| Syria World War 3 10:42 - Apr 11 with 78706 views | Lord_Bony |
Is it about to kick off again? |  |
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| Syria World War 3 on 10:04 - Apr 14 with 1679 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Syria World War 3 on 07:22 - Apr 14 by Lord_Bony |
Dear God.
Unbelievable.
We should have waited for Parliament to convene on Monday.
I am disgusted with our government.
There is still no proof to the world as of yet.
Madness. |
Sounds a good idea debate it in parliament while the Russians and Syrian listen to the BBC Parliament radio and TV channels get our plans and prepare their defences. |  |
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| Syria World War 3 on 10:08 - Apr 14 with 1675 views | Jack_Meoff |
| Syria World War 3 on 09:29 - Apr 14 by exiledclaseboy |
A government with no majority or mandate has committed the U.K. military to action without any recourse to Parliament.
Consider that. |
Our ‘democracy’ being shown finally for the sham it’s always been? |  |
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| Syria World War 3 on 10:41 - Apr 14 with 1636 views | 34dfgdf54 |
Why is this such a bad thing? Assad is massacring his own people with chemical weapons, are we expected to sit back and watch?
Or are you all conspiracy believers who think the Media/US/UK/France have staged it all. |  | | |
| Syria World War 3 on 10:42 - Apr 14 with 1633 views | Jack_Meoff |
| Syria World War 3 on 10:41 - Apr 14 by 34dfgdf54 |
Why is this such a bad thing? Assad is massacring his own people with chemical weapons, are we expected to sit back and watch?
Or are you all conspiracy believers who think the Media/US/UK/France have staged it all. |
Proof? | |
| If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face--forever. |
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| Syria World War 3 on 10:42 - Apr 14 with 1632 views | oh_tommy_tommy |
| Syria World War 3 on 10:04 - Apr 14 by felixstowe_jack |
Sounds a good idea debate it in parliament while the Russians and Syrian listen to the BBC Parliament radio and TV channels get our plans and prepare their defences. |
Facking hell 😂 |  |
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| Syria World War 3 on 10:50 - Apr 14 with 1616 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| Syria World War 3 on 10:42 - Apr 14 by Jack_Meoff |
Proof? |
What do you know on the contrary?
I mean that genuinely aswell not in any sarcastic manner, I go by what I see in the news, what is reported by charity organisations working in the region etc, children are dying and being attacked by their own government. I see no reason why we shouldn’t intervene? | | | |
| Syria World War 3 on 10:57 - Apr 14 with 1599 views | max936 |
| Syria World War 3 on 10:50 - Apr 14 by 34dfgdf54 |
What do you know on the contrary?
I mean that genuinely aswell not in any sarcastic manner, I go by what I see in the news, what is reported by charity organisations working in the region etc, children are dying and being attacked by their own government. I see no reason why we shouldn’t intervene? |
We rarely if ever intervene anywhere else in the world look at all the time Israel have persecuted the Palestinians, yet nothing ever gets done regarding that.
We should stay the fuk out of things that doesn't directly affect us and get on with curing our problems at home, look at the state of the NHS, our Roads our Economy etc
Mays a Trump puppet an utter disgrace who you couldn't really trust to run a fuking bath let alone this country. |  |
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| Syria World War 3 on 11:06 - Apr 14 with 1586 views | bluey_the_blue |
Amazing how people have the ability to shoehorn Israel into everything, isn't it? It's like Livingstone's ability to mention Hitler in virtually every interview... | | | |
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| Syria World War 3 on 11:07 - Apr 14 with 1583 views | Nookiejack |
| Syria World War 3 on 10:41 - Apr 14 by 34dfgdf54 |
Why is this such a bad thing? Assad is massacring his own people with chemical weapons, are we expected to sit back and watch?
Or are you all conspiracy believers who think the Media/US/UK/France have staged it all. |
Do you want Syria to be run by Jihidaists?
Assad is fighting Al Qaeda the people who flew the planes into the twin towers and started the War on Terror in the first place, over 16 years ago.
