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Trump you idiot 13:43 - Dec 25 with 3630 viewscentrestandswan

Hope your pensions are in good hands as this tw.at could ruin every ones investments and savings, a new recession? F..ucking hope not.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/markets/japan-stocks-plunge-other-asia-markets-f

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Trump you idiot on 14:16 - Dec 25 with 2468 viewsA_Fans_Dad

Why are you blaming President Trump for what the Federal Reserve has done?
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Trump you idiot on 14:34 - Dec 25 with 2447 viewsWarwickHunt

Trump you idiot on 14:16 - Dec 25 by A_Fans_Dad

Why are you blaming President Trump for what the Federal Reserve has done?


It’s Xmas day - at least have one day off from being a fûcking idiot.
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Trump you idiot on 14:36 - Dec 25 with 2443 viewsHumpty

Trump you idiot on 14:16 - Dec 25 by A_Fans_Dad

Why are you blaming President Trump for what the Federal Reserve has done?


What have they done? Raised interest rates?
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Trump you idiot on 15:34 - Dec 25 with 2392 viewsShaky

Christmas message from the strong and stable genius statesman:


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Trump you idiot on 15:41 - Dec 25 with 2383 viewscentrestandswan

Trump you idiot on 14:34 - Dec 25 by WarwickHunt

It’s Xmas day - at least have one day off from being a fûcking idiot.


And this is why people are deserting this site , discuss your point no have to resort to insults, says a lot. It is a good job your taste in music is OK but that is another story.

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Trump you idiot on 15:49 - Dec 25 with 2372 viewsA_Fans_Dad

Trump you idiot on 14:36 - Dec 25 by Humpty

What have they done? Raised interest rates?


Let me lay it out for you.
Under Obama interest rates were kept at 0.25% for 7 years until December 2015 when it was raised to 0.5%.
Since Trump won the election
0.75% on December 14, 2016
1.0% on March 5, 2017.
1.25% on June 14, 2017.
1.5% on Dec. 13, 2017.
1.75% on March 21, 2018.
2.0% on June 13, 2018.
2.25% on September 26, 2018.
And has now announced that it will raise the rate to 3.0% the largest rise so far.
It has already wiped $4Trillion off of the markets.
How did you expect the US & World markets to react to the new announcement?
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Trump you idiot on 16:02 - Dec 25 with 2365 viewsShaky

Trump you idiot on 15:49 - Dec 25 by A_Fans_Dad

Let me lay it out for you.
Under Obama interest rates were kept at 0.25% for 7 years until December 2015 when it was raised to 0.5%.
Since Trump won the election
0.75% on December 14, 2016
1.0% on March 5, 2017.
1.25% on June 14, 2017.
1.5% on Dec. 13, 2017.
1.75% on March 21, 2018.
2.0% on June 13, 2018.
2.25% on September 26, 2018.
And has now announced that it will raise the rate to 3.0% the largest rise so far.
It has already wiped $4Trillion off of the markets.
How did you expect the US & World markets to react to the new announcement?


Let me lay it out for you.

The Chairman of the US Federal Reserve is nominated by the president and confirmed by the Senate, but is otherwise independent in setting monetary policy including key interest rates.

The current chairman Jerome Powelll was nominated by Trump.

But it turns out Trump didn't like the Fed's policy and thought he could just fire the guy, but they sit for fixed terms. That didn't stop a flood of stories about his bumbling efforts leaking out from the well-oiled machine that is the white House.

Then last week before the Fed announced a well-signalled further rate hike, Trump started haranguing the Fed on Twitter trying to put pressure on them not to raise in the middle of one of his general Twitter meltdowns.

Completely improper and totally moronic, because the Fed must always be seen to be independent of political pressure.

Then the stock market really started tanking. Because Trump has removed any doubt of what a fcuking degenerate moron he is.

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Trump you idiot on 16:11 - Dec 25 with 2354 viewsA_Fans_Dad

Trump you idiot on 16:02 - Dec 25 by Shaky

Let me lay it out for you.

The Chairman of the US Federal Reserve is nominated by the president and confirmed by the Senate, but is otherwise independent in setting monetary policy including key interest rates.

The current chairman Jerome Powelll was nominated by Trump.

But it turns out Trump didn't like the Fed's policy and thought he could just fire the guy, but they sit for fixed terms. That didn't stop a flood of stories about his bumbling efforts leaking out from the well-oiled machine that is the white House.

