| Independent MPs? 12:08 - Feb 19 with 13291 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
Does this provide a way forward? We'd have to select people based on who they are, what they have achieved and what they believe in rather than the stale two party model.
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| Independent MPs? on 16:12 - Feb 19 with 1541 views | oh_tommy_tommy |
| Independent MPs? on 15:34 - Feb 19 by Lohengrin |
Almost as if they are charting a course set by an old, malignant form of hypnosis... 
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Another more of the same party ,the centrists a place of balance and wisdom as long as there’s money in it . |  |
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| Independent MPs? on 16:14 - Feb 19 with 1539 views | oh_tommy_tommy |
| Independent MPs? on 15:22 - Feb 19 by Lohengrin |
I’m not championing the incoherent rage so much as recognising the cause and waiting patiently for the energy to be harnessed and properly focused.
Whatever faults they may have the Gilets Jaunes are nothing like Antifa. Can you imagine them halting a protest to pay homage to the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier at the Arc de Triomphe? With the best will in the world nobody could.
This is the working man, la France eternelle, waking up.
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Elequently put to be fair Loh
They’ve had enough of this false Macron . | |
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| Independent MPs? on 16:17 - Feb 19 with 1532 views | Lohengrin |
| Independent MPs? on 16:12 - Feb 19 by oh_tommy_tommy |
Another more of the same party ,the centrists a place of balance and wisdom as long as there’s money in it . |
”...as it was in the beginning is now and ever shall be, world without end.”
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| Independent MPs? on 16:21 - Feb 19 with 1528 views | oh_tommy_tommy |
| Independent MPs? on 15:13 - Feb 19 by WarwickHunt |
Exactly the blinkered nonsense that will keep Labour out of power for another generation and see more defections, including its deputy leader Tom Watson...
Meanwhile - Derek Hatton's back in the party.
Keep it up, Wolfie, the revolution is just around the corner... |
Ah Thomas Watson friend an allie to Max Mosley
As long as there is £500,000 involved
You are right he could well go , he can smell it a Mile away | |
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| Independent MPs? on 16:26 - Feb 19 with 1510 views | WarwickHunt |
| Independent MPs? on 16:21 - Feb 19 by oh_tommy_tommy |
Ah Thomas Watson friend an allie to Max Mosley
As long as there is £500,000 involved
You are right he could well go , he can smell it a Mile away |
You're almost there, Wolfie.
One last push...  |  | | |
| Independent MPs? on 16:34 - Feb 19 with 1497 views | WarwickHunt |
| Independent MPs? on 15:22 - Feb 19 by Highjack |
Rather convenient innit? |
Not really. Once they declare themselves a party all the usual rules will apply. If/when they reach 36 MPs (which will probably be very soon - 3 Tories are rumoured to leave "imminently") they'll become the third largest party in the Commons and things will get serious.
Not much use to anyone if it remains at seven. Still, crack on.. [Post edited 19 Feb 2019 16:44]
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| Independent MPs? on 16:43 - Feb 19 with 1475 views | Highjack |
| Independent MPs? on 16:34 - Feb 19 by WarwickHunt |
Not really. Once they declare themselves a party all the usual rules will apply. If/when they reach 36 MPs (which will probably be very soon - 3 Tories are rumoured to leave "imminently") they'll become the third largest party in the Commons and things will get serious.
Not much use to anyone if it remains at seven. Still, crack on.. [Post edited 19 Feb 2019 16:44]
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In the event of a by election or general election they will have sufficient funding from Open Britain to take on the financial might of the Labour Party that an independent MP wouldn’t usually have. |  |
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| Independent MPs? on 16:48 - Feb 19 with 1476 views | WarwickHunt |
| Independent MPs? on 16:43 - Feb 19 by Highjack |
In the event of a by election or general election they will have sufficient funding from Open Britain to take on the financial might of the Labour Party that an independent MP wouldn’t usually have. |
A by-election, yes. A GE, probably not - unless their number remains at seven, in which case it would be a bit pointless... | | | |
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| Independent MPs? on 17:31 - Feb 19 with 1453 views | waynekerr55 |
| Independent MPs? on 15:13 - Feb 19 by WarwickHunt |
Exactly the blinkered nonsense that will keep Labour out of power for another generation and see more defections, including its deputy leader Tom Watson...
Meanwhile - Derek Hatton's back in the party.
Keep it up, Wolfie, the revolution is just around the corner... |
Ah yes, good old Deggsy and Mad Dog John. Real bastions of the proletariat, hey? |  |
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| Independent MPs? on 18:12 - Feb 19 with 1430 views | rockinjk |
| Independent MPs? on 12:27 - Feb 19 by DwightYorkeSuperstar |
Carolyn Harris must be praying that is not the way forward. |
Swansea East voted leave
She could advocate joining the euro and would still win
That’s the issue we have, plain bloody ignorance and tribalism
I hate the tories but I love supporting the most right wing tories on Brexit
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| Independent MPs? on 18:14 - Feb 19 with 1429 views | rockinjk |
| Independent MPs? on 12:46 - Feb 19 by WarwickHunt |
The ERG tail is wagging the Tory dog and Labour is in the grip of Momentum and Unite, and will be for the foreseeable future making “change from within” virtually impossible.
Anti-Brexit Tories and centrist Labour MPs are facing deselection threats. They may well jump before they’re pushed.
