Putin the new Hitler on 08:49 - Mar 25 with 1659 views | trampie |
Putin the new Hitler on 22:47 - Mar 24 by felixstowe_jack | Russia would not have survived without the Artic Conveys which supplied Russia with thousands of Tanks and Spitfires to halt the German advance before the Russians could Transfer its Asia and Pacific armies to the Russian front. Plus the German airforce was badly damaged by the RAF. German war production was badly hit by the allied bombing. Germany also had to transfer most of his heavy Artillery to defend it's cities. No single Country could have defeated Germany on its own it took the combined might of the USA, Russia and British empire to defeat Germany. Stalingrad is often considered the turning point of the war bit Germany actually lost more men and equipment during their defeat in the Desert by the British. |
Russia played a bigger and more decisive part in beating the Germans than any other individual nation. | |
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Putin the new Hitler on 09:54 - Mar 25 with 1641 views | sherpajacob |
Putin the new Hitler on 22:47 - Mar 24 by felixstowe_jack | Russia would not have survived without the Artic Conveys which supplied Russia with thousands of Tanks and Spitfires to halt the German advance before the Russians could Transfer its Asia and Pacific armies to the Russian front. Plus the German airforce was badly damaged by the RAF. German war production was badly hit by the allied bombing. Germany also had to transfer most of his heavy Artillery to defend it's cities. No single Country could have defeated Germany on its own it took the combined might of the USA, Russia and British empire to defeat Germany. Stalingrad is often considered the turning point of the war bit Germany actually lost more men and equipment during their defeat in the Desert by the British. |
You need to look up the casualty figures for el alamein and Stalingrad. North Africa was a side show for the Germans. Something like 80% of German casualties were at the hands of the Soviets. | |
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Putin the new Hitler on 12:15 - Mar 25 with 1619 views | Lord_Bony |
Putin the new Hitler on 08:49 - Mar 25 by trampie | Russia played a bigger and more decisive part in beating the Germans than any other individual nation. |
Purely because of their fighting numbers and production capabilities. Once the Soviet steamroller got its act together,nothing could stop it taking over Eastern Europe. It was a strange love/hate relationship we had with Stalin. | |
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Putin the new Hitler on 15:19 - Mar 25 with 1578 views | WATP |
Putin the new Hitler on 08:49 - Mar 25 by trampie | Russia played a bigger and more decisive part in beating the Germans than any other individual nation. |
If Germany had defeated the might of the RAF, during the Battle of Britain , 3 million German troops would have been freed up and send to continue with operation Barbarossa. If that had happened it would have resulted in the defeat of the USSR and then operation sea lion , would most probably have taken place ( The British by now would have negotiated an end to hostilities ). The end result would have been no D-Day, no American involvement in the the battle for Europe and Germany winning WW2. Not my words, but the words of a senior German General , who was taken to Moscow in 1946 and that’s what he said to the KGB. [Post edited 25 Mar 2018 15:24]
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Putin the new Hitler on 15:33 - Mar 25 with 1564 views | trampie |
Putin the new Hitler on 15:19 - Mar 25 by WATP | If Germany had defeated the might of the RAF, during the Battle of Britain , 3 million German troops would have been freed up and send to continue with operation Barbarossa. If that had happened it would have resulted in the defeat of the USSR and then operation sea lion , would most probably have taken place ( The British by now would have negotiated an end to hostilities ). The end result would have been no D-Day, no American involvement in the the battle for Europe and Germany winning WW2. Not my words, but the words of a senior German General , who was taken to Moscow in 1946 and that’s what he said to the KGB. [Post edited 25 Mar 2018 15:24]
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This German general whoever he was was not the Fuhrer, if the Luftwaffe had defeated the RAF [they claimed a draw] then Britain was likely to have been invaded to take Britain out of the game, Germany would have been unlikely to have as good as abandoned the Western front and thrown even more men at Russia as Britain and its Empire plus allies could and eventually did invade on the Western front.. | |
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Putin the new Hitler on 15:40 - Mar 25 with 1552 views | WATP |
Putin the new Hitler on 15:33 - Mar 25 by trampie | This German general whoever he was was not the Fuhrer, if the Luftwaffe had defeated the RAF [they claimed a draw] then Britain was likely to have been invaded to take Britain out of the game, Germany would have been unlikely to have as good as abandoned the Western front and thrown even more men at Russia as Britain and its Empire plus allies could and eventually did invade on the Western front.. |
You obviously don’t know what you are talking about, and have no understanding of what happened during WW2. With the British defeated, the Germans would have crushed the USSR, and of course they would have sent reinforcements from the west into operation Barbarossa. [Post edited 25 Mar 2018 15:41]
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Putin the new Hitler on 15:44 - Mar 25 with 1541 views | trampie |
