| Totally sums Brexit and the remoaner MPs up on 20:49 - Jan 27 with 4293 views | WxmJax |
Don't all parties renege on their manifestos once elected ?
Boris (I never mentioned Turkey) Johnson, what was that figure on the side of the bus which isn't (and never was) going to happen ? |  |
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| Totally sums Brexit and the remoaner MPs up on 08:06 - Jan 28 with 4161 views | costalotta |
Yeah quite possibly.or perhaps in time the biggest con job ever will have its perpetrators remembered in a similar fashion. The future will decide that but one thing is for sure you’re an obsessive berk who needs a holiday. |  | | |
| Totally sums Brexit and the remoaner MPs up on 08:38 - Jan 28 with 4125 views | WarwickHunt |
| Totally sums Brexit and the remoaner MPs up on 08:06 - Jan 28 by costalotta |
Yeah quite possibly.or perhaps in time the biggest con job ever will have its perpetrators remembered in a similar fashion. The future will decide that but one thing is for sure you’re an obsessive berk who needs a holiday. |
R&R after his lobotomy. |  | | |
| Totally sums Brexit and the remoaner MPs up on 08:48 - Jan 28 with 4124 views | ScottishEddie |
Is this why you voted remain but now are a leaver? [Post edited 28 Jan 2019 8:49]
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| Totally sums Brexit and the remoaner MPs up on 09:09 - Jan 28 with 4101 views | karnataka |
Wow, government shits on electorate shock!! |  | | |
| Totally sums Brexit and the remoaner MPs up on 09:31 - Jan 28 with 4081 views | sg1912 |
| Totally sums Brexit and the remoaner MPs up on 20:49 - Jan 27 by WxmJax |
Don't all parties renege on their manifestos once elected ?
Boris (I never mentioned Turkey) Johnson, what was that figure on the side of the bus which isn't (and never was) going to happen ? |
.. the bus was actually an underestimate, it's going to be £395million according to the chancellor | | | |
| Totally sums Brexit and the remoaner MPs up on 09:51 - Jan 28 with 4060 views | westwalesed |
Reluctant to comment on anything Brexit related nowadays as when I do I get abuse, but here goes.
Whilst those of us who have always voted and been engaged in Politics have absolutely no surprise that elected Governments renege on their Manifesto commitments, there are two very different things at play with the Referendum in 2016.
Firstly, it was a Referendum. It was a binary choice. It was legislated for by Parliamentarians who realised that they were out of step with public opinion on this issue and so gave the decision to the people. The moment they did that, their job simply became to enact the decision, regardless of the outcome. I think it was 6 to 1 who voted in favour of the Referendum so the Referendum had cross bench support.
Secondly, there are millions of people who voted for the very first time in that Referendum and were engaged. They felt as though their vote had meaning for the first time. I've no idea how it will play out if that power is then taken away from them. But we have the ballot box for a reason - it's a way of settling disagreements peacefully. Beyond that, how do you settle a dispute? | |
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| Totally sums Brexit and the remoaner MPs up on 10:09 - Jan 28 with 4044 views | LeonWasGod |
Same old bollox.
'What's happening out there?' I asked. 'Where did the anger come from?' From people like you Dan, stirring up people with your bullsh*t.
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"It comes in response to men like Dominic Grieve. People who willingly embrace the title 'Honourable Member' then deceive their constituents" how's that then Dan? Any evidence? His position has always been clear to his constituents.
"agitate in direct opposition to their wishes" - his constituents in Beaconsfield voted Remain.
"and laugh in their faces while they're doing it". - Any evidence again Dan? No, thought not. |  | | |
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| Totally sums Brexit and the remoaner MPs up on 14:01 - Jan 28 with 3986 views | AnotherJohn |
| Totally sums Brexit and the remoaner MPs up on 10:09 - Jan 28 by LeonWasGod |
Same old bollox.
'What's happening out there?' I asked. 'Where did the anger come from?' From people like you Dan, stirring up people with your bullsh*t.
E.g.
"It comes in response to men like Dominic Grieve. People who willingly embrace the title 'Honourable Member' then deceive their constituents" how's that then Dan? Any evidence? His position has always been clear to his constituents.
"agitate in direct opposition to their wishes" - his constituents in Beaconsfield voted Remain.
