| Academy Cat 1 - to Cat 3.. 18:28 - Feb 17 with 21115 views | TailGunner |
USA plan - Within 18 months if we don't go up.
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| Academy Cat 1 - to Cat 3.. on 18:30 - Feb 17 with 8327 views | icecoldjack |
Not a shock, hearing we are 20m quid in debt and that needs clearing in the summer so expect more gutting of playing staff and personnel |  | | |
| Academy Cat 1 - to Cat 3.. on 18:39 - Feb 17 with 8224 views | TailGunner |
| Academy Cat 1 - to Cat 3.. on 18:30 - Feb 17 by icecoldjack |
Not a shock, hearing we are 20m quid in debt and that needs clearing in the summer so expect more gutting of playing staff and personnel |
Agree. 3.7m a year. Will need culling.
Shame the owners have no funds to help us our with things like this.
Lying bastards. | | | |
| Academy Cat 1 - to Cat 3.. on 18:40 - Feb 17 with 8218 views | Al_Bundy |
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| Academy Cat 1 - to Cat 3.. on 18:42 - Feb 17 with 8194 views | Gaz_M |
| Academy Cat 1 - to Cat 3.. on 18:40 - Feb 17 by Al_Bundy |
next level |
Next level bull shit from the OP. | | | |
| Academy Cat 1 - to Cat 3.. on 18:47 - Feb 17 with 8162 views | hobo |
Criminal if true. I know we signed Dan James, but do you think he would have joined us if we didn't have CAT 1? No chance. The amount is a pittance compared to the potential benefits |  | | |
| Academy Cat 1 - to Cat 3.. on 18:47 - Feb 17 with 8158 views | jasper_T |
Suspicious timing of this post. Too positive here for you after the game?
This kind of move would only make sense in the event of selling off the facilities the club has built. The savings in day-to-day running costs between the minimum standards required aren't enormous (although if fulltime staff go part time it's not a meaningless difference), it's the specialised buildings that were the big moneysinks.
As a consequence our players become easier to poach, compensation rates drop dramatically for players who do leave, and the club misses out on the Checkatrade Trophy participation. And the players miss out if standards are relaxed and training hours reduced, obviously. | | | |
| Academy Cat 1 - to Cat 3.. on 18:51 - Feb 17 with 8121 views | jasper_T |
| Academy Cat 1 - to Cat 3.. on 18:39 - Feb 17 by TailGunner |
Agree. 3.7m a year. Will need culling.
Shame the owners have no funds to help us our with things like this.
Lying bastards. |
The minimum standards for Cat One I've sen are 18 full time staff and an operational budget of £2.5m. One member of staff per 8 players.
Cat Three is minimum £500k with one member of staff per 10 players (can be part time).
Whether we're spending only the minimum at Cat One, and whether we'd only meet the minimums at Cat Three though idk. | | | |
| Academy Cat 1 - to Cat 3.. on 19:11 - Feb 17 with 8010 views | Garyjack |
| Academy Cat 1 - to Cat 3.. on 18:51 - Feb 17 by jasper_T |
The minimum standards for Cat One I've sen are 18 full time staff and an operational budget of £2.5m. One member of staff per 8 players.
Cat Three is minimum £500k with one member of staff per 10 players (can be part time).
Whether we're spending only the minimum at Cat One, and whether we'd only meet the minimums at Cat Three though idk. |
We're being stripped to the bare bones, and yes, they will sell the academy. Anyone who thought differently is naive in the extreme. I posted this many times before we were relegated that once we were, we would not be able to afford to run the facilities that we'd built, which made Martin Morgans Jaxxbay Ltd millions of pounds. |  | | |
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| Academy Cat 1 - to Cat 3.. on 19:11 - Feb 17 with 8001 views | TailGunner |
| Academy Cat 1 - to Cat 3.. on 18:47 - Feb 17 by jasper_T |
Suspicious timing of this post. Too positive here for you after the game?
This kind of move would only make sense in the event of selling off the facilities the club has built. The savings in day-to-day running costs between the minimum standards required aren't enormous (although if fulltime staff go part time it's not a meaningless difference), it's the specialised buildings that were the big moneysinks.
As a consequence our players become easier to poach, compensation rates drop dramatically for players who do leave, and the club misses out on the Checkatrade Trophy participation. And the players miss out if standards are relaxed and training hours reduced, obviously. |
Suspicious timing??
Just got back from the liberty
Don't shoot the messenger.