Putin the new Hitler on 15:40 - Mar 25 by WATP | You obviously don’t know what you are talking about, and have no understanding of what happened during WW2. With the British defeated, the Germans would have crushed the USSR, and of course they would have sent reinforcements from the west into operation Barbarossa. [Post edited 25 Mar 2018 15:41]
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If the RAF had been defeated in the battle of Britain are you saying Britain would have surrendered ? | |
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Putin the new Hitler on 15:50 - Mar 25 with 1536 views | WATP |
Putin the new Hitler on 15:44 - Mar 25 by trampie | If the RAF had been defeated in the battle of Britain are you saying Britain would have surrendered ? |
Surrendered or negotiated an end of hostilities without a doubt. Don’t forget Hilter never wanted war with Great Britain, he even offered German divisions to protect the British empire, if they didn’t enter the war. [Post edited 25 Mar 2018 15:51]
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Putin the new Hitler on 16:10 - Mar 25 with 1518 views | trampie |
Putin the new Hitler on 15:50 - Mar 25 by WATP | Surrendered or negotiated an end of hostilities without a doubt. Don’t forget Hilter never wanted war with Great Britain, he even offered German divisions to protect the British empire, if they didn’t enter the war. [Post edited 25 Mar 2018 15:51]
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Britain without a doubt would not have surrendered, Britain was prepared to fight to the bitter end and not give up, have you not heard Churchills 'We will fight them on the beaches' speech ? 'We shall never surrender' is a line in the speech, he talks about some or all of the country being 'subjugated and starving' and still fighting via our Empire and navy. | |
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Putin the new Hitler on 18:25 - Mar 25 with 1478 views | DJack |
Putin the new Hitler on 16:10 - Mar 25 by trampie | Britain without a doubt would not have surrendered, Britain was prepared to fight to the bitter end and not give up, have you not heard Churchills 'We will fight them on the beaches' speech ? 'We shall never surrender' is a line in the speech, he talks about some or all of the country being 'subjugated and starving' and still fighting via our Empire and navy. |
Absolute twaddle. I hope Lohengrin reads your rubbish and he will put you right. Firstly without air superiority we would have been open to attack across the UK at the whim of the Luftwaffe - shooting fish in a barrel. The German Navy could engage coastal targets with near impunity and cut us totally off. Then they could have turned their FULL attention to Russia. The German High Command warned Adolf not to open up a second front, he chose to disregard them and the rest is history | |
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Putin the new Hitler on 18:31 - Mar 25 with 1473 views | perplex |
Putin the new Hitler on 19:18 - Mar 24 by trampie | You have that all wrong the Germans threw most of their resources at the Russians and not the British and Americans and the Germans still failed to beat the mighty bear. Its the Americans that have been more of a danger than the Russians to the people of the World, America is the only nation in the World to use a nuclear bomb in a war capacity, Russia developed theirs in response because they feared that the Americans would have no problem using such a weapon again. |
Not wrong at all the Russians were beat in fact they were being obliterated, but then Hitler started ignoring the advice and strategy of his generals which then started delaying the advance because he wanted to concentrate on other different stupid strategy`s hence the delay allowing the severe winter to become a major factor, of course the American were capable of being a major danger to Russia but they were allies the, however they no doubt knew of the potential future threat Russia could become and as I say if Germany had defeated the Russians and that was going as planned the Americans would have then beaten Germany and than helped Russia recover on there terms not allowing them to become the super power they are today. | | | |
Putin the new Hitler on 18:38 - Mar 25 with 1458 views | perplex |
Putin the new Hitler on 22:47 - Mar 24 by felixstowe_jack | Russia would not have survived without the Artic Conveys which supplied Russia with thousands of Tanks and Spitfires to halt the German advance before the Russians could Transfer its Asia and Pacific armies to the Russian front. Plus the German airforce was badly damaged by the RAF. German war production was badly hit by the allied bombing. Germany also had to transfer most of his heavy Artillery to defend it's cities. No single Country could have defeated Germany on its own it took the combined might of the USA, Russia and British empire to defeat Germany. Stalingrad is often considered the turning point of the war bit Germany actually lost more men and equipment during their defeat in the Desert by the British. |
America would have defeated them on there own not only did they have the military might but they also had the nukes to fall back on, so your post is baffling to say the least, they could have won whenever they liked by dropping the nukes. | | | |
Putin the new Hitler on 18:38 - Mar 25 with 1458 views | felixstowe_jack | Lets us not forget at the start of WWII the Russians signed a non aggression treaty and both invaded Poland splitting it in half. Russia only became allies with the UK after the Germans attacked them. | |
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Putin the new Hitler on 18:47 - Mar 25 with 1452 views | perplex |
