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Opinions on Trevor Birch 18:29 - Mar 11 with 4682 viewsSTID2017

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/expert-views-trevor-b
As a club we are in a terrible financial mess IMHO and it seems like Trevor Birch may be what we need

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Opinions on Trevor Birch on 19:03 - Mar 11 with 2220 viewsjack2jack

So if this guy comes in confirmation ,not that any was needed, that the club is in the sh!t, right up to its neck, so what are the options open to him.
Let's see, to cut wages, for playing staff etc.This clubs main aim is to play football and be competitive, we have already cut our cloth massively, with a few exceptions that we need to cleared off the books, it seems to me that we will need to offload, some of our most valuable assets even further, the likes of Fer and James to name just a few. Can someone explain how the heck, we are going to be competitive on the field with a team consisting of under 23s and lower league bargains.
This guy needs to be some kind of bloody genius, to get this little lot sorted.
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Opinions on Trevor Birch on 19:12 - Mar 11 with 2192 viewsLoyal

Thing is nobody knows if there is a mess or not because the people who blagged the sale of the club Inc the Americans are about as transparent as fcking black paint.

I refuse to believe these cnts until they show some honesty.

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Opinions on Trevor Birch on 19:14 - Mar 11 with 2186 viewsFlashberryjack

Opinions on Trevor Birch on 19:03 - Mar 11 by jack2jack

So if this guy comes in confirmation ,not that any was needed, that the club is in the sh!t, right up to its neck, so what are the options open to him.
Let's see, to cut wages, for playing staff etc.This clubs main aim is to play football and be competitive, we have already cut our cloth massively, with a few exceptions that we need to cleared off the books, it seems to me that we will need to offload, some of our most valuable assets even further, the likes of Fer and James to name just a few. Can someone explain how the heck, we are going to be competitive on the field with a team consisting of under 23s and lower league bargains.
This guy needs to be some kind of bloody genius, to get this little lot sorted.


He's come in with one aim only, and that is to sell as many of our assets as possible whilst cutting running costs right to the bone, irrespective of what damage will be done to the clubs long and short term future.
He's here for the short haul, that's for sure.
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Opinions on Trevor Birch on 19:29 - Mar 11 with 2135 viewsjack2jack

Opinions on Trevor Birch on 19:14 - Mar 11 by Flashberryjack

He's come in with one aim only, and that is to sell as many of our assets as possible whilst cutting running costs right to the bone, irrespective of what damage will be done to the clubs long and short term future.
He's here for the short haul, that's for sure.


Yep and that worries me the most, what a fvcking mess.
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Opinions on Trevor Birch on 19:32 - Mar 11 with 2125 viewsjasper_T

Opinions on Trevor Birch on 19:03 - Mar 11 by jack2jack

So if this guy comes in confirmation ,not that any was needed, that the club is in the sh!t, right up to its neck, so what are the options open to him.
Let's see, to cut wages, for playing staff etc.This clubs main aim is to play football and be competitive, we have already cut our cloth massively, with a few exceptions that we need to cleared off the books, it seems to me that we will need to offload, some of our most valuable assets even further, the likes of Fer and James to name just a few. Can someone explain how the heck, we are going to be competitive on the field with a team consisting of under 23s and lower league bargains.
This guy needs to be some kind of bloody genius, to get this little lot sorted.


How did we get promoted last time?
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Opinions on Trevor Birch on 19:33 - Mar 11 with 2117 viewsjack2jack

Opinions on Trevor Birch on 19:12 - Mar 11 by Loyal

Thing is nobody knows if there is a mess or not because the people who blagged the sale of the club Inc the Americans are about as transparent as fcking black paint.

I refuse to believe these cnts until they show some honesty.


Thing is Loyal, if these rumours are true and this fella is appointed, he's a firefighter and that can only mean one thing, were in a mess, a big one, so he needs to be good at his job, very good.
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Opinions on Trevor Birch on 19:34 - Mar 11 with 2114 viewsWingstandwood

I get an inkling that the club is soon to be Birched!

I get a vibe that this guy is gonna be nothing more than a financial/football equivalent of (pit closing) Ian MacGregor whom was brought in to do the dirty work of others i.e. to close, to cut and to make redundant.

It'll be spun that he's some kind of troubleshooting 'Red Adair' tough-medicine and tough-love specialist doing extremely unpopular things that are for the clubs long term interest(s). And because of his genuine football credentials (as opposed to Jenkins roofing tile/Upvc downpipe background) a more credible and useful PR tool.
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Opinions on Trevor Birch on 19:40 - Mar 11 with 2082 viewsLuther27

Ffs....let's just see IF he gets in...then see the Financial report...then we can argue about what needs doing. Gets me fkng wound up when every ones a doom and gloom merchant based on Chinese whispers ffs.
No offence meant to the Chinese btw.
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Opinions on Trevor Birch on 19:43 - Mar 11 with 2073 viewsjack2jack

Opinions on Trevor Birch on 19:32 - Mar 11 by jasper_T

How did we get promoted last time?


Correct me if im wrong, but we weren't in this financial mess last time out.
Football has moved on since then.
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Opinions on Trevor Birch on 19:44 - Mar 11 with 2069 viewsLeonWasGod

Opinions on Trevor Birch on 19:32 - Mar 11 by jasper_T

How did we get promoted last time?


Not by selling key players, we kept the core together. Now, maybe that can happen again but we'll have to wait and see.

Things have changed since last time. The top of the league has got a lot richer, and whilst there's always a chance someone can buck the trend of spending our way out to promotion it's much harder to do so now.

