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Sean Clare 21:08 - Aug 9 with 48321 views

Morganator100

Sean Clare agrees deal to join the Swans

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Sean Clare on 16:00 - Aug 14 with 3254 views

Kerouac

Sean Clare on 15:57 - Aug 14 by E20Jack
And with that the troll reverts to type. As I predicted.

Re: Mesa
I can tell you that (using Transfermarket as gospel...your rules) we lost 6.5m Euros,
or 52% of our outlay, if you will.

Re: Clucas
I can tell you that (using Transfermarket as gospel...your rules) we lost £8.75m,
or 59.32% of our outlay, if you will.

	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ss9VZ1FHxy0
Poll:	Which manager should replace Russell Martin (2) ?

Sean Clare on 16:03 - Aug 14 with 3223 views

TheResurrection

Sean Clare on 15:27 - Aug 14 by Kerouac

Nothing you have said has anything to do with the answer E20 has to give to question 3...no fecking sob stories thanks.

Which of the 2 players lost the most value over 1 season?

It is a simple question that we already have the answer too.

...and the circumstances are totally similar, which is why it is a fair comparison;

- Play the same position
- signed in the same transfer window
- sold in the same transfer window 1 year later

You want to take into account Clucas' injury at the time he was sold...
Yet you want to ignore the fact that Mesa effectively was forced to take a year off from his career...Mesa should have lost MORE value.
He was also sold to a small club in a league which has far less money floating around it, whereas Clucas had options in the Prem and the top end of the Championship.

WTF are you on??

A year out for Mesa?

And a small club? Seville???

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Poll:	Is it time for the Trust to make change happen?

Sean Clare on 16:06 - Aug 14 with 3212 views

TheResurrection

Sean Clare on 16:00 - Aug 14 by Kerouac
Re: Mesa I can tell you that (using Transfermarket as gospel...your rules) we lost 6.5m Euros, or 52% of our outlay, if you will. Re: Clucas I can tell you that (using Transfermarket as gospel...your rules) we lost £8.75m, or 59.32% of our outlay, if you will.

So with one being injured and thus been enforced to take a reduction there's your nominal percentage you cretin.

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Poll:	Is it time for the Trust to make change happen?

Sean Clare on 16:08 - Aug 14 with 3194 views

TheResurrection

Sevilla FC is also the most successful club in Andalusia, winning a national league title in 1945—46, five Spanish Cups (1935, 1939, 1948, 2007 and 2010), one Spanish Super Cup (2007), a record five UEFA Cups/UEFA Europa Leagues (2006, 2007, 2014, 2015 and 2016) and the 2006 UEFA Super Cup. They were also designated by the International Federation of Football History & Statistics as the World's best club in 2006 and 2007, thus being the first club to achieve this distinction in two consecutive years

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Poll:	Is it time for the Trust to make change happen?

Sean Clare on 16:09 - Aug 14 with 3198 views

Kerouac

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Poll:	Which manager should replace Russell Martin (2) ?

Sean Clare on 16:11 - Aug 14 with 3176 views

TheResurrection

Sean Clare on 16:08 - Aug 14 by TheResurrection

Sevilla a small club.......

Sevilla FC is also the most successful club in Andalusia, winning a national league title in 1945—46, five Spanish Cups (1935, 1939, 1948, 2007 and 2010), one Spanish Super Cup (2007), a record five UEFA Cups/UEFA Europa Leagues (2006, 2007, 2014, 2015 and 2016) and the 2006 UEFA Super Cup. They were also designated by the International Federation of Football History & Statistics as the World's best club in 2006 and 2007, thus being the first club to achieve this distinction in two consecutive years

E20.... Whack some smileys up at this retard

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Sean Clare on 16:15 - Aug 14 with 3160 views

Kerouac

Sean Clare on 16:03 - Aug 14 by TheResurrection
WTF are you on?? A year out for Mesa? And a small club? Seville???

No, you are right on that one, Sevilla are not a small club...I MADE A MISTAKE AND GOT SOMETHING WRONG (I got mixed up with Las Palmas, the club we got him from...they were the only 2 potential buyers for Mesa weren't they?)…

...yes a year out for Mesa, we didn't f*cking play him.

Now let's see if you or your boyfriend can admit that E20 was wrong...

Re: Mesa
I can tell you that (using Transfermarket as gospel...your rules) we lost 6.5m Euros,
or 52% of our outlay, if you will.

Re: Clucas
I can tell you that (using Transfermarket as gospel...your rules) we lost £8.75m,
or 59.32% of our outlay, if you will.

Who retained most value?

	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ss9VZ1FHxy0
Poll:	Which manager should replace Russell Martin (2) ?

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Sean Clare on 16:20 - Aug 14 with 3127 views

E20Jack

Sean Clare on 16:00 - Aug 14 by Kerouac
Re: Mesa I can tell you that (using Transfermarket as gospel...your rules) we lost 6.5m Euros, or 52% of our outlay, if you will. Re: Clucas I can tell you that (using Transfermarket as gospel...your rules) we lost £8.75m, or 59.32% of our outlay, if you will.