Putin the new Hitler on 16:10 - Mar 25 by trampie | Britain without a doubt would not have surrendered, Britain was prepared to fight to the bitter end and not give up, have you not heard Churchills 'We will fight them on the beaches' speech ? 'We shall never surrender' is a line in the speech, he talks about some or all of the country being 'subjugated and starving' and still fighting via our Empire and navy. |
Really the Uk were very close doing so but desqiuesing it in a form of negotiation, all that is explained in great detail in the recent film the Darkest hour, thank fcuk for Churchill really, and thank fcuk for the Americans stepping in to bail us out. [Post edited 25 Mar 2018 18:48]
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Putin the new Hitler on 18:48 - Mar 25 with 1449 views | trampie |
Putin the new Hitler on 18:25 - Mar 25 by DJack | Absolute twaddle. I hope Lohengrin reads your rubbish and he will put you right. Firstly without air superiority we would have been open to attack across the UK at the whim of the Luftwaffe - shooting fish in a barrel. The German Navy could engage coastal targets with near impunity and cut us totally off. Then they could have turned their FULL attention to Russia. The German High Command warned Adolf not to open up a second front, he chose to disregard them and the rest is history |
Yes in all likelihood we would have been invaded and but conquered ?, even if conquered as per Churchills speech we would not have given up, the navy and the Empire would have carried on, if the Royal family and Cabinet could have escaped they would have carried on in exile. Russia was not for giving up either they still fought tooth and nail when their back was against the wall, not only did they have the winter on their side but the further the German army got into Russia the further they were from their supply bases, fuel, guns, food etc, an army marches on its stomach, also motivation the Russians were fighting on home soil the Germans far away from home, it was no done deal that Russia would have lost even if Britain had been conquered as there would still have been strong resistance from the Brits enough to keep a sizable German military presence on the island and the British navy and Empire and allies would still have been fighting. [Post edited 25 Mar 2018 20:55]
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Putin the new Hitler on 19:00 - Mar 25 with 1435 views | trampie |
Putin the new Hitler on 18:47 - Mar 25 by perplex | Really the Uk were very close doing so but desqiuesing it in a form of negotiation, all that is explained in great detail in the recent film the Darkest hour, thank fcuk for Churchill really, and thank fcuk for the Americans stepping in to bail us out. [Post edited 25 Mar 2018 18:48]
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Britain is an island nation, the people are warrior like, Britain wouldn't surrender per se, its not in the DNA, if some appeaser had signed something over the peoples head the people would still have provided resistance. | |
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Putin the new Hitler on 19:07 - Mar 25 with 1432 views | felixstowe_jack |
Putin the new Hitler on 18:25 - Mar 25 by DJack | Absolute twaddle. I hope Lohengrin reads your rubbish and he will put you right. Firstly without air superiority we would have been open to attack across the UK at the whim of the Luftwaffe - shooting fish in a barrel. The German Navy could engage coastal targets with near impunity and cut us totally off. Then they could have turned their FULL attention to Russia. The German High Command warned Adolf not to open up a second front, he chose to disregard them and the rest is history |
The trouble is Germany never had air superiority and the battle of Britain was never a draw. The German aircraft losses were 20% higher but they 5 times the number of aircrew either captured or killed. Only 1 in three Allied aircrews were killed the rest parachuted to safety or managed to land their damaged aircraft Allied Casualties Axis Casualties 544 aircrew killed 2,698 aircrew killed 967 captured 422 aircrew wounded 1,547 aircraft destroyed 1,887 aircraft destroyed Hitlers invasion fleet consisted of barges which would have been easy targets, Germany's Navy was far smaller than UK's and would not have been able to defend their invasion fleet. Even with a slight Air superiority German could have managed to land troops but could not supply them as they lacked ships to transport Artillery or Tanks. 638 missing bodies identified by British Authorities | |
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Putin the new Hitler on 19:10 - Mar 25 with 1429 views | perplex |
Putin the new Hitler on 19:00 - Mar 25 by trampie | Britain is an island nation, the people are warrior like, Britain wouldn't surrender per se, its not in the DNA, if some appeaser had signed something over the peoples head the people would still have provided resistance. |
They would have been ground down, god knows what would have happened to our children and woman, remember the Nazi's were ruthless bastards, of course we would have surrendered rather than see our loved ones suffer that kind of turmoil, you seem to be one of these guys who think the British mentality is unbreakable if so you need to stop being so naïve. and by the way all conquered countries have some sort of resistance but they still surrendered in the first place didn't they. [Post edited 25 Mar 2018 19:12]
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Putin the new Hitler on 19:59 - Mar 25 with 1404 views | WATP |
