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Syria World War 3 10:42 - Apr 11 with 37564 viewsLord_Bony

Is it about to kick off again?

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Syria World War 3 on 12:21 - Apr 15 with 699 viewsexiledclaseboy

Syria World War 3 on 12:17 - Apr 15 by Lohengrin

I wonder how relevant the UN is in 2018?


It’s as relevant as the membership wants it to be and given that it’s own security council members treat it with disdain most of the time it’ll struggle for any real authority.
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Syria World War 3 on 12:23 - Apr 15 with 691 viewsexiledclaseboy

Syria World War 3 on 12:20 - Apr 15 by bluey_the_blue

Never has been relevant.


Only if you don’t know anything about post war history.

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Syria World War 3 on 12:28 - Apr 15 with 677 viewsbluey_the_blue

Syria World War 3 on 12:23 - Apr 15 by exiledclaseboy

Only if you don’t know anything about post war history.


Oh please, it's always been riddled with bs and naked self-interest. It's always been a game.
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Syria World War 3 on 12:28 - Apr 15 with 677 viewsLohengrin

Syria World War 3 on 12:23 - Apr 15 by exiledclaseboy

Only if you don’t know anything about post war history.


I think you’ll find he knows quite a lot, in fairness.

An idea isn't responsible for those who believe in it.

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Syria World War 3 on 12:30 - Apr 15 with 672 viewsexiledclaseboy

Syria World War 3 on 12:28 - Apr 15 by Lohengrin

I think you’ll find he knows quite a lot, in fairness.


Are you Bluey’s self appointed minder or something? Terry McCann you aren’t.

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Syria World War 3 on 12:34 - Apr 15 with 663 viewsexiledclaseboy

Syria World War 3 on 12:28 - Apr 15 by bluey_the_blue

Oh please, it's always been riddled with bs and naked self-interest. It's always been a game.


All politics is a game, Bluey and should always be viewed through that prism.

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Syria World War 3 on 12:36 - Apr 15 with 656 viewsLohengrin

Syria World War 3 on 12:30 - Apr 15 by exiledclaseboy

Are you Bluey’s self appointed minder or something? Terry McCann you aren’t.


I enjoy his contributions to be honest and I’m hoping he sticks around. I doubt he and I see eye-to-eye on a lot of issues but what I recognise is the importance of maintaining a plurality of opinion on here, as do you.

There’s nothing worse than a thread consisting of mutual back-slapping. I love to see a stick in the spokes.

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Syria World War 3 on 12:37 - Apr 15 with 650 viewsbluey_the_blue

Syria World War 3 on 12:34 - Apr 15 by exiledclaseboy

All politics is a game, Bluey and should always be viewed through that prism.


Indeed; given UN is nothing more than politics why therefore should UN be viewed as some absolute arbiter of morality?

Can't remember the UN resolutions against Iran and Syria for their conduct in Lebanon, indeed even assassinating a Lebanese minister who publicly complained about Syria's influence in their politics.

UN is a talking shop that achieves nothing other than standard politicing to buy votes hence any proclamations it makes, action it takes is generally laughable. That's ignoring their antics on the ground too.
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Syria World War 3 on 12:38 - Apr 15 with 647 viewsexiledclaseboy

Syria World War 3 on 12:36 - Apr 15 by Lohengrin

I enjoy his contributions to be honest and I’m hoping he sticks around. I doubt he and I see eye-to-eye on a lot of issues but what I recognise is the importance of maintaining a plurality of opinion on here, as do you.

There’s nothing worse than a thread consisting of mutual back-slapping. I love to see a stick in the spokes.


I agree, I like him amd his particular brand of answering every point with something somebody else did. He’s the king of whataboutery.

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Syria World War 3 on 12:38 - Apr 15 with 644 viewsbluey_the_blue

Syria World War 3 on 12:30 - Apr 15 by exiledclaseboy

Are you Bluey’s self appointed minder or something? Terry McCann you aren’t.