Then last week before the Fed announced a well-signalled further rate hike, Trump started haranguing the Fed on Twitter trying to put pressure on them not to raise in the middle of one of his general Twitter meltdowns.

Completely improper and totally moronic, because the Fed must always be seen to be independent of political pressure.

Then the stock market really started tanking. Because Trump has removed any doubt of what a fcuking degenerate moron he is.


Classic, blame Trump for what the Fed has done, just like the OP.
How well do you think Bank rate rises of 2.5% in 2 years would go down in the UK if Carney of the BoE did it?
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Trump you idiot on 16:13 - Dec 25 with 2354 viewsShaky

. . .Oh and he then followed it up with this peach, in effect claiming the Fed has no idea what they are doing. And if you think that is good for markets, you're as stupid as he is.


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Trump you idiot on 16:23 - Dec 25 with 2340 viewsShaky

Trump you idiot on 16:11 - Dec 25 by A_Fans_Dad

Classic, blame Trump for what the Fed has done, just like the OP.
How well do you think Bank rate rises of 2.5% in 2 years would go down in the UK if Carney of the BoE did it?


Sorry to be blunt, but the simple fact is that you don't have the first clue about anything related to Central Banking policy stances and the setting of interest rates specifically.

But if you want a clue, look at a chart of the yield on the 10-year fixed duration US Treasury bond (the symbol is often TNX).

The reveals the startling truth that the Fed is merely responding to market forces. The markets are driving interest rates higher. As always. And the Fed is responding, as always.

Now it is 'behind the curve' as the saying goes, and it needs to get out in front. However, as I have argued elsewhere the long term interest rate cycle has almost certainly turned - at least in the US - and the next high in rates is unlikely to arrive before we see a 3 handle on the decade.

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Trump you idiot on 16:24 - Dec 25 with 2339 viewsA_Fans_Dad

Trump you idiot on 16:13 - Dec 25 by Shaky

. . .Oh and he then followed it up with this peach, in effect claiming the Fed has no idea what they are doing. And if you think that is good for markets, you're as stupid as he is.



Except of course what he says is true, the Fed has tanked a very promising Economy and Market.
Like I said how would the UK feel if the BoE did it?
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Trump you idiot on 16:40 - Dec 25 with 2313 viewsHumpty

Trump you idiot on 15:49 - Dec 25 by A_Fans_Dad

Let me lay it out for you.
Under Obama interest rates were kept at 0.25% for 7 years until December 2015 when it was raised to 0.5%.
Since Trump won the election
0.75% on December 14, 2016
1.0% on March 5, 2017.
1.25% on June 14, 2017.
1.5% on Dec. 13, 2017.
1.75% on March 21, 2018.
2.0% on June 13, 2018.
2.25% on September 26, 2018.
And has now announced that it will raise the rate to 3.0% the largest rise so far.
It has already wiped $4Trillion off of the markets.
How did you expect the US & World markets to react to the new announcement?


I'm not going to pretend I know much about economics or banking because I don't, but I know something.

When he was campaigning he was demanding the Fed raise interest rates, claiming they were keeping them artificially low to make Obama look good as they were not independent.

When he became President he sacked Janet Yellen and put his own man in charge. Now he's screaming like a toddler because they are now doing what he previously demanded they should do.

I think the Federal Reserve have a slightly better idea of what they are doing than you, me and most of all, Donald f*cking Trump.
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Trump you idiot on 16:47 - Dec 25 with 2299 viewsA_Fans_Dad

Trump you idiot on 16:40 - Dec 25 by Humpty

I'm not going to pretend I know much about economics or banking because I don't, but I know something.

When he was campaigning he was demanding the Fed raise interest rates, claiming they were keeping them artificially low to make Obama look good as they were not independent.

When he became President he sacked Janet Yellen and put his own man in charge. Now he's screaming like a toddler because they are now doing what he previously demanded they should do.

I think the Federal Reserve have a slightly better idea of what they are doing than you, me and most of all, Donald f*cking Trump.


Why don't you answer the question, how would the UK react to 2.5% interest rate rise in 2 years?
And how would you personally feel about it when £trillions are wiped off the FTSE?

However Trump was an absolute idiot to assume that anyone in the Fed would actually put the USA and it's economy before trying to destroy Trump.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/06/09/maher_im_hoping_for_a_crashin
[Post edited 25 Dec 2018 16:53]
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Trump you idiot on 16:54 - Dec 25 with 2288 viewsHumpty

Trump you idiot on 16:47 - Dec 25 by A_Fans_Dad

Why don't you answer the question, how would the UK react to 2.5% interest rate rise in 2 years?
And how would you personally feel about it when £trillions are wiped off the FTSE?