I never claimed anything about money lost. I said value.

Value is what a club is willing to pay, us allowing him to go for less the very next day doesn’t affect that.

â‚¬12.5m - â‚¬6m
£14.75m - £8m

Dance around it all you like.

It won’t make you right of course but will probably make you feel like you are for a few seconds.

Poll:

6 point deduction and sellouts lose all their cash?

Sean Clare on 16:21 - Aug 14 with 3123 views

E20Jack

Sean Clare on 16:15 - Aug 14 by Kerouac

Clucas retained more value.

How many more times can you be told?

Poll:

6 point deduction and sellouts lose all their cash?

Sean Clare on 16:22 - Aug 14 with 3115 views

E20Jack

Sean Clare on 16:11 - Aug 14 by TheResurrection

Certainly a contender for moron of the year, and this year has been rich in candidates.

Poll:

6 point deduction and sellouts lose all their cash?

Sean Clare on 16:25 - Aug 14 with 3103 views

hobo

Neither retained their value, both turned out to be terrible signings

Sean Clare on 16:26 - Aug 14 with 3087 views

E20Jack

Sean Clare on 16:25 - Aug 14 by hobo
Neither retained their value, both turned out to be terrible signings

Wasn’t the question.

Not best signing, not who lost money, not who was biggest flop.

Who retained more value. The answer is Clucas. We just decided to sell for less to hurry a move through on deadline day but his value was still £8m, hence the £8m bid.

[Post edited 14 Aug 2018 16:31]

Poll:

6 point deduction and sellouts lose all their cash?

Sean Clare on 16:34 - Aug 14 with 3061 views

Kerouac

Sean Clare on 16:20 - Aug 14 by E20Jack
I never claimed anything about money lost. I said value. Value is what a club is willing to pay, us allowing him to go for less the very next day doesn’t affect that. â‚¬12.5m - â‚¬6m £14.75m - £8m Dance around it all you like. It won’t make you right of course but will probably make you feel like you are for a few seconds.

You said Transfermarket figures, and you know that on there (as widely reported) it says £6m for Clucas.

Why do you need to tell lies to help make your argument by making out it was £8m?

You said you didn't dispute the figures and yet you ARE disputing them.
Everyone can see this dipshit.

Despite having multiple suitors £6m was all anyone was willing to pay in order to conclude the deal for Clucas on the wages he needed (the wages we decided to pay him).

So his value as of the 9th of August 2018 was £6m, clearly.

Now let's not have anymore bullshit. Everyone's had quite enough of you, you'll be off up the stairs to gwelly with no supper at this rate.

P.S.
Oh sorry, you don't know what "gwelly" means do you...because you're American

[Post edited 14 Aug 2018 16:37]

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Sean Clare on 16:39 - Aug 14 with 3036 views

E20Jack

Sean Clare on 16:34 - Aug 14 by Kerouac

You said Transfermarket figures, and you know that on there (as widely reported) it says £6m for Clucas.

Why do you need to tell lies to help make your argument by making out it was £8m?

P.S.
Oh sorry, you don't know what "gwelly" means do you...because you're American

[Post edited 14 Aug 2018 16:37]

I did say the transfermarkt figures yes, still do. They state that Mesa was sold for â‚¬6m after being bought for â‚¬12.5m. I am unaware of any higher bids.

Transfermarkt says Clucas was bought for £14.5m and we know we got a bid of £8m. I am not disputing any figures.

Cogito ergo sum - Clucas retained more value.

This really couldn’t be simpler.

Edit - Who said I was American?
Moron.

[Post edited 14 Aug 2018 16:47]

Poll:

6 point deduction and sellouts lose all their cash?

Sean Clare on 17:00 - Aug 14 with 2944 views

Kerouac

Sean Clare on 16:39 - Aug 14 by E20Jack

[Post edited 14 Aug 2018 16:47]

Transfermarket says £6m NOT £8m.

If we could have sold him for £8m we would have.
£6m was it.
That is what he is worth...
and that is what Transfermarket says.

If you can do basic Mathematics you will be able to arrive at the right answer,
Clucas lost more value than Mesa over the season.
The End.

You were wrong.

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Poll:	Which manager should replace Russell Martin (2) ?

Sean Clare on 17:05 - Aug 14 with 2916 views

E20Jack

Sean Clare on 17:00 - Aug 14 by Kerouac
Transfermarket says £6m NOT £8m. If we could have sold him for £8m we would have. £6m was it. That is what he is worth... and that is what Transfermarket says. If you can do basic Mathematics you will be able to arrive at the right answer, Clucas lost more value than Mesa over the season. The End. You were wrong.

