| Swansea City Fans For Independence 00:10 - Oct 9 with 11935 views | trampie |
Seems like Swansea City Fans For Independence is up and running. |  |
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| Swansea City Fans For Independence on 20:28 - Oct 11 with 2183 views | peenemunde |
| Swansea City Fans For Independence on 20:14 - Oct 11 by trampie |
Swansea played in the football league for nearly all of Swansea's existence, Swansea did not play in the English football league for most of Swansea's existence but in the 'football league'.
Wales never surrendered, Welsh lands over about 500 odd feet was never conquered, it was just the people on the coastal lowlands like Cardiff and Swansea people. |
You are a fooking retard and you prove one thing Wales would be fooked without England. |  | | |
| Swansea City Fans For Independence on 20:31 - Oct 11 with 2174 views | trampie |
| Swansea City Fans For Independence on 20:28 - Oct 11 by peenemunde |
You are a fooking retard and you prove one thing Wales would be fooked without England. |
Some people think they drag us down. [Post edited 11 Oct 2018 20:37]
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| Swansea City Fans For Independence on 20:36 - Oct 11 with 2167 views | lifelong |
| Swansea City Fans For Independence on 20:28 - Oct 11 by peenemunde |
You are a fooking retard and you prove one thing Wales would be fooked without England. |
What an unpleasant post. |  | | |
| Swansea City Fans For Independence on 07:06 - Oct 12 with 2086 views | TailGunner |
| Swansea City Fans For Independence on 12:56 - Oct 11 by valleyboy |
The losses from the tidal power scheme will wipe out any profit from tourism big time |
Nah the divorce deal with us finally getting what we are owed from Carwyns boys will be paying for the lagoon.
Charging the valley lot to use our beaches and pay a toll when entering our clean air will help too.
Playing Devils advocate..... |  | | |
| Swansea City Fans For Independence on 18:34 - Oct 12 with 2041 views | Kilkennyjack |
Wales was last a Principality in the 16th Century (1542 to be precise). The ISO defines Wales as a country & not a Principality. |  |
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| Swansea City Fans For Independence on 01:19 - Oct 13 with 2012 views | jack_lord |
| Swansea City Fans For Independence on 00:03 - Oct 11 by Kilkennyjack |
How very 1970s ? |
How very 1970's?
We had a decent area back then. Since our sheep voted for the pathetic "Welsh Assembly", the Cardiff centric area has sought to regenerate one area alone - Cardiff. It is shocking how that area has grown at the expense of every other area of Wales. That area was made Capital by a Tory government nor because Wales wanted it.
I deal with the city on a daily basis and the attitude towards any other area gets worse by the year.
It's not 1970's it is now and getting worse. |  |
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| Swansea City Fans For Independence on 07:17 - Oct 13 with 1980 views | peenemunde |
| Swansea City Fans For Independence on 01:19 - Oct 13 by jack_lord |
How very 1970's?
We had a decent area back then. Since our sheep voted for the pathetic "Welsh Assembly", the Cardiff centric area has sought to regenerate one area alone - Cardiff. It is shocking how that area has grown at the expense of every other area of Wales. That area was made Capital by a Tory government nor because Wales wanted it.
I deal with the city on a daily basis and the attitude towards any other area gets worse by the year.
It's not 1970's it is now and getting worse. |
Where are the calls to have a referendum on the welsh assembly ?
According the brexit remoaners people are entitled to change their minds.
So using that logic, lets have another vote on Welsh devolution. | | | |
| Swansea City Fans For Independence on 11:30 - Oct 13 with 1940 views | union_jack |
| Swansea City Fans For Independence on 07:17 - Oct 13 by peenemunde |
Where are the calls to have a referendum on the welsh assembly ?
According the brexit remoaners people are entitled to change their minds.
So using that logic, lets have another vote on Welsh devolution. |
Both would suit me.
But the Brexit second referendum is needed because if what is known now that wasn't known in 2006. And it hasn't happened yet.
But all my christmases (can I say that?) would come at once if they offered a referendum on abolishing the Assembly. |  |
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| Swansea City Fans For Independence on 18:17 - Oct 13 with 1892 views | Catullus |
Why not have all three so all questions can be answered. A vote on devolution, independence and the EU, again.
It seems to me that there are many questions that need an ultimate yes or no answer and the longer the brexit farce drags on, the more questions arise. | |
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| Swansea City Fans For Independence on 18:37 - Oct 13 with 1889 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Swansea City Fans For Independence on 18:17 - Oct 13 by Catullus |
Why not have all three so all questions can be answered. A vote on devolution, independence and the EU, again.