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| Academy Cat 1 - to Cat 3.. on 19:24 - Feb 17 with 7904 views | Loyal |
| Academy Cat 1 - to Cat 3.. on 18:30 - Feb 17 by icecoldjack |
Not a shock, hearing we are 20m quid in debt and that needs clearing in the summer so expect more gutting of playing staff and personnel |
We can hear as many figures as we like, but until it's proven to a majority share holder it's filed under bullshit. |  |
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| Academy Cat 1 - to Cat 3.. on 19:26 - Feb 17 with 7878 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
Lets kill any goose that could lay a golden egg.........even a Hedge Fud could see the value in an academy if they were not focussed on short term gains.
The sellouts = greedy morons. |  |
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| Academy Cat 1 - to Cat 3.. on 19:29 - Feb 17 with 7847 views | Garyjack |
| Academy Cat 1 - to Cat 3.. on 19:24 - Feb 17 by Loyal |
We can hear as many figures as we like, but until it's proven to a majority share holder it's filed under bullshit. |
In fairness, the OP wouldn't post something like this unless it's from a VERY good source. Why would he? It's a random thing too say without substance. | | | |
| Academy Cat 1 - to Cat 3.. on 19:29 - Feb 17 with 7842 views | TailGunner |
If we are in as deep crap as people say, this is the first cull that needs to happen. Jasper lives the boys, but the 1st team is all that matters.
Credit to Tony Pennock & Jon Beale & Waggy for bringing through the local talent which have made it through to help us now . | | | |
| Academy Cat 1 - to Cat 3.. on 19:32 - Feb 17 with 7816 views | Pacemaker |
Doesn’t make any sense as there is no cheaper way of bringing players to the first team or sell to lower league teams.
Just can’t see the owners suggesting this. |  |
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| Academy Cat 1 - to Cat 3.. on 19:39 - Feb 17 with 7759 views | TailGunner |
| Academy Cat 1 - to Cat 3.. on 19:29 - Feb 17 by Garyjack |
In fairness, the OP wouldn't post something like this unless it's from a VERY good source. Why would he? It's a random thing too say without substance. |
From a scout this morning.
Worrying but understandable if the financial side has been neglected as bad as feared by the hedge fund.
Understandable reaction from Jasper as it's his only interested in Swansea City | | | |
| Academy Cat 1 - to Cat 3.. on 19:40 - Feb 17 with 7740 views | trinityann |
I thought most clubs done this after they got relegated. | | | |
| Academy Cat 1 - to Cat 3.. on 19:45 - Feb 17 with 7694 views | Garyjack |
| Academy Cat 1 - to Cat 3.. on 19:40 - Feb 17 by trinityann |
I thought most clubs done this after they got relegated. |
What kill off their Academies and sell the land it's built on? I don't think so! 
This was the sell outs legacy wasn't it? They must be so proud! | | | |
| Academy Cat 1 - to Cat 3.. on 19:45 - Feb 17 with 7688 views | LeonWasGod |
| Academy Cat 1 - to Cat 3.. on 19:32 - Feb 17 by Pacemaker |
Doesn’t make any sense as there is no cheaper way of bringing players to the first team or sell to lower league teams.
Just can’t see the owners suggesting this. |
We could look at how many Cat 1, 2 & 3 academies there are in this league as a clue to what's realistic. I don't know what the breakdown is. I'd be very surprised if we don't drop to Cat 2. Cat 3 seems a bit unnecessary, certainly while we have parachute payments anyway.
Last year's accounts will be available soon (this week if the timing is the same as last year). That's going to be key to all this speculation. What actually were our commitments going into this season? Very interesting indeed. |  | | |
| Academy Cat 1 - to Cat 3.. on 19:54 - Feb 17 with 7641 views | jasper_T |
| Academy Cat 1 - to Cat 3.. on 19:45 - Feb 17 by LeonWasGod |
We could look at how many Cat 1, 2 & 3 academies there are in this league as a clue to what's realistic. I don't know what the breakdown is. I'd be very surprised if we don't drop to Cat 2. Cat 3 seems a bit unnecessary, certainly while we have parachute payments anyway.
Last year's accounts will be available soon (this week if the timing is the same as last year). That's going to be key to all this speculation. What actually were our commitments going into this season? Very interesting indeed. |
A few have maintained Category One. Derby and Blackburn off the top of my head. For most clubs the difficulty of building all the specialised facilities, finding staff, building player recruitment structures to find enough players etc. were the main things preventing them trying for Cat One qualification.
The annual expense once you're there is certainly a factor, and clubs have downgraded as they fell down the leagues (Sunderland), but if you're in a position to move development players on to other football league clubs (as we now are) a lower category can cost you a significant amount of money in compensation/tribunals. Like FFP it's as much about big clubs protecting their interests as anything else.