"and laugh in their faces while they're doing it". - Any evidence again Dan? No, thought not. |
I thought that when Grieve squabbled with Alex Salmond in committee about the EU Referendum Bill, and said that the UK must vote as a whole and there would be no 'veto' for Scotland or Wales or N. Ireland, that he was also saying there would be no veto for MPs who disagreed with the outcome. Surely his constituents would have understood what he said in that way?
Hansard 16 Jun 2015 : Column 192
Mr Grieve: It seems to me that the question is about not lack of respect, but what decisions are taken in common and in relation to what decisions we give a veto to the different component parts. The right hon. and learned Gentleman argues–it is a perfectly persuasive argument–that there should be an effective veto in each component part. However, there is an equally perfectly valid argument that the decision is ultimately a political one for the Government and that the Government would be entitled to take a view that, in the interests of the community in its widest sense–all the component parts–they should come to a decision one way or the other, irrespective of the fact that one component part did not want that decision.
P.S. For the record:
South Bucks 78.4 % turnout. Remain 20,077 and Leave 20,647 [Post edited 28 Jan 2019 14:22]
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| Totally sums Brexit and the remoaner MPs up on 17:24 - Jan 28 with 3904 views | LeonWasGod |
| Totally sums Brexit and the remoaner MPs up on 14:01 - Jan 28 by AnotherJohn |
I thought that when Grieve squabbled with Alex Salmond in committee about the EU Referendum Bill, and said that the UK must vote as a whole and there would be no 'veto' for Scotland or Wales or N. Ireland, that he was also saying there would be no veto for MPs who disagreed with the outcome. Surely his constituents would have understood what he said in that way?
Hansard 16 Jun 2015 : Column 192
Mr Grieve: It seems to me that the question is about not lack of respect, but what decisions are taken in common and in relation to what decisions we give a veto to the different component parts. The right hon. and learned Gentleman argues–it is a perfectly persuasive argument–that there should be an effective veto in each component part. However, there is an equally perfectly valid argument that the decision is ultimately a political one for the Government and that the Government would be entitled to take a view that, in the interests of the community in its widest sense–all the component parts–they should come to a decision one way or the other, irrespective of the fact that one component part did not want that decision.
P.S. For the record:
South Bucks 78.4 % turnout. Remain 20,077 and Leave 20,647 [Post edited 28 Jan 2019 14:22]
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You could argue that as a separate point. That wasn't Dan Hodges claim though - he's referring to his constituent's wishes, not those of the whole electorate.
Grieve's constituency is Beaconsfield - Remain 50.8%, Leave 49.2%. So in that regard his position is not "in direct opposition to their wishes".
I'm torn though - quite happy to support flack for a Tory, just not to side with the Mail  | | | |
| Totally sums Brexit and the remoaner MPs up on 20:30 - Jan 28 with 3813 views | Kilkennyjack |
So in your looney world, asking the people to vote is undemocratic ?
Warra fanny. |  |
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| Totally sums Brexit and the remoaner MPs up on 20:53 - Jan 28 with 3789 views | longlostjack |
| Totally sums Brexit and the remoaner MPs up on 09:51 - Jan 28 by westwalesed |
Reluctant to comment on anything Brexit related nowadays as when I do I get abuse, but here goes.
Whilst those of us who have always voted and been engaged in Politics have absolutely no surprise that elected Governments renege on their Manifesto commitments, there are two very different things at play with the Referendum in 2016.
Firstly, it was a Referendum. It was a binary choice. It was legislated for by Parliamentarians who realised that they were out of step with public opinion on this issue and so gave the decision to the people. The moment they did that, their job simply became to enact the decision, regardless of the outcome. I think it was 6 to 1 who voted in favour of the Referendum so the Referendum had cross bench support.
