| Record Employment in the UK great news 09:58 - Jan 22 with 9326 views | pikeypaul |
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46958560
Well done the Tories and just goes to show there is plenty of work for those who want it.
No doubt we will get the envious work shy lefties along trying to put a negative spin on this great achievement soon. But hey they will never change will they ? |  |
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| Record Employment in the UK great news on 09:26 - Jan 23 with 1378 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Record Employment in the UK great news on 19:21 - Jan 22 by majorraglan |
This is a disgraceful state of affairs, it’s not far off the kind of thing you see in some parts of the world (usually the developing world) where you see people turning out in the morning, standing in a line of similar people trying to secure work for that day.
Shocking. |
I would rather be in the UK than the socialist utopias of Zimbabwe and Venezuela. |  |
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| Record Employment in the UK great news on 09:32 - Jan 23 with 1372 views | westwalesed |
| Record Employment in the UK great news on 16:20 - Jan 22 by WxmJax |
Yep, won't be long either. Tories don't like all those workers rights enjoyed in the EU. |
Which workers rights have the Conservatives repealed since they have been in Government? | |
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| Record Employment in the UK great news on 09:39 - Jan 23 with 1364 views | LeonWasGod |
| Record Employment in the UK great news on 13:18 - Jan 22 by westwalesed |
So is it better to not have a job then? |
In some cases yes. Was speaking to someone just the other day who decided to jack in their job because after childcare costs they'd be taking home about £20 per day for a full-time job. Just not worth doing - better to stay at home, rely on a partner's income and spend time with the kid(s).
I imagine the same issue could arise with people who could only get limited hours on crap wages - maybe they're better off financially on benefits? |  | | |
| Record Employment in the UK great news on 09:49 - Jan 23 with 1355 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Record Employment in the UK great news on 09:39 - Jan 23 by LeonWasGod |
In some cases yes. Was speaking to someone just the other day who decided to jack in their job because after childcare costs they'd be taking home about £20 per day for a full-time job. Just not worth doing - better to stay at home, rely on a partner's income and spend time with the kid(s).
I imagine the same issue could arise with people who could only get limited hours on crap wages - maybe they're better off financially on benefits? |
Probably a good idea to look after your own children than pay someone to do it for you. | |
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| Record Employment in the UK great news on 10:02 - Jan 23 with 1351 views | LeonWasGod |
| Record Employment in the UK great news on 09:49 - Jan 23 by felixstowe_jack |
Probably a good idea to look after your own children than pay someone to do it for you. |
Well yes, I'm sure that was a big part of their decision in that case. Don't disagree. I did the same when my eldest was young - jacked work in for 18 months as I had a sh*tty commute, didn't think it was worth the hassle and we could just about get by on 1 wage, although it was tough.
Kids benefit from being with other kids from an early age too though of course, so it can be swings and roundabouts. | | | |
| Record Employment in the UK great news on 10:05 - Jan 23 with 1350 views | LeonWasGod |
| Record Employment in the UK great news on 09:32 - Jan 23 by westwalesed |
Which workers rights have the Conservatives repealed since they have been in Government? |
They can't because they're protected by EU law. | | | |
| Record Employment in the UK great news on 10:33 - Jan 23 with 1338 views | Batterseajack |
I'm confused, we've been hearing stories that polish builders were undercutting our own and lowering the salaries for everyone. We've also heard how the northern areas are suffering and generally forgotten about by the southern elite which is why they felt they needed to take drastic action to vote us out of the EU and slow down the forces of globalization which was threatening their very existence.
But today i'm hearing, that its never been so good for jobs in this country and builders have never had it so good. Salaries range between 40k and 90k for builders, sparkies and plumbers and the latest advice is that you should pick a tradesman who is available to work the next day. All the decent one have a huge back log of work. All this i may add whilst being and still currently being a member of the EUSSR.
So which is it? | | | |
| Record Employment in the UK great news on 10:53 - Jan 23 with 1330 views | Wingstandwood |
| Record Employment in the UK great news on 10:33 - Jan 23 by Batterseajack |
I'm confused, we've been hearing stories that polish builders were undercutting our own and lowering the salaries for everyone. We've also heard how the northern areas are suffering and generally forgotten about by the southern elite which is why they felt they needed to take drastic action to vote us out of the EU and slow down the forces of globalization which was threatening their very existence.
