| The Trust in the Liberty Directors Box on a matchday 16:26 - Feb 13 with 7271 views | Darran |
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| The Trust in the Liberty Directors Box on a matchday on 22:57 - Feb 13 with 1562 views | chad |
| The Trust in the Liberty Directors Box on a matchday on 22:09 - Feb 13 by TenbySwan |
I support that.
That is what I was thinking
Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.
It should be strictly business though and not a jolly for families or friends as well. [Post edited 13 Feb 2019 22:16]
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Trouble was it was them keeping their enemies close when they secretly stitched up a deal to sell the club to venture capitalists right under our noses. |  | | |
| The Trust in the Liberty Directors Box on a matchday on 23:00 - Feb 13 with 1551 views | Garyjack |
| The Trust in the Liberty Directors Box on a matchday on 22:50 - Feb 13 by Darran |
Well I don’t know what so far has achieved by being in the Directirs Box and I don’t see staying in there achieving anything in the future. |
I've met Stu Mac a few times over the Landore club before games, he's always left early laughing about whether he'll choose the steak or lamb. No criticism at the time as fair play to him as the trust director. But he should not step foot in there again after today. |  | | |
| The Trust in the Liberty Directors Box on a matchday on 23:02 - Feb 13 with 1528 views | MoscowJack |
| The Trust in the Liberty Directors Box on a matchday on 22:47 - Feb 13 by Garyjack |
And that achieves what exactly Nick? They wont enjoy going there, but they will to show their not scared? That makes no sense at all! Leave it to the legal representatives now. After today it's the only way to go. |
The VERY least is that the lawyers attend, which would actually be a good statement in itself.
I just think that neither Phil or Stu attending makes the Yanks think they're winning and in a position of strength. That's even more vital when dealing with Americans. Corporate Yanks might all dress like they've just walked out of a Burton's second-hand shop, but they look for signs of weakness, especially when litigation is involved. We need to look strong now and it would be a hell of a lot better if the Yanks knew that the fans were behind the Trust. Unfortunately, they must surely know there's a split amongst fans' opinions but somehow everyone needs to be far more united from now on. |  |
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| The Trust in the Liberty Directors Box on a matchday on 23:32 - Feb 13 with 1460 views | Swanseajill |
| The Trust in the Liberty Directors Box on a matchday on 17:23 - Feb 13 by 3swan |
I'll most likely be in the minority, but with how things are being played out PR wise I think for now continue to be in the directors box. Don't give any opportunity to use anything against the Trust in a negative way |
I agree with you Clive, any show of weakness however small, well this isn't the time to show it.
Phil and Stu are in the directors box on behalf of the fans. For the fans still have a bit part to play in this ongoing saga of deceit and untruths. Keeping our place in the directors box will show we are a voice to be listened to. |  | | |
| The Trust in the Liberty Directors Box on a matchday on 00:21 - Feb 14 with 1429 views | jasper_T |
Surely not attending just sends a message that it's the other shareholders' club and the trust are on the outside looking in. Taking a seat in the directors box isn't showing support for the other directors it's the trust acting as if they're 21% owner of the football club. | | | |
| The Trust in the Liberty Directors Box on a matchday on 10:02 - Feb 14 with 1278 views | The_E20 |
| The Trust in the Liberty Directors Box on a matchday on 22:41 - Feb 13 by jack247 |
The trust should absolutely have a presence in the directors box.
Completely agree it shouldn’t be a perk though. Taking wives/friends etc is just wrong. Whoever is in there should be representing the the trust and the fan base in general. It shouldn’t be a day out.
To be fair, more or less every post I’ve seen from a trust board member claims they’d rather be in their normal seat than the directors box. |
It should be Stu Mac and Stu Mac alone. Phil is the Chairman, not the director. If Stu is unavailable then he’s unavailable, it shouldn’t be handed down. If he continues to be unavailable then his position should be under scrutiny as the position should require a directors presence.
When the Trust was ”reformed”, anyone that took a position knowing their life required copious amounts of “family time and other commitments” really should have taken a part time helpers position and not a seat on the Trust board. I don’t accept the excuse any longer and neither should the membership, everyone knows by now the time requirements that the position demands. [Post edited 14 Feb 2019 10:29]
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| The Trust in the Liberty Directors Box on a matchday on 10:27 - Feb 14 with 1254 views | Uxbridge |
If there's a point to being there, the Trust should be there. If there isn't, there isn't. Sometimes not being there is a good message to send, sometimes it's the wrong one. Everything depends on context. The Trust hasn't always managed that how I'd have liked if I'm being honest, there are times we should have very publicly distances ourselves, but such is a democracy.
Must admit, not sure the legal chappy for the sellouts going off on one is a logical justification to decide the Trust should pull out of going there, especially as they're not always showing their faces these days (one or two exceptions of course ... and the sooner the club rescinds those perks, the sooner the fans will believe they are being listened to).