Self-appointed?

What?

You mean I'm paying him a fair few shekels and unlimited smoked salmon bagels when he'd have done the job for free?
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Syria World War 3 on 12:39 - Apr 15 with 642 viewsLohengrin

Syria World War 3 on 12:34 - Apr 15 by exiledclaseboy

All politics is a game, Bluey and should always be viewed through that prism.


You are becoming very cynical in middle-age, Sir Andrew. What became of the spotty, socialist Herbert of yore?

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Syria World War 3 on 12:39 - Apr 15 with 640 viewsbluey_the_blue

Syria World War 3 on 12:38 - Apr 15 by exiledclaseboy

I agree, I like him amd his particular brand of answering every point with something somebody else did. He’s the king of whataboutery.


Yeah but whilst you claim that, you don't mention trampie going on about Leanne...
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Syria World War 3 on 12:39 - Apr 15 with 635 viewsbluey_the_blue

Syria World War 3 on 12:39 - Apr 15 by Lohengrin

You are becoming very cynical in middle-age, Sir Andrew. What became of the spotty, socialist Herbert of yore?


Became part of the establishment he sought to destroy...
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Syria World War 3 on 12:41 - Apr 15 with 625 viewsLohengrin

Syria World War 3 on 12:39 - Apr 15 by bluey_the_blue

Yeah but whilst you claim that, you don't mention trampie going on about Leanne...


He laughs at it regularly. Credit where it’s due.

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Syria World War 3 on 12:43 - Apr 15 with 616 viewsLord_Bony

Syria World War 3 on 12:36 - Apr 15 by Lohengrin

I enjoy his contributions to be honest and I’m hoping he sticks around. I doubt he and I see eye-to-eye on a lot of issues but what I recognise is the importance of maintaining a plurality of opinion on here, as do you.

There’s nothing worse than a thread consisting of mutual back-slapping. I love to see a stick in the spokes.


Plurality of opinion.

Yes sir,it's the name of the game.

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Syria World War 3 on 12:45 - Apr 15 with 609 viewsKilkennyjack

Syria World War 3 on 10:31 - Apr 15 by bluey_the_blue

Why did Russia kill Litvenenko?

Answer; to send a message to anyone going "off message".

Exactly the same here, attempted murder to send a message to others.

Russia of course deny it ( they would, wouldn't they ) knowing some Brits hate Britain so much they are willing to believe anything Russia claims without examining those claims.


Why would anyone hate Britain ?

Wanting the truth is wanting the truth.
Its not hard.

The cat did it.

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Syria World War 3 on 12:51 - Apr 15 with 586 viewsbluey_the_blue

Syria World War 3 on 12:45 - Apr 15 by Kilkennyjack

Why would anyone hate Britain ?

Wanting the truth is wanting the truth.
Its not hard.

The cat did it.


And you know the truth hasn't been given because?

Because you weren't personally invite to examine every document?
Because you weren't exposed to all security critical intelligence?
Because Lavrov and RT have made unsubstantiated claims themselves?

What you really mean is you don't believe the truth has been given because it's not the truth you want to believe.

Don't discount cats. Cats spend 90% of their waking lives plotting to kill their owners. When they turn and look back at you, it's not endearing as my wife claims, they are really thinking "you got lucky this time, you bastard but I'll get you next time".
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Syria World War 3 on 13:00 - Apr 15 with 568 viewslondonlisa2001

Syria World War 3 on 22:45 - Apr 14 by exiledclaseboy

I have no idea why you invoked Jones there. I’m almost offended but I’ll get over it.

But otherwise I vehemently disagree. Of course a government’s authority is relative to the majority it holds in the legislature. Surely that’s self evident? No executive is legitimate without the backing of its legislature in a parliamentary democracy.. Ask Charles I. Governments can have moral authority and/or democratic legitimacy for the actions it takes. This government has neither.