There are no good guys in this war. | | | |
| Syria World War 3 on 11:11 - Apr 14 with 1580 views | Nookiejack |
| Syria World War 3 on 10:50 - Apr 14 by 34dfgdf54 |
What do you know on the contrary?
I mean that genuinely aswell not in any sarcastic manner, I go by what I see in the news, what is reported by charity organisations working in the region etc, children are dying and being attacked by their own government. I see no reason why we shouldn’t intervene? |
So should we bomb Saudi Arabia given all the children killed in Yemen?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jan/16/yemen-war-children-dead-injured-ma | | | |
| Syria World War 3 on 11:23 - Apr 14 with 1557 views | max936 |
| Syria World War 3 on 11:06 - Apr 14 by bluey_the_blue |
Amazing how people have the ability to shoehorn Israel into everything, isn't it? It's like Livingstone's ability to mention Hitler in virtually every interview... |
Well with you being one of Teresa's disciples you would say that, they've tormented and tortured Palestinian and kept them in poverty for seemingly forever, nothing ever gets done and they rarely if ever get criticised.
I mentioned the other trouble spots in the World has well, yet no mention from you on that just Israel, yet you "amazingly" defend Israel. | |
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| Syria World War 3 on 11:24 - Apr 14 with 1549 views | bluey_the_blue |
| Syria World War 3 on 11:23 - Apr 14 by max936 |
Well with you being one of Teresa's disciples you would say that, they've tormented and tortured Palestinian and kept them in poverty for seemingly forever, nothing ever gets done and they rarely if ever get criticised.
I mentioned the other trouble spots in the World has well, yet no mention from you on that just Israel, yet you "amazingly" defend Israel. |
You mentioned no other nations in the post I replied to. Your comments on that situation display an ignorance of anything other than ISM inspired Pallywood videos... | | | |
| Syria World War 3 on 11:25 - Apr 14 with 1549 views | max936 |
Exactly. MONEY MONEY RESOUCERS ETC RULES THOUGH. | |
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| Syria World War 3 on 11:30 - Apr 14 with 1532 views | Jack_Meoff |
| Syria World War 3 on 10:50 - Apr 14 by 34dfgdf54 |
What do you know on the contrary?
I mean that genuinely aswell not in any sarcastic manner, I go by what I see in the news, what is reported by charity organisations working in the region etc, children are dying and being attacked by their own government. I see no reason why we shouldn’t intervene? |
Whatever you're hearing on the news mate, the fact is there is no proof of Assad gassing his own people. It also seems everyone asking the question why he'd do this at this time (when he's winning he does the one thing that seems to justify military intervention) gets shouted down. It's happening on this site, and it also happened on Sky News to the former head of the armed forces - go to page 12 of this thread and look at the tweet posted by Sir_Robin.
Also, here's links to previous OPCW and UN investigations on chemical attacks in Syria.
https://www.opcw.org/news/article/opcw-fact-finding-mission-confirms-use-of-chem
The one from last year confirmed the use of chemical weapons, but didn't conclude who. It also says the fact finding mission didn't actually visit the site. I'm not sure how people are extrapolating it's Assad to blame after reading this report.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-24130181
This article from January 2014 reports UN findings on the chemical attack in Gouta concludes that chemical weapons were used, but doesn't apportion blame.
So is there actual proof it has ever happened?
Also, the question has been asked many times on this thread. There's currently a humanitarian crisis happening in Yemen via the Saudis using weapons the US and Uk has sold them. The government couldn't care less about that. Not one iota. Nor do they care about Libya after they bombed it back to the stone age on lies. Why should we believe they care about Syrian people given their track record? They don't mate. It's all about natural resources, and always has been when it comes to the Middle East, both this century and last.