It seems to me that there are many questions that need an ultimate yes or no answer and the longer the brexit farce drags on, the more questions arise. |
1 - Should the U.K. remain in the EU? Yes or no.
2 - Should the Welsh Assembly be abolished and its powers returned to Westminster? Yes or no.
I can live with that. The positives of a yes vote for the first question far outweigh the negatives of a yes vote on the second. And I’m a supporter of devolution. |  |
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| Swansea City Fans For Independence on 19:08 - Oct 13 with 1869 views | peenemunde |
| Swansea City Fans For Independence on 18:37 - Oct 13 by exiledclaseboy |
1 - Should the U.K. remain in the EU? Yes or no.
2 - Should the Welsh Assembly be abolished and its powers returned to Westminster? Yes or no.
I can live with that. The positives of a yes vote for the first question far outweigh the negatives of a yes vote on the second. And I’m a supporter of devolution. |
Well a yes for the first question is now out of the question.
Independence for the British is around the corner, whether you like it or not. | | | |
| Swansea City Fans For Independence on 19:13 - Oct 13 with 1860 views | union_jack |
| Swansea City Fans For Independence on 19:08 - Oct 13 by peenemunde |
Well a yes for the first question is now out of the question.
Independence for the British is around the corner, whether you like it or not. |
I think you may be surprised.
I don't think any politician / party can afford to take us out of the EU, now that more facts are known, without public consultation again.
I know May keeps say a second referendum is out of the question but I'd put money on her plotting how she can do it without losing face and that will probably be about the strength of public opinion demanding another vote. | |
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| Swansea City Fans For Independence on 19:19 - Oct 13 with 1854 views | peenemunde |
| Swansea City Fans For Independence on 19:13 - Oct 13 by union_jack |
I think you may be surprised.
I don't think any politician / party can afford to take us out of the EU, now that more facts are known, without public consultation again.
I know May keeps say a second referendum is out of the question but I'd put money on her plotting how she can do it without losing face and that will probably be about the strength of public opinion demanding another vote. |
Do you honestly think a second referendum will solve anything 😂
It would make matters a lot worse and may even open the gates of hell. | | | |
| Swansea City Fans For Independence on 19:33 - Oct 13 with 1840 views | DJack |
| Swansea City Fans For Independence on 19:19 - Oct 13 by peenemunde |
Do you honestly think a second referendum will solve anything 😂
It would make matters a lot worse and may even open the gates of hell. |
#ProjectFear |  |
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| Swansea City Fans For Independence on 19:38 - Oct 13 with 1831 views | union_jack |
| Swansea City Fans For Independence on 19:19 - Oct 13 by peenemunde |
Do you honestly think a second referendum will solve anything 😂
It would make matters a lot worse and may even open the gates of hell. |
I certainly do see it going the other way. I've said before that there is no perfect solution to this but being in is marginally better than being out.
What I would say though, that in referenda such as independence, devolution, Brexit etc. Where you are changing a status quo, there should be a 60:40 margin to win the vote. Take the devolution (and Brexit) referendum, it was far too close to change the whole system like it did. | |
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| Swansea City Fans For Independence on 23:58 - Oct 13 with 1776 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Swansea City Fans For Independence on 07:17 - Oct 13 by peenemunde |
Where are the calls to have a referendum on the welsh assembly ?
According the brexit remoaners people are entitled to change their minds.
So using that logic, lets have another vote on Welsh devolution. |
Not allowed.
Its the will of the people see, cant ever be challenged... dont you know....? | |
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| Swansea City Fans For Independence on 06:32 - Oct 14 with 1735 views | peenemunde |
| Swansea City Fans For Independence on 19:38 - Oct 13 by union_jack |
I certainly do see it going the other way. I've said before that there is no perfect solution to this but being in is marginally better than being out.
What I would say though, that in referenda such as independence, devolution, Brexit etc. Where you are changing a status quo, there should be a 60:40 margin to win the vote. Take the devolution (and Brexit) referendum, it was far too close to change the whole system like it did. |
Absolute nonsense | | | |
| Swansea City Fans For Independence on 06:40 - Oct 14 with 1727 views | peenemunde |
| Swansea City Fans For Independence on 19:38 - Oct 13 by union_jack |
I certainly do see it going the other way. I've said before that there is no perfect solution to this but being in is marginally better than being out.