However Trump was an absolute idiot to assume that anyone in the Fed would actually put the USA and it's economy before trying to destroy Trump.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/06/09/maher_im_hoping_for_a_crashin
[Post edited 25 Dec 2018 16:53]


F*cking hell!

Bill Maher is a comedian, not the head of the Federal Reserve.
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Trump you idiot on 16:57 - Dec 25 with 2282 viewsA_Fans_Dad

Trump you idiot on 16:54 - Dec 25 by Humpty

F*cking hell!

Bill Maher is a comedian, not the head of the Federal Reserve.


Yes who reflects how Democrats feel, along with all the Celebrity snow flakes.
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Trump you idiot on 16:57 - Dec 25 with 2282 viewsShaky

Trump you idiot on 16:47 - Dec 25 by A_Fans_Dad

Why don't you answer the question, how would the UK react to 2.5% interest rate rise in 2 years?
And how would you personally feel about it when £trillions are wiped off the FTSE?

However Trump was an absolute idiot to assume that anyone in the Fed would actually put the USA and it's economy before trying to destroy Trump.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/06/09/maher_im_hoping_for_a_crashin
[Post edited 25 Dec 2018 16:53]


The stock market is funny money, mate, it comes and goes.

The bond market in contrast is real, very serious and requires constant debt service in the form of interest.

Currently there is approximately $20 trillion of US public debt around. I can;t be arsed to fire up my financial market charting stuff today, but from the time Trump was elected to the highs at the end of Q3 the 10-year bond yield rose around a percentage point.

That's roughly $200 billion annually in real cash the Trump administration has cost America. And rising. The piper must be paid.

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Trump you idiot on 17:02 - Dec 25 with 2270 viewsHumpty

Trump you idiot on 16:57 - Dec 25 by A_Fans_Dad

Yes who reflects how Democrats feel, along with all the Celebrity snow flakes.


And Jerome Powell, the Chair of the Federal Reserve, is a Republican who worked under George Bush senior and was promoted to his current role by Donald Trump.

Bloody hell man. Do you honestly believe the utter rubbish you spout?
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Trump you idiot on 17:04 - Dec 25 with 2268 viewsWarwickHunt

Trump you idiot on 15:41 - Dec 25 by centrestandswan

And this is why people are deserting this site , discuss your point no have to resort to insults, says a lot. It is a good job your taste in music is OK but that is another story.


Not my job to try to educate pork- I see Shakes is having a go, in vain it would appear.

For the hard of thinking, here’s a link to that well-known bastion of lefty fake news

https://news.sky.com/story/us-stocks-plunge-as-donald-trump-likens-federal-reser

TRUMP. SPARKS. US. MARKET. FALL.

This has been a public service post for the benefit of the terminally fûcking dim.
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Trump you idiot on 17:16 - Dec 25 with 2244 viewsHCMC

The Dow is still up 10% since Trumps Inauguration Day.

Remarkable given the Feds actions.

They are going down Carneys route and bringing personal politics in to their policy making.
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Trump you idiot on 17:32 - Dec 25 with 2208 viewsphact0rri

To be fair the alarm bells for a downturn at the end of 2019 was already forcasted several weeks ago. Trump is probably just getting in his excuses for that news.

I mean nothing is ever his fault, and everything is always running perfectly in the USA.

Edited for link:
http://fortune.com/2018/11/21/us-economy-slow-2019-recession-2020-economist-fore
[Post edited 25 Dec 2018 17:33]

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Trump you idiot on 17:39 - Dec 25 with 2186 viewsShaky

Trump you idiot on 17:32 - Dec 25 by phact0rri

To be fair the alarm bells for a downturn at the end of 2019 was already forcasted several weeks ago. Trump is probably just getting in his excuses for that news.

I mean nothing is ever his fault, and everything is always running perfectly in the USA.

Edited for link:
http://fortune.com/2018/11/21/us-economy-slow-2019-recession-2020-economist-fore
[Post edited 25 Dec 2018 17:33]


Think you will find the market downturn was in fact forecast already in June. By me.

Calm Before The Storm? by Shaky 22 Jun 2018 10:48
Markets might look calm, but they are behaving abnormally
The pessimistic view is years of loose monetary policy have made investors complacent
By Gillian Tett

FT, 21 June 2018

Do markets look a little weird right now? That is a question many investors might be asking. In recent weeks geopolitical tensions have intensified, and the monetary policy cycle is turning in both the US and Europe.