I'd suggest they're rushing their intervention as they know there will never be proof. I also appreciate that is conjecture at this point but we'll see. | |
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| Syria World War 3 on 11:33 - Apr 14 with 1524 views | max936 |
| Syria World War 3 on 11:24 - Apr 14 by bluey_the_blue |
You mentioned no other nations in the post I replied to. Your comments on that situation display an ignorance of anything other than ISM inspired Pallywood videos... |
No ignorance of anything just undeniable facts, I mentioned the worlds other trouble spots as well I mentioned Israel as a very good example and I've not seen any ISM Pallywood video's either, facts inspire me not bullshit or your undoubted denial.
I don't give a tuppeny one what you think anyway its my opinion and one most would agree with unless they have your political views.
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| Syria World War 3 on 11:36 - Apr 14 with 1518 views | bluey_the_blue |
| Syria World War 3 on 11:33 - Apr 14 by max936 |
No ignorance of anything just undeniable facts, I mentioned the worlds other trouble spots as well I mentioned Israel as a very good example and I've not seen any ISM Pallywood video's either, facts inspire me not bullshit or your undoubted denial.
I don't give a tuppeny one what you think anyway its my opinion and one most would agree with unless they have your political views.
Good day |
Facts, sure... | | | |
| Syria World War 3 on 11:42 - Apr 14 with 1508 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Syria World War 3 on 09:29 - Apr 14 by exiledclaseboy |
A government with no majority or mandate has committed the U.K. military to action without any recourse to Parliament.
Consider that. |
I disagree with this 'Owen Jones' bit of the argument.
This government has the same mandate as any government to act.
I personally believe that Parliament should have been given a vote for all sorts of reasons but I don't believe a government's mandate increases or decreases according to the size of its majority. | | | |
| Syria World War 3 on 11:51 - Apr 14 with 1486 views | max936 |
| Syria World War 3 on 11:42 - Apr 14 by londonlisa2001 |
I disagree with this 'Owen Jones' bit of the argument.
This government has the same mandate as any government to act.
I personally believe that Parliament should have been given a vote for all sorts of reasons but I don't believe a government's mandate increases or decreases according to the size of its majority. |
Parliament should have been recalled considering the possible implications this action could cause, if May wasn't such a weak rudderless leader who has hung on to Tumps coat tails on this, it would have been in my opinion. | |
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| Syria World War 3 on 12:03 - Apr 14 with 1466 views | DJack |
| Syria World War 3 on 11:30 - Apr 14 by Jack_Meoff |
Whatever you're hearing on the news mate, the fact is there is no proof of Assad gassing his own people. It also seems everyone asking the question why he'd do this at this time (when he's winning he does the one thing that seems to justify military intervention) gets shouted down. It's happening on this site, and it also happened on Sky News to the former head of the armed forces - go to page 12 of this thread and look at the tweet posted by Sir_Robin.
Also, here's links to previous OPCW and UN investigations on chemical attacks in Syria.
https://www.opcw.org/news/article/opcw-fact-finding-mission-confirms-use-of-chem
The one from last year confirmed the use of chemical weapons, but didn't conclude who. It also says the fact finding mission didn't actually visit the site. I'm not sure how people are extrapolating it's Assad to blame after reading this report.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-24130181
This article from January 2014 reports UN findings on the chemical attack in Gouta concludes that chemical weapons were used, but doesn't apportion blame.
So is there actual proof it has ever happened?
Also, the question has been asked many times on this thread. There's currently a humanitarian crisis happening in Yemen via the Saudis using weapons the US and Uk has sold them. The government couldn't care less about that. Not one iota. Nor do they care about Libya after they bombed it back to the stone age on lies. Why should we believe they care about Syrian people given their track record? They don't mate. It's all about natural resources, and always has been when it comes to the Middle East, both this century and last.
I'd suggest they're rushing their intervention as they know there will never be proof. I also appreciate that is conjecture at this point but we'll see. |
Nookie Posted this link below last nigh from a journalist who has been reporting in the region since the Beirut days (I was a kid then!)
One excerpt for your perusal...
Now we have our spokespersons and ministers raging about the need to prevent the “normalisation” of chemical warfare, to prevent it becoming a part of ordinary warfare, a return to the terrible days of the First World War.