But today i'm hearing, that its never been so good for jobs in this country and builders have never had it so good. Salaries range between 40k and 90k for builders, sparkies and plumbers and the latest advice is that you should pick a tradesman who is available to work the next day. All the decent one have a huge back log of work. All this i may add whilst being and still currently being a member of the EUSSR.
So which is it? |
You must be confused not having heard about stuff like the "pay the rate" protest in Port Talbot by a rather left wing union because its skilled membership (denied employment) had to compete with minimum wage contractors from Eastern Europe?
And I guess living in Battersea? You were unable to commute to the Bovis Land Lease and Simons Construction developments (on same site) in Fforestfach where many skilled U.K jobs were stolen by minimum wage cheap labour East European Migrants?
And I guess you have not visited (Swansea) Jobcentre Plus recently for advertised Swansea construction industry jobs which are made up almost entirely of agency jobs! Can you please direct the people of Swansea (not Battersea) to this most magnificent mountain of relentless opportunity and money....... Up to £90,000 a year in Swansea? Wow! Links please! [Post edited 23 Jan 2019 10:55]
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| Record Employment in the UK great news on 11:23 - Jan 23 with 1312 views | Highjack |
| Record Employment in the UK great news on 10:53 - Jan 23 by Wingstandwood |
You must be confused not having heard about stuff like the "pay the rate" protest in Port Talbot by a rather left wing union because its skilled membership (denied employment) had to compete with minimum wage contractors from Eastern Europe?
And I guess living in Battersea? You were unable to commute to the Bovis Land Lease and Simons Construction developments (on same site) in Fforestfach where many skilled U.K jobs were stolen by minimum wage cheap labour East European Migrants?
And I guess you have not visited (Swansea) Jobcentre Plus recently for advertised Swansea construction industry jobs which are made up almost entirely of agency jobs! Can you please direct the people of Swansea (not Battersea) to this most magnificent mountain of relentless opportunity and money....... Up to £90,000 a year in Swansea? Wow! Links please! [Post edited 23 Jan 2019 10:55]
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Don’t bother, these Londoners are living in a bubble. Everything outside the M25 is irrelevant to them. |  |
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| Record Employment in the UK great news on 11:37 - Jan 23 with 1306 views | Wingstandwood |
| Record Employment in the UK great news on 11:23 - Jan 23 by Highjack |
Don’t bother, these Londoners are living in a bubble. Everything outside the M25 is irrelevant to them. |
I wonder if he was just being sarcastic and really against mistreatment and exploitation of indigenous Welsh/U.K construction industry workers or is he one of "Metropolitan Elite"?
Now if he is one of 'Metropolitan Elite'?
I do wonder if he is a non agency employed public sector paid sociology professor that attends (pronounced hice spotties) house parties in Islington. Apparently Guardian mentioned that people like that are utterly oblivious to why BREXIT became a working class revolt? | |
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| Record Employment in the UK great news on 11:38 - Jan 23 with 1305 views | Batterseajack |
| Record Employment in the UK great news on 10:53 - Jan 23 by Wingstandwood |
You must be confused not having heard about stuff like the "pay the rate" protest in Port Talbot by a rather left wing union because its skilled membership (denied employment) had to compete with minimum wage contractors from Eastern Europe?
And I guess living in Battersea? You were unable to commute to the Bovis Land Lease and Simons Construction developments (on same site) in Fforestfach where many skilled U.K jobs were stolen by minimum wage cheap labour East European Migrants?
And I guess you have not visited (Swansea) Jobcentre Plus recently for advertised Swansea construction industry jobs which are made up almost entirely of agency jobs! Can you please direct the people of Swansea (not Battersea) to this most magnificent mountain of relentless opportunity and money....... Up to £90,000 a year in Swansea? Wow! Links please! [Post edited 23 Jan 2019 10:55]
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I'm under no illusion that things are any where near as rosy all round as Pikey is making out. But i am confused by the news output from right wing press which appears to pump out conflicting news tailored to suit whatever Brexit argument they're tackling at the time.
And no i don't live in Battersea. I did once for about a year about 12 years ago.