No it doesn’t, it says what he was sold for not what he was worth. He was worth what a club was willing to pay as we established in post 1 which was £8m, we just decided to push through a lesser deal as it was deadline day. Very straight forward.

So Clucas retained more value as I said he would.

Basic maths

Poll:

6 point deduction and sellouts lose all their cash?

Sean Clare on 17:45 - Aug 14 with 2809 views

Kerouac

Sean Clare on 17:05 - Aug 14 by E20Jack
No it doesn’t, it says what he was sold for not what he was worth. He was worth what a club was willing to pay as we established in post 1 which was £8m, we just decided to push through a lesser deal as it was deadline day. Very straight forward. So Clucas retained more value as I said he would. Basic maths

Yeah, well I think Mesa was worth £10m + so...

What he is worth is what somebody is prepared to pay for him.
101 Economics.

Burnley were only willing to pay £8m for his services if his wages froze/dropped...Clucas believed he was worth more ...he wasn't.
We had to drop the transfer fee further to persuade Stoke to take him.
This was the situation because over the course of the season his VALUE had DROPPED.

Your opinion is not worth a flying f*ck.
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...because it is you that is the fecking moron and that is plain for all to see

[Post edited 14 Aug 2018 17:47]

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Any chance of this getting back to the OP?

Has he signed then?

Sean Clare on 19:53 - Aug 14 with 2587 views

Swanseaman

Sean Clare on 19:29 - Aug 14 by Jack_of_Clubs
Any chance of this getting back to the OP? Has he signed then?

No news yet...

I've compared Sean Clare to Sam clucas stats on transfermarket

Sam Clucas stats are 22.458 minutes played, 46 goals, and 29 assists

If Sean Clare had played the same number of minutes as Clucas, Clare's stats would be: 22.458 minutes played, 22.5 goals, and 22.5 assists

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/sean-clare/profil/spieler/425456

https://www.transfermarkt.com/sam-clucas/profil/spieler/122223

[Post edited 14 Aug 2018 19:55]

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Sean Clare on 17:45 - Aug 14 by Kerouac

[Post edited 14 Aug 2018 17:47]

Did anyone bid 10m for Mesa then?

No.

Yes agreed. Burnley were prepared to pay £8m. Ergo, he’s worth £8m. (Not for the first time, you made up the bit about the salary reduction to help your dying stance. Link?)

No amount of you throwing your toys out of the pram changes that I’m afraid.

So 2 CB’a and more value in Clucas as I said.

Try again then.

Ta

[Post edited 14 Aug 2018 20:40]

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Sean Clare on 17:45 - Aug 14 by Kerouac

[Post edited 14 Aug 2018 17:47]

That's just f*cking annoying

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E20Jack

It’s what’s trolls do when they know they are beaten by sense.

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Sean Clare on 20:38 - Aug 14 by E20Jack
Did anyone bid 10m for Mesa then? No. Yes agreed. Burnley were prepared to pay £8m. Ergo, he’s worth £8m. (Not for the first time, you made up the bit about the salary reduction to help your dying stance. Link?) No amount of you throwing your toys out of the pram changes that I’m afraid. So 2 CB’a and more value in Clucas as I said. Try again then. Ta [Post edited 14 Aug 2018 20:40]

They may have bid £8m and we may have accepted it...but they didn't hand over £8m, that's because they concluded he didn't represent good value at £8m...it doesn't matter whether that was due to his wages or the result of a medical or his ginger pubes, they didn't think handing over £8m notes represented good value...
and what's more, none of the other clubs handed over £8m either.

We could have kept him (continuing to pay his huge wages) and tried to get more money for him in January.

We didn't.
Why?
Because that didn't represent good value.
We calculated that we'd rather have the £6m that Stoke were prepared to pay...therefore £6m is Clucas' worth now.

No amount of magical wishful thinking on your part is going to make that deal an £8m deal for us.
It is £6m and that makes you wrong.

It's ok to be wrong, it's human.
Sweet dreams poppet.
Tell Res not to be too rough.

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Morons.

All of you.

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Sean Clare on 01:00 - Aug 15 by Kerouac

Was nothing to do with the transfer fee. It was the salary he wanted which was apparently more than he was on. £8m they were more than happy to part with - so he was worth £8m. Not difficult.

We could have yes. But that means we would be paying his wages, his bonuses and it wouldn’t have freed up a place in the squad, not to mention the possibility of injury on the meantime decreasing value further. Clearly wasn’t in Potters plans so it was better to push it through for a lesser amount, again not difficult.

Nothing magical or wishful about it. As we have established, someone is only worth a fee someone is prepared to pay. Someone was prepared to pay £8m - he was worth £8m. No amount of crying about it will change that.

Yes it is ok to be wrong, which is why I say so on the very rare occasion. You seem to be taking the fact it’s ok and being a bit loose with your standards as don’t think I have seen you be right yet. Even when you try to point out a spelling error you get it wrong.

Night then kid.

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