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Should the Americans invest and dilute the Trust’s shareholding? 03:10 - Sep 8 with 6684 viewsScottishEddie

Should the Americans invest and dilute the Trust’s shareholding?


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Should the Americans invest and dilute the Trust’s shareholding? on 03:14 - Sep 8 with 2130 viewsScottishEddie

All Trust board members seem to be on “holiday” but hopefully we’ll get some of their views.

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Should the Americans invest and dilute the Trust’s shareholding? on 06:01 - Sep 8 with 2088 viewsE20Jack

Should the Americans invest and dilute the Trust’s shareholding? on 03:14 - Sep 8 by ScottishEddie

All Trust board members seem to be on “holiday” but hopefully we’ll get some of their views.


Don't confuse people.

They don't understand the concept of investing as it is.

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Should the Americans invest and dilute the Trust’s shareholding? on 06:21 - Sep 8 with 2095 viewspeenemunde

The trust these days is as useful as a ashtray on a motorbike.
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Should the Americans invest and dilute the Trust’s shareholding? on 07:07 - Sep 8 with 2077 viewsairedale

Should the Americans invest and dilute the Trust’s shareholding? on 06:21 - Sep 8 by peenemunde

The trust these days is as useful as a ashtray on a motorbike.


Are you suggesting motorcyclists don’t smoke?
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Should the Americans invest and dilute the Trust’s shareholding? on 07:32 - Sep 8 with 2060 viewsswan65split

is this a HJ and a related "you cant get what you want post?"
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Should the Americans invest and dilute the Trust’s shareholding? on 07:36 - Sep 8 with 2046 viewsScottishEddie

Should the Americans invest and dilute the Trust’s shareholding? on 07:32 - Sep 8 by swan65split

is this a HJ and a related "you cant get what you want post?"


You’ve lost me there, just answer the question

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Should the Americans invest and dilute the Trust’s shareholding? on 07:58 - Sep 8 with 2014 viewspeenemunde

Should the Americans invest and dilute the Trust’s shareholding? on 07:07 - Sep 8 by airedale

Are you suggesting motorcyclists don’t smoke?


Did I say that ?
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Should the Americans invest and dilute the Trust’s shareholding? on 08:26 - Sep 8 with 1981 viewsShaky

This is clearly intended as a WUM thread, but over the past few days the more I have thought about this the more I am convinced that the Americans should in fact invest new money to dilute the Trust's shares.

But only on the condition the Americans first buy out the Trust's ownership stake in the same percentage as in respect to the sellers back in July 2016 at the same price.

That would leave the Trust with around 6% of the club and around £15 million in cash.

The club could then create and sell new shares in the amount of £30 million, that Kaplan & Co and the Trust could subscribe for 50/50, on condition the Trust is granted the protections and influence they demand.

The valuation of the club as it stands today then becomes a critical item for negotiation at the mediation.

As I have extensively argued the club is currently effectively worthless, and on that basis the Trust would end up owning 50% of the recapitalised company (£15/30million).

However, to give the Americans something in return for giving up their cast iron desire to maintain complete control, the Trust could consider dealing at up to a £30 million pre-money valuation.

That would give the Trust a minimum of 28% of the company after dilution of their remaining stake, and you could take the view that this is not much different from the current 21%. But the key difference is that the club would be able to wipe out it's debts and have a substantially stronger financial base to build from.

You could also make an argument that it would be better to press Kaplan for payment in full in cash and then wait and see what happens.

However, there is a fair chance that he will refuse to pay up and let the club fail financially, and even if he does without a recapitalisation the club could spiral down the divisions.

On balance I think this kind of route offers the best outcome for the club.
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Should the Americans invest and dilute the Trust’s shareholding? on 08:33 - Sep 8 with 1962 viewspeenemunde

Should the Americans invest and dilute the Trust’s shareholding? on 08:26 - Sep 8 by Shaky

This is clearly intended as a WUM thread, but over the past few days the more I have thought about this the more I am convinced that the Americans should in fact invest new money to dilute the Trust's shares.

But only on the condition the Americans first buy out the Trust's ownership stake in the same percentage as in respect to the sellers back in July 2016 at the same price.

That would leave the Trust with around 6% of the club and around £15 million in cash.

The club could then create and sell new shares in the amount of £30 million, that Kaplan & Co and the Trust could subscribe for 50/50, on condition the Trust is granted the protections and influence they demand.

The valuation of the club as it stands today then becomes a critical item for negotiation at the mediation.

As I have extensively argued the club is currently effectively worthless, and on that basis the Trust would end up owning 50% of the recapitalised company (£15/30million).

However, to give the Americans something in return for giving up their cast iron desire to maintain complete control, the Trust could consider dealing at up to a £30 million pre-money valuation.

That would give the Trust a minimum of 28% of the company after dilution of their remaining stake, and you could take the view that this is not much different from the current 21%. But the key difference is that the club would be able to wipe out it's debts and have a substantially stronger financial base to build from.

You could also make an argument that it would be better to press Kaplan for payment in full in cash and then wait and see what happens.