Especially as the statement yesterday said the Trust would keep dialogue open with the majority owners in the hope of finding a way through this.
Things may change quickly of course.
Ian nailed this in the first page anyway with his first para. Every time I've been in there has been a chore. Sometimes a necessary one though. |  |
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| The Trust in the Liberty Directors Box on a matchday on 10:34 - Feb 14 with 1242 views | builthjack |
| The Trust in the Liberty Directors Box on a matchday on 10:27 - Feb 14 by Uxbridge |
If there's a point to being there, the Trust should be there. If there isn't, there isn't. Sometimes not being there is a good message to send, sometimes it's the wrong one. Everything depends on context. The Trust hasn't always managed that how I'd have liked if I'm being honest, there are times we should have very publicly distances ourselves, but such is a democracy.
Must admit, not sure the legal chappy for the sellouts going off on one is a logical justification to decide the Trust should pull out of going there, especially as they're not always showing their faces these days (one or two exceptions of course ... and the sooner the club rescinds those perks, the sooner the fans will believe they are being listened to).
Especially as the statement yesterday said the Trust would keep dialogue open with the majority owners in the hope of finding a way through this.
Things may change quickly of course.
Ian nailed this in the first page anyway with his first para. Every time I've been in there has been a chore. Sometimes a necessary one though. |
How many of the trust are invited each game?
Is it just the trust people or do they take partners etc? |  |
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| The Trust in the Liberty Directors Box on a matchday on 10:54 - Feb 14 with 1224 views | Uxbridge |
| The Trust in the Liberty Directors Box on a matchday on 10:34 - Feb 14 by builthjack |
How many of the trust are invited each game?
Is it just the trust people or do they take partners etc? |
Technically I don't think we have a limit on spaces, but typically it's 1-2.
Partners or non-Trust board members are not generally in attendance. It does occasionally happen though, mainly if attendance is messing about with usual matchday plans. If it's for a valid reason I don't have a problem with that. | |
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| The Trust in the Liberty Directors Box on a matchday on 13:12 - Feb 14 with 1155 views | chad |
| The Trust in the Liberty Directors Box on a matchday on 23:32 - Feb 13 by Swanseajill |
I agree with you Clive, any show of weakness however small, well this isn't the time to show it.
Phil and Stu are in the directors box on behalf of the fans. For the fans still have a bit part to play in this ongoing saga of deceit and untruths. Keeping our place in the directors box will show we are a voice to be listened to. |
“Keeping our place in the directors box will show we are a voice to be listened to.”
How has that worked out for us so far?
Certainly the new majority owners and sellouts have shown again and again and again that they have no respect for the Trust not even our legal rights.
They would not think we were a voice to be listened to even if we had a megaphone superglued to our lips. | | | |
| The Trust in the Liberty Directors Box on a matchday on 20:53 - Feb 14 with 1036 views | Jinxy |
How about this for a bottom line - it's our club not theirs. If anyone should feel awkward or avoid contact etc., it's them. Keep sitting there. |  | | |
| The Trust in the Liberty Directors Box on a matchday on 21:04 - Feb 14 with 1015 views | chad |
| The Trust in the Liberty Directors Box on a matchday on 20:53 - Feb 14 by Jinxy |
How about this for a bottom line - it's our club not theirs. If anyone should feel awkward or avoid contact etc., it's them. Keep sitting there. |
Ah the bottom line
Now there is something they will listen to | | | |
| The Trust in the Liberty Directors Box on a matchday on 21:07 - Feb 14 with 1005 views | Dr_Winston |
It's all about appearances.
If we're going the legal route then the last thing the Trust should do is become uncooperative and surly. |  |
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| The Trust in the Liberty Directors Box on a matchday on 21:12 - Feb 14 with 987 views | exiledclaseboy |
| The Trust in the Liberty Directors Box on a matchday on 21:07 - Feb 14 by Dr_Winston |
It's all about appearances.
If we're going the legal route then the last thing the Trust should do is become uncooperative and surly. |
Well that kind of depends on the nature of the legal claim. |  |
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| The Trust in the Liberty Directors Box on a matchday on 21:18 - Feb 14 with 974 views | Jinxy |
| The Trust in the Liberty Directors Box on a matchday on 21:04 - Feb 14 by chad |
Ah the bottom line
Now there is something they will listen to |
Define "they". If you mean the Americans then personally, I couldn't give a toss, and neither would the Trust I imagine. If you mean barristers, judges, media etc then please explain. As I said earlier, strip the emotion out of it.