This does not mean any excuses for the Syrian government — though I suspect, having seen Russia’s Syrian involvement with my own eyes, that Putin might have been getting impatient about ending the war and wanted to eradicate those in the last tunnels of Douma rather than wait through more weeks of fighting. Remember the cruelty of Grozny.
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/theresa-may-syria-war-uk-chemical-weapons-a
With concern to the OPCW, as you already know they are not allowed to attribute blame! Below is a piece of that very same statement that you referenced explaining why they did not visit the site (a war zone) and they explained why the what they did to ensure the veracity of their report
The rapid deployment to a neighbouring country, however, enabled the team to attend autopsies, collect bio-medical samples from casualties and fatalities, interview witnesses and receive environmental samples.
A rigorous methodology was employed for conducting an investigation of alleged use of chemical weapons that took into account corroboration between interviewee testimonies; open-source research, documents, and other records; and the characteristics of the samples including those provided by the Government of the Syrian Arab Republic
Additional to this is a de-classified French report identifying Syria...
https://www.diplomatie.gouv.fr/en/country-files/syria/events/article/chemical-at
Everything else you posted is bang on correct but it is a massive case of whataboutism |  |
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| Syria World War 3 on 12:05 - Apr 14 with 1463 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Syria World War 3 on 11:51 - Apr 14 by max936 |
Parliament should have been recalled considering the possible implications this action could cause, if May wasn't such a weak rudderless leader who has hung on to Tumps coat tails on this, it would have been in my opinion. |
As i said', I believe Parliament should have been recalled and consulted as well.
I just disagree with the 'no mandate' point.
On the wider issue of whether we should take action or not, I don''t understand people's certainty either way to be honest. On one hand, I wish we would stay out of all this as no good ever comes of our actions in the Middle East, but on the other hand I believe that chemical attacks have been made by Syria on Syrians and I can't help think that someone has to attempt to stop it happening and sanctions and diplomacy simply won't work. I find it an impossible situation in many ways, so those that say 'we should definitely do it' and those that say 'we should definitely not do it' are both far more certain than I am on this. | | | |
| Syria World War 3 on 12:11 - Apr 14 with 1457 views | sherpajacob |
| Syria World War 3 on 11:06 - Apr 14 by bluey_the_blue |
Amazing how people have the ability to shoehorn Israel into everything, isn't it? It's like Livingstone's ability to mention Hitler in virtually every interview... |
"Shoehorn"?
Shoehorning" Israel into a discussion about the world trouble spots, is akin to shoehorning Warnock into a,discussion about the biggest tossers in football.
Saudi Arabia and Zimbabwe have also been mentioned, that's who Israel is being bracketed with.
Is criticism of Saudi islamaphobic.
Is critism of Mugabe racist. |  |
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| Syria World War 3 on 12:11 - Apr 14 with 1457 views | Swanjaxs |
I have no intrest in politics and hope this will eventually be sorted without too much blood spilt.... but come on only the Americans would vote in an absolute looney tune like Donald Trump... |  |
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| Syria World War 3 on 12:19 - Apr 14 with 1442 views | sherpajacob |
| Syria World War 3 on 11:42 - Apr 14 by londonlisa2001 |
I disagree with this 'Owen Jones' bit of the argument.
This government has the same mandate as any government to act.
I personally believe that Parliament should have been given a vote for all sorts of reasons but I don't believe a government's mandate increases or decreases according to the size of its majority. |
There are arguments both ways, but we all know what the media would be saying about a labour PM in a Labour/SNP coalition government using royal prerogative. | |
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| Syria World War 3 on 12:25 - Apr 14 with 1431 views | DJack |
| Syria World War 3 on 12:19 - Apr 14 by sherpajacob |
There are arguments both ways, but we all know what the media would be saying about a labour PM in a Labour/SNP coalition government using royal prerogative. |
...and another de-classified report identifying Syria for last weeks attack - my previously linked document(for those who didn't read it) was for last years attack. | |
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