| Independent MPs? 12:08 - Feb 19 with 13290 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
Does this provide a way forward? We'd have to select people based on who they are, what they have achieved and what they believe in rather than the stale two party model.
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| Independent MPs? on 12:27 - Feb 19 with 4013 views | Lohengrin |
Lone voices are all very well but if you want to achieve anything in politics you have to have the apparatus, the machinery with which to effect change. It’s as simple as that.
For what it’s worth though I think personally that the days of ‘Parties, ’ denotive as they are of sectional, sectarian interest, have had their day across Europe and are set to be swept away by broad-based National ‘Movements.’ It’s already starting, you’re witnessing the beginning right now. The May elections are going to deliver a thunderclap. |  |
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| Independent MPs? on 12:27 - Feb 19 with 4016 views | DwightYorkeSuperstar |
Carolyn Harris must be praying that is not the way forward. |  |
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| Independent MPs? on 12:46 - Feb 19 with 3997 views | WarwickHunt |
The ERG tail is wagging the Tory dog and Labour is in the grip of Momentum and Unite, and will be for the foreseeable future making “change from within” virtually impossible.
Anti-Brexit Tories and centrist Labour MPs are facing deselection threats. They may well jump before they’re pushed.
A genuine centre party could potentially ‘do a Macron’. If May persists with keeping ‘no deal’ on the table and Corbyn refuses to back a second referendum it will get very interesting, very soon.
Even Tom Watson is very close to leaving, as are four Tory ministers. This could start an avalanche from the right of Labour and the left of the Tories.
Plenty of big businesses waiting to back this if momentum (small m) develops. |  | | |
| Independent MPs? on 13:00 - Feb 19 with 3983 views | LeonWasGod |
As Loh says you need that common direction. This new group do have a decent set of values and a common view on public services and a similar economic outlook, so it might be possible to put the core of a manifesto together and then allow local representatives to add to it according to their local needs. I wouldn't rule it out, but there'd be quite a few hurdles to overcome. And ultimately you may end up with something that's a party in all but name, with all the same problems around agreeing a consensus.
There should be more room for local issues though - we are voting for an individual to represent our constituency after all, but that's got lost in identity politics. |  | | |
| Independent MPs? on 13:02 - Feb 19 with 3978 views | Lohengrin |
| Independent MPs? on 12:46 - Feb 19 by WarwickHunt |
The ERG tail is wagging the Tory dog and Labour is in the grip of Momentum and Unite, and will be for the foreseeable future making “change from within” virtually impossible.
Anti-Brexit Tories and centrist Labour MPs are facing deselection threats. They may well jump before they’re pushed.
A genuine centre party could potentially ‘do a Macron’. If May persists with keeping ‘no deal’ on the table and Corbyn refuses to back a second referendum it will get very interesting, very soon.
Even Tom Watson is very close to leaving, as are four Tory ministers. This could start an avalanche from the right of Labour and the left of the Tories.
Plenty of big businesses waiting to back this if momentum (small m) develops. |
”Plenty of big businesses waiting to back this if momentum (small m) develops.”
I’m sure you’re right. Finance is almost certainly looking for a new Newton’s Cradle as the controlling wires on the old become less and less taut. “Doing a Macron” though? There are scenes being played out on the streets of France’s major cities not seen since 1936. | |
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| Independent MPs? on 13:05 - Feb 19 with 3975 views | waynekerr55 |
I think this has done one thing, which has exposed the "if you leave us you ensure a Tory government" nonsense.
The two groups are shît, if their main argument is "stop the Tory Party" then we are truly fùcked. It is the most damning indictment of Uncle Jez that he's 4/1 in a two horse race against the wooden horse May! [Post edited 19 Feb 2019 13:24]
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| Independent MPs? on 13:17 - Feb 19 with 3949 views | WarwickHunt |
| Independent MPs? on 13:05 - Feb 19 by waynekerr55 |
I think this has done one thing, which has exposed the "if you leave us you ensure a Tory government" nonsense.