Oh, because Owen Jones had been tweeting the very point you made since the news of the action broke.

Anyway, back to the point - I disagree. As I said, I believe May should have consulted parliament on this particular issue, but she had a mandate to act if she so desired. Which is why she was able to act. If she had no mandate, she couldn't have ordered the action.

We give certain authorities to the executive. We don't give them less or more due to their majority. If you follow that argument through, you'd say that a PM with a large majority doesn't need to consult parliament about anything at all. They could all take time off and allow everything through by RP.

Moral authority is a different matter, as you well know. And your original post didn't mention it. I personally believe that government should have to consult parliament to authorise military action unless the UK is under imminent threat. In other words, I think we should modify the mandate that currently exists.
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Syria World War 3 on 13:02 - Apr 15 with 565 viewsbluey_the_blue

The problem, Lisa, is that there's an opposition here who want any action taken to be decided by UN. Something that would never happen due to the Russian veto.

Hence going the parliamentary route is just prevaricating.
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Syria World War 3 on 13:08 - Apr 15 with 557 viewslondonlisa2001

Syria World War 3 on 13:02 - Apr 15 by bluey_the_blue

The problem, Lisa, is that there's an opposition here who want any action taken to be decided by UN. Something that would never happen due to the Russian veto.

Hence going the parliamentary route is just prevaricating.
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We were talking about Parliament bluey, not the UN. And the only disagreement (since I also believe May should have consulted parliament) was whether she had the mandate to act as she did. Which in my view she did.

On the UN. I would prefer if all action was agreed at the UN as well.

The issue is, that if any of the permanent members of the security council are involved in anything on the 'other side' to another permanent member, nothing will ever get agreed because of the veto. So, ironically, in the most dangerous situations, the UN will always find itself at a stalemate.
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Syria World War 3 on 13:12 - Apr 15 with 550 viewsoh_tommy_tommy

The U.N. is a waste of space

Been letting Israel kill kids for decades
Yemen & Libya blown to bits
And Turkey bomb who ever it wants while supporting Isis


UN Needs to be disbanded and something different needs to be put in it’s place

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Syria World War 3 on 13:16 - Apr 15 with 543 viewsKilkennyjack

Syria World War 3 on 12:20 - Apr 15 by bluey_the_blue

Never has been relevant.


Hugely relevant to anybody who values peace and dialogue.
The world is a joined up place today and there is nothing that the little Englander types can do about it.

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Syria World War 3 on 13:20 - Apr 15 with 538 viewsbluey_the_blue

Syria World War 3 on 13:16 - Apr 15 by Kilkennyjack

Hugely relevant to anybody who values peace and dialogue.
The world is a joined up place today and there is nothing that the little Englander types can do about it.


Yes, because the UN is a bastion of peace and dialogue, isn't it?

Why there are no wars anymore, even skirmishes are quickly and firmly resolved by the UN.

Those of us living in the real world find that naive view utterly laughable. WTF has "little Englander" got to do with it? UN as it stands is completely and utterly unfit for purpose, only an idiot would argue it is.
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Syria World War 3 on 14:02 - Apr 15 with 496 viewsShaky

The UN Security Council is the relevant body for setting binding international law.

Clearly the veto rights are designed to give the big powers an opportunity to protect their vital strategic interests, but when the Security Council does actually act it gives their resolutions significantly more force.

However, the competence of the Security Council is purely in international matters (territorial disputes, wars between nations, etc.) It is specifically precluded from having to do with domestic matters.

Distasteful as it may be, I don't see how they could have anything to do with ruling against the Syrian regime engaging in chemical warfare against their own population.

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Syria World War 3 on 14:05 - Apr 15 with 494 viewsNeath_Jack

I don't know why we bother with The U.N, or the chemical investigator mobs. Just send a few of the posters off this here thread, they'll have the answers by tea time, they've got most of them now anyway.

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