| McDonnell at the Labour conference 17:42 - Sep 24 with 6009 views | waynekerr55 |
Admittedly an extract from Gideon's Evening Standard
"Water bills have risen 40% in the 25 years post privatisation. "
Correct me if I'm wrong but that works out at 1.6% per annum and below the BoE target. Add to the chronic under investment in the infrastructure pre privatisation, I don't get what point he's trying to make. Labour should be smashing the Tories out of the park... [Post edited 24 Sep 2018 17:43]
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| McDonnell at the Labour conference on 17:46 - Sep 24 with 3437 views | omarjack |
Oh I'll tell you what point..
The Tories are the laughing stock of the world.
But this Labour "government" are even more pathetic to the point that they can't even take over despite the shambles of hell that they call themselves Conservatives.
Conclusion? We need a new party that speaks reason. Instead of the absurdities that we have at our disposal. |  |
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| McDonnell at the Labour conference on 18:00 - Sep 24 with 3423 views | Catullus |
McDonnell also claims he can renationalise the railways for no cost in 5 years. Then he showed that Labour doesn't know its own mind by saying in another referendum there shouldn't be a remain option when later Starmer said there would, no options should be ruled out.
We are are stuck with politicians who I can only describe as dumb and dumber. |  |
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| McDonnell at the Labour conference on 18:21 - Sep 24 with 3401 views | pikeypaul |
McDonnell and Corbyn are like two 6th former Marxists from the 1960s
So all companies will have to give their workers £500 of shares each year.
that will never happen and we all know it.
All they do is shout out policy that they know will never happen trying to get the thick working class vote who will believe the BS.
McDonnell talking about nationalising the railways at no cost in 5 years but it was thenn pointed out to him that he had forgot about the cost of the rolling stock,his incompetence is fecking hilarious.
I suspect he got Diane Abbott to do the maths for him. [Post edited 24 Sep 2018 18:22]
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| McDonnell at the Labour conference on 18:24 - Sep 24 with 3396 views | waynekerr55 |
| McDonnell at the Labour conference on 18:00 - Sep 24 by Catullus |
McDonnell also claims he can renationalise the railways for no cost in 5 years. Then he showed that Labour doesn't know its own mind by saying in another referendum there shouldn't be a remain option when later Starmer said there would, no options should be ruled out.
We are are stuck with politicians who I can only describe as dumb and dumber. |
I mean if he's made a point about how the dividends that have haemorrhaged out could have been reinvested for, say lower means tested bills then yes, he has a point
All he's highlighted to me is that despite wholesale restructures and huge divvies the cost has increased below BoE targets, which would happen anyway under nationalisation as consumables etc are subject to inflation [Post edited 24 Sep 2018 18:27]
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| McDonnell at the Labour conference on 18:47 - Sep 24 with 3366 views | Catullus |
| McDonnell at the Labour conference on 18:24 - Sep 24 by waynekerr55 |
I mean if he's made a point about how the dividends that have haemorrhaged out could have been reinvested for, say lower means tested bills then yes, he has a point
All he's highlighted to me is that despite wholesale restructures and huge divvies the cost has increased below BoE targets, which would happen anyway under nationalisation as consumables etc are subject to inflation [Post edited 24 Sep 2018 18:27]
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We know very well he's using that 40% figure so he can bash the Tories with it, when you break it down it sounds much more reasonable.
I'm with Dwr Cymru who run as not for profit and my water bill is ok, it hasn't risen as much as other water companies.
He'd have been better off going with the rise in train fares! Or as you say, the dividends. Billions leaves the country going to foreign companies and rich individuals. It's all a scam. | |
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| McDonnell at the Labour conference on 18:52 - Sep 24 with 3357 views | dickythorpe |
We are in a generation of crap politics!!! The opposition to the government is as bad as it has ever been.
UKIP are a joke and surely it is time for a unfractured, new political party. |  | | |
| McDonnell at the Labour conference on 19:15 - Sep 24 with 3334 views | pikeypaul |
| McDonnell at the Labour conference on 18:52 - Sep 24 by dickythorpe |
We are in a generation of crap politics!!! The opposition to the government is as bad as it has ever been.
UKIP are a joke and surely it is time for a unfractured, new political party. |
It was only the UKIP voters switching to the Tories believing May would deliver a true BREXIT that got them into power.