The two groups are shît, if their main argument is "stop the Tory Party" then we are truly fùcked. It is the most damning indictment of Uncle Jez that he's 4/1 in a two horse race against the wooden horse May! [Post edited 19 Feb 2019 13:24]
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If those two were horses they’d be glue by now. | | | |
| Independent MPs? on 13:20 - Feb 19 with 3945 views | Lohengrin |
| Independent MPs? on 13:17 - Feb 19 by WarwickHunt |
If those two were horses they’d be glue by now. |
Well, one of them has the teeth for it and I wouldn’t be too surprised to learn the other shits in the street.  | |
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| Independent MPs? on 13:24 - Feb 19 with 3940 views | waynekerr55 |
| Independent MPs? on 13:17 - Feb 19 by WarwickHunt |
If those two were horses they’d be glue by now. |
I wouldn't even give them that credit, the pair of useless cúnts that they are | |
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| Independent MPs? on 13:26 - Feb 19 with 3937 views | WarwickHunt |
| Independent MPs? on 13:02 - Feb 19 by Lohengrin |
”Plenty of big businesses waiting to back this if momentum (small m) develops.”
I’m sure you’re right. Finance is almost certainly looking for a new Newton’s Cradle as the controlling wires on the old become less and less taut. “Doing a Macron” though? There are scenes being played out on the streets of France’s major cities not seen since 1936. |
Doing a Macron - as in starting a progressive centrist movement and getting elected.
Most businesses, large and small, just want a pro-Europe, pro-business government. | | | |
| Independent MPs? on 13:29 - Feb 19 with 3931 views | Joe_bradshaw |
| Independent MPs? on 13:20 - Feb 19 by Lohengrin |
Well, one of them has the teeth for it and I wouldn’t be too surprised to learn the other shits in the street. |
You made that up on the hoof I suspect. |  |
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| Independent MPs? on 13:35 - Feb 19 with 3930 views | Pegojack |
| Independent MPs? on 13:26 - Feb 19 by WarwickHunt |
Doing a Macron - as in starting a progressive centrist movement and getting elected.
Most businesses, large and small, just want a pro-Europe, pro-business government. |
I'd vote for that!
Oops, sorry, I can't......
Politics across Europe, including Britain, is in a right state at the moment. Here in Spain, the socialist Spanish government has just been forced to call a General Election for April, because of withdrawal of support from the Catalan separatists for their proposed budget. God knows what will happen, there's a nasty extreme right wing party on the up here called Vox. One thing's for sure, the new government will be a coalition, it's just a matter of who can garner the most support in parliament after the vote, the right or the left. |  | | |
| Independent MPs? on 13:42 - Feb 19 with 3916 views | Lohengrin |
| Independent MPs? on 13:29 - Feb 19 by Joe_bradshaw |
You made that up on the hoof I suspect. |
I’m bridling at the suggestion... | |
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| Independent MPs? on 13:58 - Feb 19 with 3893 views | WarwickHunt |
Both of them appear to have refused at the Brexit hurdle.
Maybot keeps trying but just won't jump; Uncle Jezza , despite wearing blinkers, won't even look at it and shies away, whinnying.
Meanwhile Umunna is coming up on the stand side... | | | |
| Independent MPs? on 14:17 - Feb 19 with 3880 views | Lohengrin |
| Independent MPs? on 13:26 - Feb 19 by WarwickHunt |
Doing a Macron - as in starting a progressive centrist movement and getting elected.
Most businesses, large and small, just want a pro-Europe, pro-business government. |
The problem I have, with Macron especially, is that when you start to unpack what he means when he uses terms like ‘progressive’ is that the reality bears no relation to common conception. It looks an awful lot like managing public decline for private profit.
Another thing I have a problem with is accepting that being pro-Europe and pro-EU (as currently constituted) is coterminous. Or, for that matter, there is much of a confluence of vision or goals between ‘business’ and upper case ‘Big Business.’
I’ve probably been around long enough to have read too much and been disappointed too often. | |
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| Independent MPs? on 14:38 - Feb 19 with 3858 views | oh_tommy_tommy |
Ah the Tory lite .The magnificent 7 giants of the political spectrum.
Backed by secret millionaires and led by Chuckling Chukka the very man that labelled working class as “Trash “
Great first interview by one , I forget her name now ,talking about black people and people of a “funny tinge “ live on the BBC ,by no means a great feat .
Good luck to them and their merry band .
There will be No by elections they muttered .
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| Independent MPs? on 14:45 - Feb 19 with 3843 views | Highjack |
| Independent MPs? on 12:27 - Feb 19 by Lohengrin |
Lone voices are all very well but if you want to achieve anything in politics you have to have the apparatus, the machinery with which to effect change. It’s as simple as that.