A genuine centre party could potentially ‘do a Macron’. If May persists with keeping ‘no deal’ on the table and Corbyn refuses to back a second referendum it will get very interesting, very soon.
Even Tom Watson is very close to leaving, as are four Tory ministers. This could start an avalanche from the right of Labour and the left of the Tories.
Plenty of big businesses waiting to back this if momentum (small m) develops. |
It would be great, people have had their ‘fun’ it’s time to have a Government and opposition again | | | |
| Independent MPs? on 18:16 - Feb 19 with 1425 views | rockinjk |
| Independent MPs? on 14:38 - Feb 19 by oh_tommy_tommy |
Ah the Tory lite .The magnificent 7 giants of the political spectrum.
Backed by secret millionaires and led by Chuckling Chukka the very man that labelled working class as “Trash “
Great first interview by one , I forget her name now ,talking about black people and people of a “funny tinge “ live on the BBC ,by no means a great feat .
Good luck to them and their merry band .
There will be No by elections they muttered .
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Still keeping the red flag flying high then Tom?
You’ll never win, the tories LOVE Corbyn. But keep dreaming | | | |
| Independent MPs? on 18:18 - Feb 19 with 1415 views | Highjack |
| Independent MPs? on 18:12 - Feb 19 by rockinjk |
Swansea East voted leave
She could advocate joining the euro and would still win
That’s the issue we have, plain bloody ignorance and tribalism
I hate the tories but I love supporting the most right wing tories on Brexit
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They are also supporting the leader of the Labour Party on brexit. | |
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| Independent MPs? on 18:32 - Feb 19 with 1410 views | AnotherJohn |
Desperate to see a "peoples' vote", as long as it isn't in a bye-election. | | | |
| Independent MPs? on 18:47 - Feb 19 with 1402 views | rockinjk |
| Independent MPs? on 18:18 - Feb 19 by Highjack |
They are also supporting the leader of the Labour Party on brexit. |
True. He is a Brexit supporter but labour overall is remain bar the left wing loonies [Post edited 19 Feb 2019 19:06]
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| Independent MPs? on 18:47 - Feb 19 with 1393 views | Highjack |
| Independent MPs? on 18:32 - Feb 19 by AnotherJohn |
Desperate to see a "peoples' vote", as long as it isn't in a bye-election. |
Ha! Very good point. | |
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| Independent MPs? on 20:03 - Feb 19 with 1378 views | LeonWasGod |
| Independent MPs? on 18:32 - Feb 19 by AnotherJohn |
Desperate to see a "peoples' vote", as long as it isn't in a bye-election. |
Which is a bit of a surprise considering 5 are from staunch remain constituencies. When Carswell crossed the floor from Tory to UKIP he had no problem taking his gammons and gammonettes with him. Are Labour voters likely to be more loyal and not move parties on the Brexit issue alone? |  | | |
| Independent MPs? on 20:10 - Feb 19 with 1367 views | oh_tommy_tommy |
| Independent MPs? on 20:03 - Feb 19 by LeonWasGod |
Which is a bit of a surprise considering 5 are from staunch remain constituencies. When Carswell crossed the floor from Tory to UKIP he had no problem taking his gammons and gammonettes with him. Are Labour voters likely to be more loyal and not move parties on the Brexit issue alone? |
They’d have called it if they were confident of winning.
They’ll move to marginal seats most probably. | |
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| Independent MPs? on 21:18 - Feb 19 with 1329 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Independent MPs? on 12:27 - Feb 19 by Lohengrin |
Lone voices are all very well but if you want to achieve anything in politics you have to have the apparatus, the machinery with which to effect change. It’s as simple as that.
For what it’s worth though I think personally that the days of ‘Parties, ’ denotive as they are of sectional, sectarian interest, have had their day across Europe and are set to be swept away by broad-based National ‘Movements.’ It’s already starting, you’re witnessing the beginning right now. The May elections are going to deliver a thunderclap. |
Welsh patriots should vote Plaid.
The UK is dead. |  |
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| Independent MPs? on 21:35 - Feb 19 with 1314 views | Lohengrin |
| Independent MPs? on 21:18 - Feb 19 by Kilkennyjack |
Welsh patriots should vote Plaid.
The UK is dead. |
A Welsh patriot wouldn’t trust Helen Mary Jones to feed their cat if they went away for a week let alone govern their affairs. | |
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| Independent MPs? on 22:20 - Feb 19 with 1283 views | majorraglan |
Joan Ryan’s just bailed out of Labour so now it’s up to 8. | | | |
| Independent MPs? on 22:35 - Feb 19 with 1275 views | Lohengrin |
| Independent MPs? on 22:20 - Feb 19 by majorraglan |
Joan Ryan’s just bailed out of Labour so now it’s up to 8. |
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| Independent MPs? on 22:42 - Feb 19 with 1264 views | rockinjk |
| Independent MPs? on 22:20 - Feb 19 by majorraglan |
Joan Ryan’s just bailed out of Labour so now it’s up to 8. |
Rumours several tories going possibly tomorrow | | | |
| Independent MPs? on 22:49 - Feb 19 with 1249 views | oh_tommy_tommy |
Au revoir Joan of Arce. | |
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| Independent MPs? on 23:21 - Feb 19 with 1226 views | WarwickHunt |
| Independent MPs? on 22:42 - Feb 19 by rockinjk |
Rumours several tories going possibly tomorrow |
Three - Sarah Wollaston, Anna Soubry and Heidi Allen.
Possibly two more including a minister... | | | |
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