Secondly, there are millions of people who voted for the very first time in that Referendum and were engaged. They felt as though their vote had meaning for the first time. I've no idea how it will play out if that power is then taken away from them. But we have the ballot box for a reason - it's a way of settling disagreements peacefully. Beyond that, how do you settle a dispute? |
It could equally be argued that May went to the ballot box to get a mandate. She patently didn’t get that mandate. She should have respected the result and run a minority Govt that sought consensus instead of doing a dirty deal with the DUP. Tory party interests put before the national interest. The real story of Brexit. [Post edited 28 Jan 2019 20:54]
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| Totally sums Brexit and the remoaner MPs up on 21:04 - Jan 28 with 3773 views | Lohengrin |
| Totally sums Brexit and the remoaner MPs up on 20:53 - Jan 28 by longlostjack |
It could equally be argued that May went to the ballot box to get a mandate. She patently didn’t get that mandate. She should have respected the result and run a minority Govt that sought consensus instead of doing a dirty deal with the DUP. Tory party interests put before the national interest. The real story of Brexit. [Post edited 28 Jan 2019 20:54]
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They all do that. The concept of ‘the nation’ is an abstract, ‘the party’ is how they pay their mortgage and meet their obligations. Like dogs they wag their tails to whoever feeds them.
If it’s martyrs and radical sacrifice you’re looking for you’re looking in the wrong place. |  |
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| Totally sums Brexit and the remoaner MPs up on 22:13 - Jan 28 with 3731 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Totally sums Brexit and the remoaner MPs up on 09:31 - Jan 28 by sg1912 |
.. the bus was actually an underestimate, it's going to be £395million according to the chancellor |
Every week? |  |
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| Totally sums Brexit and the remoaner MPs up on 23:05 - Jan 28 with 3694 views | Lohengrin |
You disagree, Mart6? I’m hanging on your alternative thesis. Shall I hold my breath? | |
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| Totally sums Brexit and the remoaner MPs up on 09:30 - Jan 29 with 3589 views | sherpajacob |
| Totally sums Brexit and the remoaner MPs up on 20:53 - Jan 28 by longlostjack |
It could equally be argued that May went to the ballot box to get a mandate. She patently didn’t get that mandate. She should have respected the result and run a minority Govt that sought consensus instead of doing a dirty deal with the DUP. Tory party interests put before the national interest. The real story of Brexit. [Post edited 28 Jan 2019 20:54]
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If May had won her 100+ seat majority, she would have happily thrown the DUP under a bus and hived off NI into a separate EU customs union. |  |
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| Totally sums Brexit and the remoaner MPs up on 12:09 - Jan 29 with 3558 views | westwalesed |
| Totally sums Brexit and the remoaner MPs up on 20:53 - Jan 28 by longlostjack |
It could equally be argued that May went to the ballot box to get a mandate. She patently didn’t get that mandate. She should have respected the result and run a minority Govt that sought consensus instead of doing a dirty deal with the DUP. Tory party interests put before the national interest. The real story of Brexit. [Post edited 28 Jan 2019 20:54]
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Not related at all to the decision to hold a Referendum and therefore devolve that decision to the people.
But if you are using the GE in 2017 as an example, over 80% of the public backed the two main parties who both stated they would implement Brexit. | |
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| Totally sums Brexit and the remoaner MPs up on 12:28 - Jan 29 with 3540 views | WarwickHunt |
| Totally sums Brexit and the remoaner MPs up on 12:09 - Jan 29 by westwalesed |
Not related at all to the decision to hold a Referendum and therefore devolve that decision to the people.
But if you are using the GE in 2017 as an example, over 80% of the public backed the two main parties who both stated they would implement Brexit. |
Only 72% voted, dipshit. | | | |
| Totally sums Brexit and the remoaner MPs up on 13:13 - Jan 29 with 3501 views | Highjack |
| Totally sums Brexit and the remoaner MPs up on 20:30 - Jan 28 by Kilkennyjack |
So in your looney world, asking the people to vote is undemocratic ?
Warra fanny. |
It is undemocratic when only one result will be acknowledged. |  |
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| Totally sums Brexit and the remoaner MPs up on 13:18 - Jan 29 with 3489 views | WarwickHunt |
| Totally sums Brexit and the remoaner MPs up on 13:13 - Jan 29 by Highjack |
It is undemocratic when only one result will be acknowledged. |
Do you still think the Maybot has a dastardly Machiavellian plan to keep us in the EU?  | | | |
| Totally sums Brexit and the remoaner MPs up on 15:00 - Jan 29 with 3415 views | Whiterockin |
| Totally sums Brexit and the remoaner MPs up on 23:05 - Jan 28 by Lohengrin |
You disagree, Mart6? I’m hanging on your alternative thesis. Shall I hold my breath? |
Mart6 has little intelligence, can't form a sentence or construct a valid argument. All he can do is click a keyboard to down arrow.
I await the inevitable. |  | | |
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