For what it’s worth though I think personally that the days of ‘Parties, ’ denotive as they are of sectional, sectarian interest, have had their day across Europe and are set to be swept away by broad-based National ‘Movements.’ It’s already starting, you’re witnessing the beginning right now. The May elections are going to deliver a thunderclap. |
One thing they will have in abundance is funding |  |
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| Independent MPs? on 14:56 - Feb 19 with 3829 views | Ebo |
| Independent MPs? on 12:27 - Feb 19 by Lohengrin |
Lone voices are all very well but if you want to achieve anything in politics you have to have the apparatus, the machinery with which to effect change. It’s as simple as that.
For what it’s worth though I think personally that the days of ‘Parties, ’ denotive as they are of sectional, sectarian interest, have had their day across Europe and are set to be swept away by broad-based National ‘Movements.’ It’s already starting, you’re witnessing the beginning right now. The May elections are going to deliver a thunderclap. |
These 'yellow vested heroes' you are championing are no more different to the antifa that you are mostly condescending towards though Loh. Didn't take off in this country (apart from a few loudmouth Tommy types outside Parliament).
Nationalism? Not in my name. |  |
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| Independent MPs? on 15:10 - Feb 19 with 3813 views | PapaLazarou |
| Independent MPs? on 14:45 - Feb 19 by Highjack |
One thing they will have in abundance is funding |
Especially noteworthy as they "aren't a political party", and therefore don't have to disclose who their donors are. |  | | |
| Independent MPs? on 15:13 - Feb 19 with 3805 views | WarwickHunt |
| Independent MPs? on 14:38 - Feb 19 by oh_tommy_tommy |
Ah the Tory lite .The magnificent 7 giants of the political spectrum.
Backed by secret millionaires and led by Chuckling Chukka the very man that labelled working class as “Trash “
Great first interview by one , I forget her name now ,talking about black people and people of a “funny tinge “ live on the BBC ,by no means a great feat .
Good luck to them and their merry band .
There will be No by elections they muttered .
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Exactly the blinkered nonsense that will keep Labour out of power for another generation and see more defections, including its deputy leader Tom Watson...
Meanwhile - Derek Hatton's back in the party.
Keep it up, Wolfie, the revolution is just around the corner... | | | |
| Independent MPs? on 15:20 - Feb 19 with 3799 views | dickythorpe |
| Independent MPs? on 13:42 - Feb 19 by Lohengrin |
I’m bridling at the suggestion... |
Great canter on here at times, what does the gallop poll say? [Post edited 19 Feb 2019 15:20]
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| Independent MPs? on 15:22 - Feb 19 with 3787 views | Lohengrin |
| Independent MPs? on 14:56 - Feb 19 by Ebo |
These 'yellow vested heroes' you are championing are no more different to the antifa that you are mostly condescending towards though Loh. Didn't take off in this country (apart from a few loudmouth Tommy types outside Parliament).
Nationalism? Not in my name. |
I’m not championing the incoherent rage so much as recognising the cause and waiting patiently for the energy to be harnessed and properly focused.
Whatever faults they may have the Gilets Jaunes are nothing like Antifa. Can you imagine them halting a protest to pay homage to the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier at the Arc de Triomphe? With the best will in the world nobody could.
This is the working man, la France eternelle, waking up.
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| Independent MPs? on 15:22 - Feb 19 with 3784 views | Highjack |
| Independent MPs? on 15:10 - Feb 19 by PapaLazarou |
Especially noteworthy as they "aren't a political party", and therefore don't have to disclose who their donors are. |
Rather convenient innit? | |
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| Independent MPs? on 15:28 - Feb 19 with 3779 views | Lohengrin |
| Independent MPs? on 15:13 - Feb 19 by WarwickHunt |
Exactly the blinkered nonsense that will keep Labour out of power for another generation and see more defections, including its deputy leader Tom Watson...
Meanwhile - Derek Hatton's back in the party.
Keep it up, Wolfie, the revolution is just around the corner... |
The Redgraves will be rocking up momentarily, mate.
If Labour are going crazy why not go balls-out? Isadora in Islington has quite a ring to it... | |
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| Independent MPs? on 15:34 - Feb 19 with 3777 views | Lohengrin |
| Independent MPs? on 15:22 - Feb 19 by Highjack |
Rather convenient innit? |
Almost as if they are charting a course set by an old, malignant form of hypnosis... 
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