You won't find that salary in a job center. That salary is commanded by people who are their own bosses and have a couple of employees. But trades people are charging a day rate of up to £200 and more, and that's well in excess of 40K a year. | | | |
| Record Employment in the UK great news on 11:55 - Jan 23 with 1299 views | Wingstandwood |
| Record Employment in the UK great news on 11:38 - Jan 23 by Batterseajack |
I'm under no illusion that things are any where near as rosy all round as Pikey is making out. But i am confused by the news output from right wing press which appears to pump out conflicting news tailored to suit whatever Brexit argument they're tackling at the time.
And no i don't live in Battersea. I did once for about a year about 12 years ago.
You won't find that salary in a job center. That salary is commanded by people who are their own bosses and have a couple of employees. But trades people are charging a day rate of up to £200 and more, and that's well in excess of 40K a year. |
Many of non self employed people in Swansea are now waiting with bated breath and eager anticipation for links offering employment earning £200 a day or more! Please I implore you to provide the portal of most rewarding opportunity. Please can you also contact UNITE that took part in the Margam Green Energy Plant "Pay the rate protest" so that its members can have opportunity also!
http://www.gmbwalesandsouthwest.org.uk/news/protest-at-margam-green-energy-park
BTW it won't be this lot
http://www.cestaffing.co.uk/
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| Record Employment in the UK great news on 12:35 - Jan 23 with 1270 views | Batterseajack |
As i said, i don't think the employment prospects for people in this country are anywhere near as rosy as Pikey is making out.
But what i was alluring to in my original post was that we have brexit backing rags claiming that wages are being driven down.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3369760/Migration-DOES-depress-wages-lo
...and now the same rag is reporting that the federation of master builders saying there's a national shortage of builders.
"Research by the federation puts the average annual salary of a trained bricklayer at just over £42,000.
However it says those in areas of high demand can earn around £90,000 a year. The UK average for a plumber is £48,675 and £47,265 for an electrician.
Mr Berry said: ‘We need to be training more UK-born apprentices to reduce future reliance on migrant workers from Europe, or else the construction sector will grind to a halt.’
The Construction Industry Training Board estimates the UK needs an extra 35,000 builders and tradesmen each year between now and 2020.
The National Federation of Builders warned new immigration proposals — restricting people who earn less than £30,000 a year from coming to the UK — will block foreign tradesmen."
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6613599/Why-never-trust-builder-start-w | | | |
| Record Employment in the UK great news on 12:44 - Jan 23 with 1263 views | Batterseajack |
| Record Employment in the UK great news on 11:37 - Jan 23 by Wingstandwood |
I wonder if he was just being sarcastic and really against mistreatment and exploitation of indigenous Welsh/U.K construction industry workers or is he one of "Metropolitan Elite"?
Now if he is one of 'Metropolitan Elite'?
I do wonder if he is a non agency employed public sector paid sociology professor that attends (pronounced hice spotties) house parties in Islington. Apparently Guardian mentioned that people like that are utterly oblivious to why BREXIT became a working class revolt? |
Metropolitan Elite  I'm from West cross you header | | | |
| Record Employment in the UK great news on 12:52 - Jan 23 with 1259 views | Wingstandwood |
| Record Employment in the UK great news on 12:44 - Jan 23 by Batterseajack |
Metropolitan Elite I'm from West cross you header |
https://www.gov.uk/jobsearch
Go on! Do a all Wales search search for a full time Bricklayer (provided on webpage) and post the results for £40,000 - £90,000 a year.
Do one for every trade you can think of and others on here can do so also if they are inquisitive also. We shall see which one of us are living on Planet Earth and which one is living in Cloud Cuckoo Land.
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| Record Employment in the UK great news on 12:58 - Jan 23 with 1254 views | WarwickHunt |
| Record Employment in the UK great news on 11:23 - Jan 23 by Highjack |
Don’t bother, these Londoners are living in a bubble. Everything outside the M25 is irrelevant to them. |
That’s not true. I frequently enjoy a nice lunch in the Surrey Hills. |  | | |
| Record Employment in the UK great news on 13:25 - Jan 23 with 1243 views | JackSomething |
| Record Employment in the UK great news on 12:52 - Jan 23 by Wingstandwood |
https://www.gov.uk/jobsearch
Go on! Do a all Wales search search for a full time Bricklayer (provided on webpage) and post the results for £40,000 - £90,000 a year.