It's unbelievable that the tories are still leading the polls with what's going on in the country.It tells us that most people realise what a disaster it would be if Corbyn got anywhere near power with his Marxist agenda. [Post edited 24 Sep 2018 19:16]
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| McDonnell at the Labour conference on 19:15 - Sep 24 with 3334 views | controversial_jack |
| McDonnell at the Labour conference on 18:52 - Sep 24 by dickythorpe |
We are in a generation of crap politics!!! The opposition to the government is as bad as it has ever been.
UKIP are a joke and surely it is time for a unfractured, new political party. |
Politics will change, it will move away from the traditional left right contest and it will be more of a cultural divide. The working classes are seeing their jobs and way of life dispensary and being replaced by the attending university and passing exams class.
It's extremely difficult for anyone without a degree to get on these days and the job market is basically dominated by graduates.We are seeing the rise of populist movements, such as B | | | |
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| McDonnell at the Labour conference on 19:17 - Sep 24 with 3324 views | controversial_jack |
| McDonnell at the Labour conference on 18:52 - Sep 24 by dickythorpe |
We are in a generation of crap politics!!! The opposition to the government is as bad as it has ever been.
UKIP are a joke and surely it is time for a unfractured, new political party. |
Politics will change, it will move away from the traditional left right contest and it will be more of a cultural divide. The working classes are seeing their jobs and way of life disappear and being replaced by the attending university and passing exams class.
It's extremely difficult for anyone without a degree to get on these days and the job market is basically dominated by graduates.We are seeing the rise of populist movements, such as Brexit and the Trumps in the USA. | | | |
| McDonnell at the Labour conference on 19:52 - Sep 24 with 3274 views | Jack_Meoff |
| McDonnell at the Labour conference on 18:47 - Sep 24 by Catullus |
We know very well he's using that 40% figure so he can bash the Tories with it, when you break it down it sounds much more reasonable.
I'm with Dwr Cymru who run as not for profit and my water bill is ok, it hasn't risen as much as other water companies.
He'd have been better off going with the rise in train fares! Or as you say, the dividends. Billions leaves the country going to foreign companies and rich individuals. It's all a scam. |
Your last sentence is so true. As is your last paragraph. Get the public to pay for it, build it, then sell it at a knock off price so private hands can benefit. It's absolutely criminal and somehow we seem to have been collectively brainwashed into thinking that this is somehow 'the norm.'
The French, Italian, Dutch and German States benefit from our rail infrastructure. (Let that sink in.) Ours doesn't. It's beyond insane. The Behavioural Insights Team ('Nudge Unit' ffs) along with the media have fulfilled their roles with aplomb, fair play.
Slight aside, this was an interesting read. Karen Pierce bleating to the UN about the people of the Yemen. Bless her for caring.
https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/we-may-be-losing-the-fight-against-famine
Does she think the fact we're hawking arms to the Saudis (for profit) is unrelated to this issue? Parallel universe time.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/uk-british-arms-weapons-sales-sau
Arms. Dealing. Criminals. That's our 'government' folks. [Post edited 24 Sep 2018 19:53]
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| McDonnell at the Labour conference on 20:24 - Sep 24 with 3234 views | Catullus |
| McDonnell at the Labour conference on 19:17 - Sep 24 by controversial_jack |
Politics will change, it will move away from the traditional left right contest and it will be more of a cultural divide. The working classes are seeing their jobs and way of life disappear and being replaced by the attending university and passing exams class.
It's extremely difficult for anyone without a degree to get on these days and the job market is basically dominated by graduates.We are seeing the rise of populist movements, such as Brexit and the Trumps in the USA. |
Politics has already changed but the divide has become an age thing. We have the young accusing the old of ruining their future and even some saying give 16 year olds the vote yet in Wales we don't let under 18's have body piercings because they are not mature enough to make that decision, how the heck can they be trusted with a vote, specially when far too many adults vote like demented sheep.It's the "I vote labour/tory because I always have or my parents did" etc etc that's helped turn politics into pretty much car crash reality tv show. No wonder there's politicans who would argue letting the plebs vote is wrong. All they are saying is most people don't even realise what's actually going on so they probably won't care when the politicians just make themselves Caesar!!
Some people say change the voting system and I'd argue they're right but not just the election vote, change it entirely. Let the people vote on the manifesto so the incoming government knew what was popular or unpopular. Make the manifesto's as binding as is possible so politicians can't just blatantly lie about what they'll do just to win more votes. Imagine an election where the politicians had to give us honest facts and being caught lying meant not just losing your job but your pension and prison time too.