Equity markets quivered on Monday, which was the day after China said it would retaliate against new US tariffs by imposing tariffs of its own, but the jitters were modest. Indeed, the MSCI world equity index is up 10 per cent up for the past 12 months – never mind that pesky trade war.

This is odd. But what is more striking – and alarming – is that equity valuations are far from the only bizarre feature of today’s markets. If you peer into the weeds of global finance, you will see peculiarities sprouting all over the place.

Consider credit. These days, pundits often wail about the rising risks attached to corporate debt. A survey from Bank of America Merrill Lynch shows that 42 per cent of asset managers now think that developed world companies have borrowed too much money– beating a previous 2008 peak of 32 per cent.

No surprise there, perhaps: corporate borrowing has indeed soared, amid numerous leveraged buyouts and mergers, and almost half of all US corporate bonds issued this year carry a risky rating of triple B-plus, triple B or triple B-minus. What is startling is that investors are not running scared. Instead, demand for risky debt is so high that the spread between safe and hazardous corporate debt (bonds rated triple A and triple B respectively) is a wafer-thin 50 basis points. In 2012 it was 200bp.

The second puzzle is the so-called dollar “term premium”– the US Federal Reserve’s calculation of the extra compensation investors require to convince them to tie up their money in longer term bonds rather than rolling over a series of short-term ones. Normally this would be positive in this stage of the business cycle. The Fed is raising rates, inflation is edging up and the US government will sell lots more debt in the coming years, due to tax cuts and rising budget deficits. But the US term premium has been zero in recent months. More peculiar still, JPMorgan calculated that the global yield curve has recently inverted for the first time since 2007.

A third oddity is the lack of correlation between currencies and interest rates differentials. Derivative prices currently suggest that investors expect to see a widening gap between US, European and Japanese interest rates. Citigroup calculates that the spread between projected overnight rates for dollars and euros is 250 basis points, up from 25 basis points in 2016 and 100 basis points last year.

In past economic cycles this gap has led to a stronger dollar. That has recently appeared – a bit. On a trade weighted basis, the dollar is 5 per cent stronger than in February, but it is also 4 per cent lower than it was at the start of the year. The correlations seem to have broken down, as Catherine Mann, Citi’s chief economist, points out.

The list goes on – and on. Ms Mann thinks it is odd that house prices keep surging in countries such as Denmark, the Netherlands and Canada, even as the monetary policy cycle turns; and that investors keep rushing into US equity markets, even though valuations should favour non-US assets. Then there is the fact that gold prices have fallen 5 per cent in the past two months – even though geopolitical turmoil normally boosts the price of gold. And the Vix index (which reflects expected US equity market volatility) has recently fallen below 15, after rising above 30 earlier this year. That looks completely counter-intuitive given the geopolitical risk – and the fact that some investors holding Vix derivatives suffered big losses a mere four months ago, when this index gyrated.

So what explains these odd features? One optimistic explanation might be that investors are so wildly confident about global growth that they presume companies will tackle their debt and produce earnings that justify the share prices. Under this theory consumers would continue paying down their mortgages, as inflation remained low (perhaps because digital disruption will suppress labour costs). But there is another pessimistic explanation: years of ultra-loose monetary policy have made investors so complacent that they are mis-pricing risk.

I fervently hope the first explanation is true. But I fear the second is a more likely bet. Either way, the key point is this: don’t assume that markets look “normal” today even if they are (mostly) calm, especially not in a geopolitical world that looks anything but peaceful, let alone normal.



But what do i know?

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Trump you idiot on 17:40 - Dec 25 with 2179 viewsHumpty

Trump you idiot on 17:32 - Dec 25 by phact0rri

To be fair the alarm bells for a downturn at the end of 2019 was already forcasted several weeks ago. Trump is probably just getting in his excuses for that news.

I mean nothing is ever his fault, and everything is always running perfectly in the USA.

Edited for link:
http://fortune.com/2018/11/21/us-economy-slow-2019-recession-2020-economist-fore
[Post edited 25 Dec 2018 17:33]


Fake news. MSM. Deep state etc.
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Trump you idiot on 19:08 - Dec 25 with 2104 viewsA_Fans_Dad

Trump you idiot on 17:02 - Dec 25 by Humpty

And Jerome Powell, the Chair of the Federal Reserve, is a Republican who worked under George Bush senior and was promoted to his current role by Donald Trump.

Bloody hell man. Do you honestly believe the utter rubbish you spout?