What I would say though, that in referenda such as independence, devolution, Brexit etc. Where you are changing a status quo, there should be a 60:40 margin to win the vote. Take the devolution (and Brexit) referendum, it was far too close to change the whole system like it did. |
Also if somehow Brexit isn’t delivered, the extreme right will rise like this country has never seen before. | | | |
| Swansea City Fans For Independence on 08:58 - Oct 14 with 1709 views | Catullus |
| Swansea City Fans For Independence on 06:40 - Oct 14 by peenemunde |
Also if somehow Brexit isn’t delivered, the extreme right will rise like this country has never seen before. |
Far right or far left, when you go far enough in either direction you end up in the same situation. The ideologies are different but the outcome is authoritarianism.
I think you're a bit behind anyway, the gates of hell already started moving. Politics is in a bad place, people don't trust them (politicians) and yet they are a necessary evil. They continue to put self before what's right, they mislead us for their own gain and it's put us here.
Welsh indy is only a matter of time. It's not even about nationalism, to me anyway. When you live in a country not of your birth and you can see, or believe that country could be much better off then you will go for it/support it. | |
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| Swansea City Fans For Independence on 22:00 - Oct 14 with 1652 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Swansea City Fans For Independence on 06:40 - Oct 14 by peenemunde |
Also if somehow Brexit isn’t delivered, the extreme right will rise like this country has never seen before. |
Both of them ? | |
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| Swansea City Fans For Independence on 23:50 - Oct 14 with 1623 views | Kilkennyjack |
... Tidy like ... | |
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| Swansea City Fans For Independence on 09:41 - Oct 15 with 1592 views | johnlangy |
| Swansea City Fans For Independence on 23:50 - Oct 14 by Kilkennyjack |
... Tidy like ... |
That guy is a complete, incompetent tosspot.
Just my humble opinion. | | | |
| Swansea City Fans For Independence on 21:16 - Oct 15 with 1526 views | JacksawayatWalesgame |
| Swansea City Fans For Independence on 20:07 - Oct 10 by Catullus |
People like you call it the butchers apron. As for the Union flag, it hasn't gone away, it has been there every home game this season, it was there for he Ipswich game, I pass it on the way to my seat.
The stewards tried to remove a it few games back because apparently it was covering up advertising but the stewards gave up when loads of people got on their case. By loads I mean at least half a block, they were chanting "leave our flag alone" and the stewards haven't tried again. |
Although I've traditionally been a bit of a romantic Welsh nationalist, I don't have any major issues with the fact that I'm a British citizen. However I've never been very keen on the Union Jack flag, mainly because England, Scotland and Ireland are all represented on it but Wales isn't. Therefore I don't see it as my flag, sorry. "But he doesn't mind being British !", I hear you cry. Yes I admit I'm full of contradictions. However my point is that I'm quite suspicious of the motives of the person or persons who display that large Union Jack flag at Swans home games. It seems out of place amongst fans of a Welsh football team, and I have a sneaking feeling that they may have some sort of anti-Welsh agenda. I would be delighted if I was wrong. | | | |
| Swansea City Fans For Independence on 21:16 - Oct 15 with 1526 views | Catullus |
| Swansea City Fans For Independence on 09:41 - Oct 15 by johnlangy |
That guy is a complete, incompetent tosspot.
Just my humble opinion. |
Grayling is yet another career politician who keeps making messes and keeps getting given new jobs. It's bl00dy rife in the public sector, make a cock up, waste millions, if not billions and get moved sideways. That or get to retire early with a larger than deserved pay off. | |
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| Swansea City Fans For Independence on 21:21 - Oct 15 with 1520 views | trampie |
| Swansea City Fans For Independence on 21:16 - Oct 15 by JacksawayatWalesgame |
Although I've traditionally been a bit of a romantic Welsh nationalist, I don't have any major issues with the fact that I'm a British citizen. However I've never been very keen on the Union Jack flag, mainly because England, Scotland and Ireland are all represented on it but Wales isn't. Therefore I don't see it as my flag, sorry. "But he doesn't mind being British !", I hear you cry. Yes I admit I'm full of contradictions. However my point is that I'm quite suspicious of the motives of the person or persons who display that large Union Jack flag at Swans home games. It seems out of place amongst fans of a Welsh football team, and I have a sneaking feeling that they may have some sort of anti-Welsh agenda. I would be delighted if I was wrong. |
I totally agree on all counts. | |
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