I know, it's an idealistic pipedream and unworkable but can anyone say we don't need a massive change? | |
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| McDonnell at the Labour conference on 20:28 - Sep 24 with 3226 views | omarjack |
I might be crazy here, but I truly think we need a leader like Macron.
A leader who doesn't take sh!t from the left or the right, no more easy route for people who have their own f*cked up religious agendas like ISIS and the like, or those who want to discriminate based on race and religion. A government that upholds humane values, everyone gets what they deserve.
Being neutral when it comes to economy. No hardcore socialism, no hardcore capitalism.
Now the problem with such government might be considered being indecisive. Well f*cking hell, I'd take that over anything right now. Better than supremacy or being a complete jack@ss like Labour at the moment. | |
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| McDonnell at the Labour conference on 23:40 - Sep 24 with 3153 views | PozuelosSideys |
| McDonnell at the Labour conference on 20:28 - Sep 24 by omarjack |
I might be crazy here, but I truly think we need a leader like Macron.
A leader who doesn't take sh!t from the left or the right, no more easy route for people who have their own f*cked up religious agendas like ISIS and the like, or those who want to discriminate based on race and religion. A government that upholds humane values, everyone gets what they deserve.
Being neutral when it comes to economy. No hardcore socialism, no hardcore capitalism.
Now the problem with such government might be considered being indecisive. Well f*cking hell, I'd take that over anything right now. Better than supremacy or being a complete jack@ss like Labour at the moment. |
Macron is an ex investment banker.
His approval rating is as low as its ever been as hes attempting to strip down the very generous benefits infrastructure and push towards a slicker capitalist model and away from the historical socialist leanings.
Give him time and the shine will soon fade. He is much more along Tory lines than he is Labour.
Oh.. and he spends 8000 Euros a month on beauticians to keep himself looking pretty. Paid for by the taxpayer. #image [Post edited 24 Sep 2018 23:45]
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| McDonnell at the Labour conference on 00:18 - Sep 25 with 3138 views | Highjack |
| McDonnell at the Labour conference on 20:28 - Sep 24 by omarjack |
I might be crazy here, but I truly think we need a leader like Macron.
A leader who doesn't take sh!t from the left or the right, no more easy route for people who have their own f*cked up religious agendas like ISIS and the like, or those who want to discriminate based on race and religion. A government that upholds humane values, everyone gets what they deserve.
Being neutral when it comes to economy. No hardcore socialism, no hardcore capitalism.
Now the problem with such government might be considered being indecisive. Well f*cking hell, I'd take that over anything right now. Better than supremacy or being a complete jack@ss like Labour at the moment. |
That has to be a windup right? |  |
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| McDonnell at the Labour conference on 08:29 - Sep 25 with 3038 views | Jack_Meoff |
| McDonnell at the Labour conference on 20:28 - Sep 24 by omarjack |
I might be crazy here, but I truly think we need a leader like Macron.
A leader who doesn't take sh!t from the left or the right, no more easy route for people who have their own f*cked up religious agendas like ISIS and the like, or those who want to discriminate based on race and religion. A government that upholds humane values, everyone gets what they deserve.
Being neutral when it comes to economy. No hardcore socialism, no hardcore capitalism.
Now the problem with such government might be considered being indecisive. Well f*cking hell, I'd take that over anything right now. Better than supremacy or being a complete jack@ss like Labour at the moment. |
ex Rothschild banker man of the people Macron? Blimey  | |
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| McDonnell at the Labour conference on 08:36 - Sep 25 with 3035 views | waynekerr55 |
| McDonnell at the Labour conference on 08:29 - Sep 25 by Jack_Meoff |
ex Rothschild banker man of the people Macron? Blimey |
Sacre bleu! | |
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| McDonnell at the Labour conference on 08:43 - Sep 25 with 3025 views | AguycalledJack |
| McDonnell at the Labour conference on 19:15 - Sep 24 by controversial_jack |
Politics will change, it will move away from the traditional left right contest and it will be more of a cultural divide. The working classes are seeing their jobs and way of life dispensary and being replaced by the attending university and passing exams class.
It's extremely difficult for anyone without a degree to get on these days and the job market is basically dominated by graduates.We are seeing the rise of populist movements, such as B |
I’m no polotical historian but Wasnt it labour who encouraged university places for all, which has led to graduates saturating the job market? And led to some universities running extremely dodgy ‘degree courses’.