Do one for every trade you can think of and others on here can do so also if they are inquisitive also. We shall see which one of us are living on Planet Earth and which one is living in Cloud Cuckoo Land.
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He's quoting a Daily Mail article you daft header! A newspaper which shares your opinion on the EU, so I'm sure you'll not be questioning their articles. |  |
| You know, Hobbes, some days even my lucky rocket ship underpants don't help. |
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| Record Employment in the UK great news on 13:32 - Jan 23 with 1240 views | Batterseajack |
| Record Employment in the UK great news on 12:52 - Jan 23 by Wingstandwood |
https://www.gov.uk/jobsearch
Go on! Do a all Wales search search for a full time Bricklayer (provided on webpage) and post the results for £40,000 - £90,000 a year.
Do one for every trade you can think of and others on here can do so also if they are inquisitive also. We shall see which one of us are living on Planet Earth and which one is living in Cloud Cuckoo Land.
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So Mr Planet Earth, if i wanted to extend my house, replace my heating system, or have my house rewired, do i advertise my work on that website? | | | |
| Record Employment in the UK great news on 13:35 - Jan 23 with 1236 views | Batterseajack |
| Record Employment in the UK great news on 12:58 - Jan 23 by WarwickHunt |
That’s not true. I frequently enjoy a nice lunch in the Surrey Hills. |
I was down in Shere the other week, lovely place. | | | |
| Record Employment in the UK great news on 13:54 - Jan 23 with 1228 views | Batterseajack |
| Record Employment in the UK great news on 12:35 - Jan 23 by Batterseajack |
As i said, i don't think the employment prospects for people in this country are anywhere near as rosy as Pikey is making out.
But what i was alluring to in my original post was that we have brexit backing rags claiming that wages are being driven down.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3369760/Migration-DOES-depress-wages-lo
...and now the same rag is reporting that the federation of master builders saying there's a national shortage of builders.
"Research by the federation puts the average annual salary of a trained bricklayer at just over £42,000.
However it says those in areas of high demand can earn around £90,000 a year. The UK average for a plumber is £48,675 and £47,265 for an electrician.
Mr Berry said: ‘We need to be training more UK-born apprentices to reduce future reliance on migrant workers from Europe, or else the construction sector will grind to a halt.’
The Construction Industry Training Board estimates the UK needs an extra 35,000 builders and tradesmen each year between now and 2020.
The National Federation of Builders warned new immigration proposals — restricting people who earn less than £30,000 a year from coming to the UK — will block foreign tradesmen."
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6613599/Why-never-trust-builder-start-w |
...or maybe its Swansea that is unique in the UK in having its wages driven down by cheap European labour flooding its market. | | | |
| Record Employment in the UK great news on 13:55 - Jan 23 with 1226 views | Wingstandwood |
| Record Employment in the UK great news on 13:32 - Jan 23 by Batterseajack |
So Mr Planet Earth, if i wanted to extend my house, replace my heating system, or have my house rewired, do i advertise my work on that website? |
I think you'll find my points were specifically made about the following: Planet Earth subcontractors whom are through necessity forced to take on self employed status (Card carrying) and sadly have to administer their own taxes/NI..... Self employed but without owning any business whatsoever e.g. not advertised in the Yellow Pages and can end up with equal or even worse conditions/pay to ordinary workers.
I also include agency workers, zero hour contracted, temporary and other non business owning employees. The tradesperson required there with yourself have extensive overheads that eat into wages i.e white vans, skips, plant tool hire, employees, office staff, advertising costs, accountants fees, material-equipment purchase overheads. I suggest you phone Yellow Pages!
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| Record Employment in the UK great news on 14:11 - Jan 23 with 1208 views | Batterseajack |
| Record Employment in the UK great news on 13:55 - Jan 23 by Wingstandwood |
I think you'll find my points were specifically made about the following: Planet Earth subcontractors whom are through necessity forced to take on self employed status (Card carrying) and sadly have to administer their own taxes/NI..... Self employed but without owning any business whatsoever e.g. not advertised in the Yellow Pages and can end up with equal or even worse conditions/pay to ordinary workers.