There's another bottom line for you. | | | |
| The Trust in the Liberty Directors Box on a matchday on 21:30 - Feb 14 with 949 views | Oldjack |
| The Trust in the Liberty Directors Box on a matchday on 18:26 - Feb 13 by Darran |
We chat have the likes of Oldjack pissed up in the Directors Box mun,we’d be kicked out of the league ffs. |
I've got no chance of cherry blossom poisoning if I was there that's a dead cert ,unlike you  |  |
| Prosser the Tosser dwells on Phil's bum hole like a rusty old hemorrhoid ,fact
You Greedy Bastards Get Out Of OUR Club!
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| The Trust in the Liberty Directors Box on a matchday on 21:40 - Feb 14 with 927 views | Dr_Winston |
| The Trust in the Liberty Directors Box on a matchday on 21:12 - Feb 14 by exiledclaseboy |
Well that kind of depends on the nature of the legal claim. |
To a degree, but it certainly can't hurt our claim to remain reasonable and co operative. | |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| The Trust in the Liberty Directors Box on a matchday on 21:56 - Feb 14 with 901 views | Garyjack |
| The Trust in the Liberty Directors Box on a matchday on 21:07 - Feb 14 by Dr_Winston |
It's all about appearances.
If we're going the legal route then the last thing the Trust should do is become uncooperative and surly. |
"uncooperative and surly." The trust have been anything but since April 2016 in order to avoid the 'legal route' Jamie, and look where that's got them! Lies and deceit in a determined attempt to undermine the fans of this club so they could line their pockets without a care in the fvcking world for the football club that some of them are lifelong fans of, and which they should have felt privileged to be custodians of. Has it actually sank in with you what happened yesterday? It was nothing less than a declaration of war on the trust and the fans of our club. Let's not forget that. | | | |
| The Trust in the Liberty Directors Box on a matchday on 22:01 - Feb 14 with 886 views | Dr_Winston |
| The Trust in the Liberty Directors Box on a matchday on 21:56 - Feb 14 by Garyjack |
"uncooperative and surly." The trust have been anything but since April 2016 in order to avoid the 'legal route' Jamie, and look where that's got them! Lies and deceit in a determined attempt to undermine the fans of this club so they could line their pockets without a care in the fvcking world for the football club that some of them are lifelong fans of, and which they should have felt privileged to be custodians of. Has it actually sank in with you what happened yesterday? It was nothing less than a declaration of war on the trust and the fans of our club. Let's not forget that. |
I don't necessarily disagree with any of that.
However, if we're going up before the beak it certainly doesn't hurt our cause to remain friendly, implacable and accommodating.
As the great philosopher Patrick Swayze once said, be nice until it's time to not be nice.  | |
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| The Trust in the Liberty Directors Box on a matchday on 22:04 - Feb 14 with 879 views | Garyjack |
| The Trust in the Liberty Directors Box on a matchday on 22:01 - Feb 14 by Dr_Winston |
I don't necessarily disagree with any of that.
However, if we're going up before the beak it certainly doesn't hurt our cause to remain friendly, implacable and accommodating.
As the great philosopher Patrick Swayze once said, be nice until it's time to not be nice. |
It's time not to be nice. | | | |
| The Trust in the Liberty Directors Box on a matchday on 22:32 - Feb 14 with 844 views | chad |
| The Trust in the Liberty Directors Box on a matchday on 21:18 - Feb 14 by Jinxy |
Define "they". If you mean the Americans then personally, I couldn't give a toss, and neither would the Trust I imagine. If you mean barristers, judges, media etc then please explain. As I said earlier, strip the emotion out of it.
There's another bottom line for you. |
Whoa jinxy cat, perhaps you need to strip the emotion out
It wasn’t anything to do with you or the Trust giving a toss, it was merely a development of a previous discussion about them (the buyers and sellers) not wanting to listen to our voices
And you mentioning the bottom line, which is something they are very interested in
Nothing more than that
However to suggest that those that prefer the Trust not to be in the directors box is merely an emotional response I think lacks balance.
I see pros and cons, however they certainly seem not to be listening to us when again and again they have treated us with total disrespect and disdain.
Also recall how they used us previously when conducting the sale in secret under our noses whilst keeping us close in the directors box. Perhaps a little professional distance is called for and perhaps after last time many supporters feel socialising in the directors box does not give the right message in the current situation. Also possibly it is benefitting them more than us as occurred during the sale. | | | |
| The Trust in the Liberty Directors Box on a matchday on 08:02 - Feb 15 with 731 views | 3swan |
| The Trust in the Liberty Directors Box on a matchday on 22:32 - Feb 14 by chad |
Whoa jinxy cat, perhaps you need to strip the emotion out
It wasn’t anything to do with you or the Trust giving a toss, it was merely a development of a previous discussion about them (the buyers and sellers) not wanting to listen to our voices
And you mentioning the bottom line, which is something they are very interested in
Nothing more than that
However to suggest that those that prefer the Trust not to be in the directors box is merely an emotional response I think lacks balance.