However, there is a fair chance that he will refuse to pay up and let the club fail financially, and even if he does without a recapitalisation the club could spiral down the divisions.

On balance I think this kind of route offers the best outcome for the club.
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Ffs.
That’s a bit like a Ferrari showroom trying to sell one of its cars for the same price, just after it’s been involved in a head on collision.
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Should the Americans invest and dilute the Trust’s shareholding? on 08:34 - Sep 8 with 1958 viewsCatullus

If the Americans wanted to dilute the trusts holding, why would they do anything Shaky has suggested?
They definitely would not increase the trusts shareholding in any form as if they pass 25% they can't be mad to sell. More likely they would want to shrink the trusts shareholding and increase their own and then possibly try to force the trust into selling completely, taking away any hope of finding out whats going on....until it happens.

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Should the Americans invest and dilute the Trust’s shareholding? on 08:36 - Sep 8 with 1947 viewsShaky

Should the Americans invest and dilute the Trust’s shareholding? on 08:33 - Sep 8 by peenemunde

Ffs.
That’s a bit like a Ferrari showroom trying to sell one of its cars for the same price, just after it’s been involved in a head on collision.


I have no idea what you are trying to say there dickhead, and I bet neither do you.

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Should the Americans invest and dilute the Trust’s shareholding? on 08:36 - Sep 8 with 1944 viewsTheResurrection

Shaky is an absolute clown.

And this poll is superb, very keen to see the end result.

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Should the Americans invest and dilute the Trust’s shareholding? on 08:39 - Sep 8 with 1934 viewspeenemunde

Should the Americans invest and dilute the Trust’s shareholding? on 08:36 - Sep 8 by Shaky

I have no idea what you are trying to say there dickhead, and I bet neither do you.


That’s because you’re a bit thick.
You want the Americans to buy shares from the trust at the price that they were when the club was in the PL.
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Should the Americans invest and dilute the Trust’s shareholding? on 08:41 - Sep 8 with 1928 viewsShaky

Should the Americans invest and dilute the Trust’s shareholding? on 08:34 - Sep 8 by Catullus

If the Americans wanted to dilute the trusts holding, why would they do anything Shaky has suggested?
They definitely would not increase the trusts shareholding in any form as if they pass 25% they can't be mad to sell. More likely they would want to shrink the trusts shareholding and increase their own and then possibly try to force the trust into selling completely, taking away any hope of finding out whats going on....until it happens.


I was being facetious in the intro.

OF course this structure wouldn't dilute the Trust, quite the contrary.

But the key point is that the fruits of the Trust's legal action would go immediately back into the club's coffers and so benefit Kaplan & Co in the long term, and as such compensate them for their reduced level of control.

Everyone's a winner, baby.

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Should the Americans invest and dilute the Trust’s shareholding? on 09:09 - Sep 8 with 1888 viewsTheResurrection

Should the Americans invest and dilute the Trust’s shareholding? on 08:26 - Sep 8 by Shaky

This is clearly intended as a WUM thread, but over the past few days the more I have thought about this the more I am convinced that the Americans should in fact invest new money to dilute the Trust's shares.

But only on the condition the Americans first buy out the Trust's ownership stake in the same percentage as in respect to the sellers back in July 2016 at the same price.

That would leave the Trust with around 6% of the club and around £15 million in cash.

The club could then create and sell new shares in the amount of £30 million, that Kaplan & Co and the Trust could subscribe for 50/50, on condition the Trust is granted the protections and influence they demand.

The valuation of the club as it stands today then becomes a critical item for negotiation at the mediation.

As I have extensively argued the club is currently effectively worthless, and on that basis the Trust would end up owning 50% of the recapitalised company (£15/30million).

However, to give the Americans something in return for giving up their cast iron desire to maintain complete control, the Trust could consider dealing at up to a £30 million pre-money valuation.

That would give the Trust a minimum of 28% of the company after dilution of their remaining stake, and you could take the view that this is not much different from the current 21%. But the key difference is that the club would be able to wipe out it's debts and have a substantially stronger financial base to build from.

You could also make an argument that it would be better to press Kaplan for payment in full in cash and then wait and see what happens.

However, there is a fair chance that he will refuse to pay up and let the club fail financially, and even if he does without a recapitalisation the club could spiral down the divisions.

On balance I think this kind of route offers the best outcome for the club.
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How to pluck figures from thin and peddle your fraudulent bullshit to the ignorant few who will listen, by Shaky and his technicolor Spreadsheets.

Yesterday he was trying to give fans false hope that the Club could end up in the Trust's hands by default.

Complete Charlatan.

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Should the Americans invest and dilute the Trust’s shareholding? on 09:16 - Sep 8 with 1878 viewsLoyal

Should the Americans invest and dilute the Trust’s shareholding? on 07:07 - Sep 8 by airedale

Are you suggesting motorcyclists don’t smoke?


I think he is suggesting that those who take a free view and do smoke would find it hard disposing of their cigarette ends. I'm thinking more of a modern slant and suggesting a saying regards vaping is suggested coupled with motorbikes. It's the chocolate fireguard theory all over again, fireguards are a thing of the past so may be something like 'As useful as a chocolate radiator hanger' or similar.