Encouraging people to better themselves through education is no bad thing but you Can’t have it both ways. | | | |
| McDonnell at the Labour conference on 08:48 - Sep 25 with 3019 views | felixstowe_jack |
What McDonnell fails to mention is prior to privatisation most of the sewage was poured straight into the season and rivers untreated. The water companies were allowed to increase their prices to build new sewage treatment works and infrastructure to take the raw sewage to theses treatment works. I sure most of you can remember them digging up.the roads in Swansea to do this. | |
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| McDonnell at the Labour conference on 09:56 - Sep 25 with 2974 views | Catullus |
| McDonnell at the Labour conference on 06:37 - Sep 25 by LeonWasGod |
Apparently it’s the EU’s fault that our business owners have sold out to foreign countries for profit. That’s all going to stop once we leave, as they all suddenly become strongly patriotic and put the nation’s needs ahead of personal wealth  . |
Do keep up, it's not business leaders it was our government, our politicians sold the country's assets out from underneath us for personal gain, political and financial.
In Blairs case he really wanted to be an EU President and he's made a fortune trading on being the ex UK Prime Minister.
Now he's busy trying to be relevant again, getting involved in stopping brexit, is that because leaving will damage his profit margin? | |
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| McDonnell at the Labour conference on 11:08 - Sep 25 with 2938 views | controversial_jack |
| McDonnell at the Labour conference on 08:43 - Sep 25 by AguycalledJack |
I’m no polotical historian but Wasnt it labour who encouraged university places for all, which has led to graduates saturating the job market? And led to some universities running extremely dodgy ‘degree courses’.
Encouraging people to better themselves through education is no bad thing but you Can’t have it both ways. |
I'm not saying it's right or wrong, just how it is.Yes, Labour did encourage that and in fact the Labour party has a higher ratio of university educated than any other party.
Education has become a business in it's own right, a money earner rather than just an educator | | | |
| McDonnell at the Labour conference on 11:20 - Sep 25 with 2929 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| McDonnell at the Labour conference on 11:08 - Sep 25 by controversial_jack |
I'm not saying it's right or wrong, just how it is.Yes, Labour did encourage that and in fact the Labour party has a higher ratio of university educated than any other party.
Education has become a business in it's own right, a money earner rather than just an educator |
Unfortunately it has with vice chancellors leading the way! |  |
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| McDonnell at the Labour conference on 11:25 - Sep 25 with 2924 views | LeonWasGod |
| McDonnell at the Labour conference on 09:56 - Sep 25 by Catullus |
Do keep up, it's not business leaders it was our government, our politicians sold the country's assets out from underneath us for personal gain, political and financial.
In Blairs case he really wanted to be an EU President and he's made a fortune trading on being the ex UK Prime Minister.
Now he's busy trying to be relevant again, getting involved in stopping brexit, is that because leaving will damage his profit margin? |
Blair fuelled the environment, created largely by Thatcher. But people still need to be held responsible for their actions. Is it Blair's fault the Sellouts bailed out to the yanks in, at best, an immoral manner, for example?
For the breakup and selling of the nationalised industries, then yes the politicians have a lot to answer for. You'll find no arguments there from me. |  | | |
| McDonnell at the Labour conference on 20:28 - Sep 25 with 2809 views | Dippy |
Politicians represent themselves above all else. They're just puppets. Mere chess pieces | |
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| McDonnell at the Labour conference on 20:37 - Sep 25 with 2798 views | Catullus |
| McDonnell at the Labour conference on 11:25 - Sep 25 by LeonWasGod |
Blair fuelled the environment, created largely by Thatcher. But people still need to be held responsible for their actions. Is it Blair's fault the Sellouts bailed out to the yanks in, at best, an immoral manner, for example?
For the breakup and selling of the nationalised industries, then yes the politicians have a lot to answer for. You'll find no arguments there from me. |
Nobody but the fans care who a football club is sold to. However, when a government sells an asset...in Royal Mail's case sells it off cheap....and all we see is price rises and billions of profit going overseas, no wonder people are unhappy. Private buusinesses aren't a public ocncern either, the owners can do what they like.
The trouble we have today is the choice politically is between the "greed is good" tory and and an extreme socialist Labour.
We need the middle ground but even then, Blair considers himself a centrist and have we had a genuine centrist?
In business terms we all too often see that the bigger a business gets, the less it cares about staff and the focus is firmly on profits. Restricting the size a business can grow to, cutting back on globalism...a sort of capitalism with a socialist bent, seems like a better way to me because neither capitalism or socialism work by themselves. | |
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