I also include agency workers, zero hour contracted, temporary and other non business owning employees. The tradesperson required there with yourself have extensive overheads that eat into wages i.e white vans, skips, plant tool hire, employees, office staff, advertising costs, accountants fees, material-equipment purchase overheads. I suggest you phone Yellow Pages!
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I refer you to the Daily Mail article on the comments made by the federation of master builders that i kindly provided above. The subject of the article is not solely based on the metropolitan bubble in London. | | | |
| Record Employment in the UK great news on 14:26 - Jan 23 with 1200 views | Jango |
| Record Employment in the UK great news on 12:35 - Jan 23 by Batterseajack |
As i said, i don't think the employment prospects for people in this country are anywhere near as rosy as Pikey is making out.
But what i was alluring to in my original post was that we have brexit backing rags claiming that wages are being driven down.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3369760/Migration-DOES-depress-wages-lo
...and now the same rag is reporting that the federation of master builders saying there's a national shortage of builders.
"Research by the federation puts the average annual salary of a trained bricklayer at just over £42,000.
However it says those in areas of high demand can earn around £90,000 a year. The UK average for a plumber is £48,675 and £47,265 for an electrician.
Mr Berry said: ‘We need to be training more UK-born apprentices to reduce future reliance on migrant workers from Europe, or else the construction sector will grind to a halt.’
The Construction Industry Training Board estimates the UK needs an extra 35,000 builders and tradesmen each year between now and 2020.
The National Federation of Builders warned new immigration proposals — restricting people who earn less than £30,000 a year from coming to the UK — will block foreign tradesmen."
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6613599/Why-never-trust-builder-start-w |
So if the average is £42,000 and in some areas people earn £90,000 that means in some areas brickies are earning peanuts. Your stats also fail to mention hours worked, working away from home or not, employed or self employed etc. £42,000 for someone working 7 12s 300 miles from home is an awful wage. Foreign tradesman shouldn’t be coming anywhere near our jobs unless it’s absolutely necessary, and in the most part it’s not. | | | |
| Record Employment in the UK great news on 14:38 - Jan 23 with 1182 views | oh_tommy_tommy |
| Record Employment in the UK great news on 10:53 - Jan 23 by Wingstandwood |
You must be confused not having heard about stuff like the "pay the rate" protest in Port Talbot by a rather left wing union because its skilled membership (denied employment) had to compete with minimum wage contractors from Eastern Europe?
And I guess living in Battersea? You were unable to commute to the Bovis Land Lease and Simons Construction developments (on same site) in Fforestfach where many skilled U.K jobs were stolen by minimum wage cheap labour East European Migrants?
And I guess you have not visited (Swansea) Jobcentre Plus recently for advertised Swansea construction industry jobs which are made up almost entirely of agency jobs! Can you please direct the people of Swansea (not Battersea) to this most magnificent mountain of relentless opportunity and money....... Up to £90,000 a year in Swansea? Wow! Links please! [Post edited 23 Jan 2019 10:55]
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Bravo Sir
These fackers living out of Swansea are not seeing the whole story |  |
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| Record Employment in the UK great news on 14:41 - Jan 23 with 1175 views | Batterseajack |
| Record Employment in the UK great news on 14:26 - Jan 23 by Jango |
So if the average is £42,000 and in some areas people earn £90,000 that means in some areas brickies are earning peanuts. Your stats also fail to mention hours worked, working away from home or not, employed or self employed etc. £42,000 for someone working 7 12s 300 miles from home is an awful wage. Foreign tradesman shouldn’t be coming anywhere near our jobs unless it’s absolutely necessary, and in the most part it’s not. |
Quibble with the numbers all you want Jango, but they're not my stats, they're The National Federation of Builders figures on the UK as a whole and is being reported in the Brexit cheerleading rag, the Daily Mail. I claim no ownership over these numbers (and for Wingstamdwoods benefit, have never once claimed that a £90,000 salary can be had in Swansea for a brickie).
The thrust of the article is that we're short of trademen in this country as is, and that's before we're about to close the door on freedom of movement (Theresa Mays words, not mine). The country apparently needs 35000 new tradespeople a year to keep up with demand. Couple this with Pikey Pauls contribution to this thread, and we're apparently in boom time Britain.
But I'm confused as to what i'm supposed to believe, because this same paper reports that cheap foreign labour is the source of driving down our collective wages. which flies in the face of what this article is saying. | | | |
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