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Should the Americans invest and dilute the Trust’s shareholding? on 09:17 - Sep 8 with 1869 viewsShaky

Should the Americans invest and dilute the Trust’s shareholding? on 09:09 - Sep 8 by TheResurrection

How to pluck figures from thin and peddle your fraudulent bullshit to the ignorant few who will listen, by Shaky and his technicolor Spreadsheets.

Yesterday he was trying to give fans false hope that the Club could end up in the Trust's hands by default.

Complete Charlatan.


I feel dirty responding to you, you realise that right?

But the point is what good is the club ending up in the Trust's hands if they have no new money to invest that can dig Swansea out of the financial hole it currently finds itself in?

As I said when I made that point originally, having the Trust end up with 100% of the club is certainly not in itself a desirable outcome.

They would undoubtedly need to find financial investors very very quickly, which would then see them severely diluted in the second stage, negotiating from a very weak position indeed.

Meanwhile the club would be in a perilous financial state. A fcuking nightmare, as I see it.

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Should the Americans invest and dilute the Trust’s shareholding? on 09:21 - Sep 8 with 1847 viewsE20Jack

So Shakys nonsense proven to be meaningless posturing yet again.

Didn’t even last 24 hours did it? Your self righteous nonsense now talking to the Res even in small doses just is not something for you.

What a cretin.

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Should the Americans invest and dilute the Trust’s shareholding? on 09:23 - Sep 8 with 1837 viewsE20Jack

Should the Americans invest and dilute the Trust’s shareholding? on 09:09 - Sep 8 by TheResurrection

How to pluck figures from thin and peddle your fraudulent bullshit to the ignorant few who will listen, by Shaky and his technicolor Spreadsheets.

Yesterday he was trying to give fans false hope that the Club could end up in the Trust's hands by default.

Complete Charlatan.


That was another “original” opinion he stole from me.

He’s clearly now clicked where he got it from and slowly backing away.

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Should the Americans invest and dilute the Trust’s shareholding? on 09:24 - Sep 8 with 1846 viewsShaky

Should the Americans invest and dilute the Trust’s shareholding? on 09:21 - Sep 8 by E20Jack

So Shakys nonsense proven to be meaningless posturing yet again.

Didn’t even last 24 hours did it? Your self righteous nonsense now talking to the Res even in small doses just is not something for you.

What a cretin.


This is a conversation for grown-ups Dim, free from all traces of mental impediment.

CYA.

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Should the Americans invest and dilute the Trust’s shareholding? on 09:30 - Sep 8 with 1819 viewsE20Jack

Should the Americans invest and dilute the Trust’s shareholding? on 09:24 - Sep 8 by Shaky

This is a conversation for grown-ups Dim, free from all traces of mental impediment.

CYA.


I love the irony in that post.

“CYA” snigger.

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Should the Americans invest and dilute the Trust’s shareholding? on 09:35 - Sep 8 with 1816 viewsShaky

Should the Americans invest and dilute the Trust’s shareholding? on 09:30 - Sep 8 by E20Jack

I love the irony in that post.

“CYA” snigger.


The only irony here, Dim, is you and eBoy turning up in this thread tooled up for a good dose of wumming, finding a serious proposal that gives Kaplan, the Trust, and not least the club most of what they want, and then you throwing a tantrum.

Attention seeking, emotional babies that you are.

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Should the Americans invest and dilute the Trust’s shareholding? on 09:39 - Sep 8 with 1791 viewsE20Jack

Should the Americans invest and dilute the Trust’s shareholding? on 09:35 - Sep 8 by Shaky

The only irony here, Dim, is you and eBoy turning up in this thread tooled up for a good dose of wumming, finding a serious proposal that gives Kaplan, the Trust, and not least the club most of what they want, and then you throwing a tantrum.

Attention seeking, emotional babies that you are.


A serious proposal?

You genuinely are a mental case. I mean that with sheer sincerity.

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Should the Americans invest and dilute the Trust’s shareholding? on 09:42 - Sep 8 with 1784 viewsTheResurrection

Should the Americans invest and dilute the Trust’s shareholding? on 09:35 - Sep 8 by Shaky

The only irony here, Dim, is you and eBoy turning up in this thread tooled up for a good dose of wumming, finding a serious proposal that gives Kaplan, the Trust, and not least the club most of what they want, and then you throwing a tantrum.

Attention seeking, emotional babies that you are.


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If only his peers could see him now


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Should the Americans invest and dilute the Trust’s shareholding? on 09:44 - Sep 8 with 1781 viewschad

Should the Americans invest and dilute the Trust’s shareholding? on 08:33 - Sep 8 by peenemunde

Ffs.
That’s a bit like a Ferrari showroom trying to sell one of its cars for the same price, just after it’s been involved in a head on collision.


Indeed

Which would seem only fair if the buyer was the one that crashed it, whilst taking control in a way that was against the part owners legal rights
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