You actually think that the Republicans are supporting Trump, for god's sake get real.
They have obstructed him at every turn, or have you never heard of RINOs?
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Trump you idiot on 19:42 - Dec 25 with 2076 viewsLeonWasGod

Trump you idiot on 17:39 - Dec 25 by Shaky

Think you will find the market downturn was in fact forecast already in June. By me.

Calm Before The Storm? by Shaky 22 Jun 2018 10:48
Markets might look calm, but they are behaving abnormally
The pessimistic view is years of loose monetary policy have made investors complacent
By Gillian Tett

FT, 21 June 2018

Do markets look a little weird right now? That is a question many investors might be asking. In recent weeks geopolitical tensions have intensified, and the monetary policy cycle is turning in both the US and Europe.

Equity markets quivered on Monday, which was the day after China said it would retaliate against new US tariffs by imposing tariffs of its own, but the jitters were modest. Indeed, the MSCI world equity index is up 10 per cent up for the past 12 months – never mind that pesky trade war.

This is odd. But what is more striking – and alarming – is that equity valuations are far from the only bizarre feature of today’s markets. If you peer into the weeds of global finance, you will see peculiarities sprouting all over the place.

Consider credit. These days, pundits often wail about the rising risks attached to corporate debt. A survey from Bank of America Merrill Lynch shows that 42 per cent of asset managers now think that developed world companies have borrowed too much money– beating a previous 2008 peak of 32 per cent.

No surprise there, perhaps: corporate borrowing has indeed soared, amid numerous leveraged buyouts and mergers, and almost half of all US corporate bonds issued this year carry a risky rating of triple B-plus, triple B or triple B-minus. What is startling is that investors are not running scared. Instead, demand for risky debt is so high that the spread between safe and hazardous corporate debt (bonds rated triple A and triple B respectively) is a wafer-thin 50 basis points. In 2012 it was 200bp.

The second puzzle is the so-called dollar “term premium”– the US Federal Reserve’s calculation of the extra compensation investors require to convince them to tie up their money in longer term bonds rather than rolling over a series of short-term ones. Normally this would be positive in this stage of the business cycle. The Fed is raising rates, inflation is edging up and the US government will sell lots more debt in the coming years, due to tax cuts and rising budget deficits. But the US term premium has been zero in recent months. More peculiar still, JPMorgan calculated that the global yield curve has recently inverted for the first time since 2007.

A third oddity is the lack of correlation between currencies and interest rates differentials. Derivative prices currently suggest that investors expect to see a widening gap between US, European and Japanese interest rates. Citigroup calculates that the spread between projected overnight rates for dollars and euros is 250 basis points, up from 25 basis points in 2016 and 100 basis points last year.

In past economic cycles this gap has led to a stronger dollar. That has recently appeared – a bit. On a trade weighted basis, the dollar is 5 per cent stronger than in February, but it is also 4 per cent lower than it was at the start of the year. The correlations seem to have broken down, as Catherine Mann, Citi’s chief economist, points out.

The list goes on – and on. Ms Mann thinks it is odd that house prices keep surging in countries such as Denmark, the Netherlands and Canada, even as the monetary policy cycle turns; and that investors keep rushing into US equity markets, even though valuations should favour non-US assets. Then there is the fact that gold prices have fallen 5 per cent in the past two months – even though geopolitical turmoil normally boosts the price of gold. And the Vix index (which reflects expected US equity market volatility) has recently fallen below 15, after rising above 30 earlier this year. That looks completely counter-intuitive given the geopolitical risk – and the fact that some investors holding Vix derivatives suffered big losses a mere four months ago, when this index gyrated.

So what explains these odd features? One optimistic explanation might be that investors are so wildly confident about global growth that they presume companies will tackle their debt and produce earnings that justify the share prices. Under this theory consumers would continue paying down their mortgages, as inflation remained low (perhaps because digital disruption will suppress labour costs). But there is another pessimistic explanation: years of ultra-loose monetary policy have made investors so complacent that they are mis-pricing risk.

I fervently hope the first explanation is true. But I fear the second is a more likely bet. Either way, the key point is this: don’t assume that markets look “normal” today even if they are (mostly) calm, especially not in a geopolitical world that looks anything but peaceful, let alone normal.



But what do i know?


Strictly speaking, that’s you copying and pasting someone else’s forecast back in June
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Trump you idiot on 19:47 - Dec 25 with 2071 viewssainthelens

Also asked a 7yr old girl on live tv wether she still believes in Santa. Couldn't make it up.
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