Putin the new Hitler on 19:00 - Mar 25 by trampie | Britain is an island nation, the people are warrior like, Britain wouldn't surrender per se, its not in the DNA, if some appeaser had signed something over the peoples head the people would still have provided resistance. |
Hitler, did see the British as a warrior like people, the problem would have been , had GB lost the Battle of Britain , the Luftwaffe , would have destroyed the British capability to fight on, by bombing the airfields, armament factories etc. You would have been left with Captain Mainwaring and private Pike armed with pitchforks , taking on Panzer tanks. | | | |
Putin the new Hitler on 20:33 - Mar 25 with 1393 views | WATP |
Putin the new Hitler on 18:25 - Mar 25 by DJack | Absolute twaddle. I hope Lohengrin reads your rubbish and he will put you right. Firstly without air superiority we would have been open to attack across the UK at the whim of the Luftwaffe - shooting fish in a barrel. The German Navy could engage coastal targets with near impunity and cut us totally off. Then they could have turned their FULL attention to Russia. The German High Command warned Adolf not to open up a second front, he chose to disregard them and the rest is history |
Correct. The Battle of Britain , was most probably the most significant battle of WW2. | | | |
Putin the new Hitler on 20:52 - Mar 25 with 1376 views | trampie |
Putin the new Hitler on 19:59 - Mar 25 by WATP | Hitler, did see the British as a warrior like people, the problem would have been , had GB lost the Battle of Britain , the Luftwaffe , would have destroyed the British capability to fight on, by bombing the airfields, armament factories etc. You would have been left with Captain Mainwaring and private Pike armed with pitchforks , taking on Panzer tanks. |
All the experts say Britain would have hammered any German invasion even if our air force lost, our navy would have hammered them and then our land forces would have hammered them. German boats with men and materials would have been sinking like it was going out of fashion, the RAF would not have been wiped out even if it lost the battle of Britain and the RAF would have just reformed further North and then taken the fight to the invaders, German tanks if they had landed only had fuel for about a 100 miles from the Sussex/Kent coast, I'm reading it would have been a massive German defeat and most German general types knew it. | |
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Putin the new Hitler on 20:53 - Mar 25 with 1371 views | DJack |
Putin the new Hitler on 20:33 - Mar 25 by WATP | Correct. The Battle of Britain , was most probably the most significant battle of WW2. |
Radar enabled us to win that. | |
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Putin the new Hitler on 20:56 - Mar 25 with 1365 views | WATP |
Putin the new Hitler on 20:53 - Mar 25 by DJack | Radar enabled us to win that. |
Yes invented by Englishman Sir Robert Watson-Watt. | | | |
Putin the new Hitler on 21:09 - Mar 25 with 1343 views | WATP |
Putin the new Hitler on 20:52 - Mar 25 by trampie | All the experts say Britain would have hammered any German invasion even if our air force lost, our navy would have hammered them and then our land forces would have hammered them. German boats with men and materials would have been sinking like it was going out of fashion, the RAF would not have been wiped out even if it lost the battle of Britain and the RAF would have just reformed further North and then taken the fight to the invaders, German tanks if they had landed only had fuel for about a 100 miles from the Sussex/Kent coast, I'm reading it would have been a massive German defeat and most German general types knew it. |
And what experts are they ? The British navy would have been sunk in the ports by a Luftwaffe onslaught. Operation sea lion was postponed because the Germans didn’t have air superiority. Without German air superiority the full fury of the RAF and Royal Navy would have been unleashed on the Germans and most likely put an end to operation sea lion , as soon as they started to cross the English Channel. [Post edited 25 Mar 2018 21:11]
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Putin the new Hitler on 21:53 - Mar 25 with 1320 views | trampie |
Putin the new Hitler on 21:09 - Mar 25 by WATP | And what experts are they ? The British navy would have been sunk in the ports by a Luftwaffe onslaught. Operation sea lion was postponed because the Germans didn’t have air superiority. Without German air superiority the full fury of the RAF and Royal Navy would have been unleashed on the Germans and most likely put an end to operation sea lion , as soon as they started to cross the English Channel. [Post edited 25 Mar 2018 21:11]
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Sea_Lion Peter Fleming, Derek Robinson and Stephen Bungay seem to be in the disaster camp for the Germans. Len Deighton in the Dunkirk in reverse camp. Dr Andrew Gordon in the Germans had no chance regardless of the outcome of the battle of Britain camp. On the German side Goring believed an invasion would not succeed camp, Galland was in the German army was very relieved it didn't happen camp, von Rundstedt was in the Hitler was never serious to invade camp. Donitz said air superiority was not enough. Raeder said an invasion would be life or death for the British and they would fight to the last ship and last man. Germany at no point had sea or air superiority, if they had tried an invasion the Germans would have taken one hell of a beating. As regards the navy would be sunk in the ports, a large percentage would be at sea and the German airforce was beyond hopeless at attacking ships as seen in Norway. | |
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