I the Americans have found a buyer for the specialised facilities we built on overpriced contracts, then a downgrade is inevitable. How much standards actually slip will depend on more than simply the category we're in, though.
If you look at u23s and u18s results this season perhaps Cat One football is a step too far for what we're bringing through locally anyway. | | | |
| Academy Cat 1 - to Cat 3.. on 19:54 - Feb 17 with 7635 views | Loyal |
| Academy Cat 1 - to Cat 3.. on 19:29 - Feb 17 by Garyjack |
In fairness, the OP wouldn't post something like this unless it's from a VERY good source. Why would he? It's a random thing too say without substance. |
It's not the op I'm responding to, it's the alleged debt which has no legitimate proof about it whatsoever, just the say so of people who purchased the club in a decietfull way and have failed to prove any financial matters to the supporters trust a major shareholder. Why should anyone believe them with their track record. They are determined to strip us blind. | |
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| Academy Cat 1 - to Cat 3.. on 23:36 - Feb 17 with 7286 views | Croftyjack |
If this is the case with it proving that it can fund itself what would be the point in them hanging around...with there then being nothing to milk that would be the time to sell and recoup some of the investment.
No sense whatsoever in their business strategy. | | | |
| Academy Cat 1 - to Cat 3.. on 00:25 - Feb 18 with 7212 views | theloneranger |
| Academy Cat 1 - to Cat 3.. on 19:11 - Feb 17 by Garyjack |
We're being stripped to the bare bones, and yes, they will sell the academy. Anyone who thought differently is naive in the extreme. I posted this many times before we were relegated that once we were, we would not be able to afford to run the facilities that we'd built, which made Martin Morgans Jaxxbay Ltd millions of pounds. |
I asked Jasper on the 14th Feb who owned the land the Academy sits on in Landore.
I had a phone call that evening asking me the same question, as the caller had heard unsettling things about the Academy, very much the same as Tailgunner has mentioned above.
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| Academy Cat 1 - to Cat 3.. on 00:40 - Feb 18 with 7201 views | jackrmee |
Gutted to hear this.
It's a difficult thought of wanting to let our youngsters go in transfer windows, but I may be able to stomach selling a few if it would pay for the Cat1.
What do you guys think, if you had a choice?
Get rid of the academy and not sell so many players in the summer?
Or sell the good young players every year and keep the academy running? |  |
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| Academy Cat 1 - to Cat 3.. on 01:34 - Feb 18 with 7157 views | jasper_T |
| Academy Cat 1 - to Cat 3.. on 00:25 - Feb 18 by theloneranger |
I asked Jasper on the 14th Feb who owned the land the Academy sits on in Landore.
I had a phone call that evening asking me the same question, as the caller had heard unsettling things about the Academy, very much the same as Tailgunner has mentioned above.
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Do you know who owns it? I haven't a clue. | | | |
| Academy Cat 1 - to Cat 3.. on 01:59 - Feb 18 with 7142 views | jasper_T |
| Academy Cat 1 - to Cat 3.. on 00:40 - Feb 18 by jackrmee |
Gutted to hear this.
It's a difficult thought of wanting to let our youngsters go in transfer windows, but I may be able to stomach selling a few if it would pay for the Cat1.
What do you guys think, if you had a choice?
Get rid of the academy and not sell so many players in the summer?
Or sell the good young players every year and keep the academy running? |
Well dropping to Category Three isn't the same as shutting the academy entirely, as some Football League (and Scottish League) clubs have done. Brentford closed theirs and just run a B team instead, and seem to get decent numbers through into the first team by signing academy cast-offs in their late teens.
Not that we're in the same situation as Brentford. We're the biggest club in a sizeable catchment area that we've only recently started to properly tap, while they've never been in a position to compete for top London-area youth (no coincidence that their foreign recruitment network is well-developed). And I think there is an obligation of sorts that we provide a setup for young Welsh footballers to flourish without having to cross the border.
A drop to Category Two status would likely not have a dramatic effect on the development of local players coming through the age groups. The significant change would be in our ability to attract new players and keep top prospects from being poached. But are we still planning to invest in players this coming summer, as we did Dhanda, Jordi Govea and Ali-Al-Hamadi last summer, and Byers, James, McBurnie, Fulton, Benda, King, Maric, Biabi and Tyler Reid previously?
As Kilkenny loves to point out, we were bringing through local products before the academy was established. Joe Allen, Ben Davies, Ashley Richards, Shaun McDonald... There's still plenty of hope for the next Roberts and Rodon to emerge whatever the official status of the academy, given the division we're now playing in. | | | |
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