I see pros and cons, however they certainly seem not to be listening to us when again and again they have treated us with total disrespect and disdain.
Also recall how they used us previously when conducting the sale in secret under our noses whilst keeping us close in the directors box. Perhaps a little professional distance is called for and perhaps after last time many supporters feel socialising in the directors box does not give the right message in the current situation. Also possibly it is benefitting them more than us as occurred during the sale. |
"socialising in the directors box does not give the right message in the current situation"
I would agree with that but it does beg the question are they socializing? or I hope attending for the perception it gives if the legal route is taken.
I posted earlier that It's not the best time for the Trust do something that could be classed as negative. We as fans think differently to how the legal system will look at things.
Sometimes unpalatable for us fans, but with only a few home games to go I'd say let it run.
Now the health warning to all this is that we don't know what is talked about on match days, maybe a Trust member being there can get our position across to visiting directors. Every bit can help | | | |
| The Trust in the Liberty Directors Box on a matchday on 08:04 - Feb 15 with 725 views | ItchySphincter |
| The Trust in the Liberty Directors Box on a matchday on 10:02 - Feb 14 by The_E20 |
It should be Stu Mac and Stu Mac alone. Phil is the Chairman, not the director. If Stu is unavailable then he’s unavailable, it shouldn’t be handed down. If he continues to be unavailable then his position should be under scrutiny as the position should require a directors presence.
When the Trust was ”reformed”, anyone that took a position knowing their life required copious amounts of “family time and other commitments” really should have taken a part time helpers position and not a seat on the Trust board. I don’t accept the excuse any longer and neither should the membership, everyone knows by now the time requirements that the position demands. [Post edited 14 Feb 2019 10:29]
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| The Trust in the Liberty Directors Box on a matchday on 08:27 - Feb 15 with 705 views | Jinxy |
| The Trust in the Liberty Directors Box on a matchday on 22:32 - Feb 14 by chad |
Whoa jinxy cat, perhaps you need to strip the emotion out
It wasn’t anything to do with you or the Trust giving a toss, it was merely a development of a previous discussion about them (the buyers and sellers) not wanting to listen to our voices
And you mentioning the bottom line, which is something they are very interested in
Nothing more than that
However to suggest that those that prefer the Trust not to be in the directors box is merely an emotional response I think lacks balance.
I see pros and cons, however they certainly seem not to be listening to us when again and again they have treated us with total disrespect and disdain.
Also recall how they used us previously when conducting the sale in secret under our noses whilst keeping us close in the directors box. Perhaps a little professional distance is called for and perhaps after last time many supporters feel socialising in the directors box does not give the right message in the current situation. Also possibly it is benefitting them more than us as occurred during the sale. |
I think "keeping a professional distance" would be quite an emotional response actually, also in my view quite childish. I also think that any perception that the Trust are (now) there just "socialising" should be put to bed. Would you want to schmooze with "them"? I have no doubt that in the past, there may well have been various interactions between Trust members and owners (certainly previous) that were less than productive (this has been done to death, mistakes made and recognised etc.), but once the hand was revealed everything changed. The masks slipped. I was at the EGM when the previous SD made his "speech" by the way - and I didn't buy it and said so at the time. As you say, we were (too?) close and the sale was made under our noses and we didn't see/know anything. Hmmmm. That was then, and this is now...
I think we all agree that "they" (now that I understand who you are referring to) aren't listening to us, other than their statement that they will consult the Trust over DOF selection. It's not about them listening to us at the moment though is it, it's actually the other way around. We are now clearer as to who, or what we are dealing with, and we need to watch them and not turn our backs - face up!
Ask yourself a simple question - what would practically be achieved by a Trust representative not being there? We can, however, pick up words, signs, signals, body languages, note the presence of certain people, note who is talking or friendly to who, have off-the-record discussions, plant little seeds etc. IF we are there with the right strategy and intentions etc. (which I feel we now are - history is history). Also, I repeat - it's our club and we have every right to be there (and that sends a message to "them" to!).
At the moment though, probably the MOST important aspect is to bolster our PR, so that the Trust cannot be viewed as anything other than an organisation that is, and has been, more than willing to mediate. Whiter than white we are, m'lud.
From Phil's remarks, thankfully, I believe common sense will prevail here. Hopefully the Trust will brief/de-brief the SD each time (or whoever deputises) to glean the most from the experience. Jinxy cat out! | | | |
| The Trust in the Liberty Directors Box on a matchday on 09:50 - Feb 15 with 632 views | The_E20 |
| The Trust in the Liberty Directors Box on a matchday on 08:04 - Feb 15 by ItchySphincter |
Are you a trust member? |
Former member. But it’s irrelevant really. | | | |
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