - Mar 19 by E20Jack
That isn't the animals choice though is it. Remember "can" does not equal "should".
I have no doubt animals also have survival instincts and will stray from their natural food sources if they must... but that isn't the situation we are looking at. I was speaking on the whole, not isolated incidents.
Find me an animal that goes out of its way to ignore it's own milk to drink another species as a matter of the species choice. You will have to look damned hard.
Humans are not in a survival situation, they have plenty of natural food sources around. Those that don't have the luxury of choice and have a largely animal based diet live shorter lives.
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None of that makes your absolute statement I quoted true though does it?
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Inane Poll No1: How do you prefer your breakfast eggs? on 11:20 - Mar 19 with 1150 views
Inane Poll No1: How do you prefer your breakfast eggs? on 11:19 - Mar 19 by chad
None of that makes your absolute statement I quoted true though does it?
It depends in what context you read my post.
I was making the point that no other animal chooses to drink another animals milk apart from humans. You could nit pick and show animals being forced to drink milk from another species or indeed show examples of isolated survival instances but it doesn't detract from the point other than a technicality of language.
A bit like saying humans don't eat themselves because of an innate sense not to do so... then pointing to a survival situation where someone has. It is still not in a humans nature to eat themselves and unless forced to, won't.
I am happy to state than unless under extremes or isolated incidents, the only animal to willingly drink the milk of another species en masse - is humans. Humans are also the only species to have a worldwide epidemic of dietary health when their natural food sources are readily available.
Inane Poll No1: How do you prefer your breakfast eggs? on 11:33 - Mar 19 by E20Jack
I don't know. Not sure it matters.
I know Carl Lewis has 9 golds if that is something you are using as a barometer.
Oh yes, that drugs cheat, obviously the plant life wasn't enough of an advantage for him to win on his own merit and abilities.
Point is you can guarantee if athletes and their supporting staff know something will give them the slightest margin of advantage in high level competition, they will take it, especially if it's ethically sound. Yet we have very few athletes who have adapted this diet with competitive success?
If this research was so overwhelmingly conclusive in vegans being healthier and physically fitter, surely the work of sports nutrition and science, and thus the athletes, would reflect this?
Inane Poll No1: How do you prefer your breakfast eggs? on 11:45 - Mar 19 by Jack_Kass
Oh yes, that drugs cheat, obviously the plant life wasn't enough of an advantage for him to win on his own merit and abilities.
Point is you can guarantee if athletes and their supporting staff know something will give them the slightest margin of advantage in high level competition, they will take it, especially if it's ethically sound. Yet we have very few athletes who have adapted this diet with competitive success?
If this research was so overwhelmingly conclusive in vegans being healthier and physically fitter, surely the work of sports nutrition and science, and thus the athletes, would reflect this?
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Drugs is a problem in most sports regardless of diet.
There are loads of vegan athletes. David Haye and Venus Williams off the top of my head, but don't know the eating habits of many athletes to know. There are a host of body builders, sprinters, footballers and sports people in general that have spoken out but many don't say anything at all.
Studies absolutely show a plant based diet is healthier than one that contains animal products, I can show you many studies. Could you show me studies that show the opposite?
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