This is what we're up against:


Nobody wants to see us incur debt and become a basket case, but at the same time we have to be realistic that clubs who don't run at a loss don't do very well, unless they have a very productive production line of kids they can sell for significant amounts each season.

If we're going to be run cost neutral, our expectations need to change. That tactic is likely to put us at risk of relegation more than promotion. Or to put it another way, this league appears to be too expensive for the Yanks.
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Opinions on Trevor Birch on 19:47 - Mar 11 with 2054 viewsLuther27

Opinions on Trevor Birch on 19:44 - Mar 11 by LeonWasGod

Not by selling key players, we kept the core together. Now, maybe that can happen again but we'll have to wait and see.

Things have changed since last time. The top of the league has got a lot richer, and whilst there's always a chance someone can buck the trend of spending our way out to promotion it's much harder to do so now.

This is what we're up against:


Nobody wants to see us incur debt and become a basket case, but at the same time we have to be realistic that clubs who don't run at a loss don't do very well, unless they have a very productive production line of kids they can sell for significant amounts each season.

If we're going to be run cost neutral, our expectations need to change. That tactic is likely to put us at risk of relegation more than promotion. Or to put it another way, this league appears to be too expensive for the Yanks.


The Premiership isn't exactly cheap either. I had a rant about this on another post
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Opinions on Trevor Birch on 19:48 - Mar 11 with 2048 viewsraynor94

Opinions on Trevor Birch on 19:40 - Mar 11 by Luther27

Ffs....let's just see IF he gets in...then see the Financial report...then we can argue about what needs doing. Gets me fkng wound up when every ones a doom and gloom merchant based on Chinese whispers ffs.
No offence meant to the Chinese btw.


Great post, at least let's wait until we know something concrete

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Opinions on Trevor Birch on 19:52 - Mar 11 with 2035 viewsLeonWasGod

Opinions on Trevor Birch on 19:43 - Mar 11 by jack2jack

Correct me if im wrong, but we weren't in this financial mess last time out.
Football has moved on since then.


Yep. And we weren't having to adjust to a period of mismanagement with PL costs either. Quite the opposite; the rapid rise must have meant costs were trailing performance rather than the opposite that we have now. With our current model we can't start to see the wood for the trees until all the PL costs have gone. Up to that point it's inevitable that we'll be haemorrhaging money. The trouble is we'll need to haemorrhage money beyond that point to be competitive, but the owners won't want to do that.

We're probably not in a mess relatively for this league. The issue seems to be we're just too expensive for the hedge fund (a point I'll keep repeating until such time there's any evidence we can compete financially).
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Opinions on Trevor Birch on 19:54 - Mar 11 with 2031 viewsLeonWasGod

Opinions on Trevor Birch on 19:47 - Mar 11 by Luther27

The Premiership isn't exactly cheap either. I had a rant about this on another post


It's not. From what I've seen the financial challenge is a lot tougher in this league though. Far more clubs run at a profit in the PL, for example,
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Opinions on Trevor Birch on 19:59 - Mar 11 with 2007 viewsFlashberryjack

Opinions on Trevor Birch on 19:48 - Mar 11 by raynor94

Great post, at least let's wait until we know something concrete


Wait ? we can't do anything but wait, oh! and have a good old moan on here, if that's ok with you.
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Opinions on Trevor Birch on 20:02 - Mar 11 with 1995 viewsLuther27

Opinions on Trevor Birch on 19:59 - Mar 11 by Flashberryjack

Wait ? we can't do anything but wait, oh! and have a good old moan on here, if that's ok with you.


Every one is entitled to an opinion...even if it's a happy one.
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Opinions on Trevor Birch on 20:03 - Mar 11 with 1986 viewsLeonWasGod

Opinions on Trevor Birch on 19:40 - Mar 11 by Luther27

Ffs....let's just see IF he gets in...then see the Financial report...then we can argue about what needs doing. Gets me fkng wound up when every ones a doom and gloom merchant based on Chinese whispers ffs.
No offence meant to the Chinese btw.


It's a shame the accounts are released about 9 months after the period they represent. We'll be in the dark guessing about this season for at least another year.
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Opinions on Trevor Birch on 20:13 - Mar 11 with 1945 viewsLuther27

I'm pretty sure there are more than enough know it alls on here who will get it to the nearest 10p lol
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Opinions on Trevor Birch on 20:23 - Mar 11 with 1918 viewsswancity

Vastly experienced, he will no doubt be cutting costs from day one with an objective of balancing the books and we all know what means. Expect another cull from the first team squad with the big earners on their way. That in some cases will mean the certain loss of our best players incl James Fer Van Der Hoorn but also high earners like Routledge Dyer McBurnie and the sale of the players out on loan at present.

But it's not all doom and gloom. You can still use a card to make a purchase in the Club shop without 'Caseys Roofing' appearing on your bank statement. That I'm assured by the way was a legal way of transacting a sale... πŸ‘πŸ»

God it's fascinating stuff. You could make a film out of it all. πŸ˜‚

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Opinions on Trevor Birch on 20:29 - Mar 11 with 1898 viewsjack2jack

Opinions on Trevor Birch on 19:40 - Mar 11 by Luther27

Ffs....let's just see IF he gets in...then see the Financial report...then we can argue about what needs doing. Gets me fkng wound up when every ones a doom and gloom merchant based on Chinese whispers ffs.
No offence meant to the Chinese btw.


Just chatting, like you would to your mates in work or in the pub, that's all.πŸ‘
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Opinions on Trevor Birch on 20:36 - Mar 11 with 1876 viewspencoedjack

Opinions on Trevor Birch on 20:23 - Mar 11 by swancity

Vastly experienced, he will no doubt be cutting costs from day one with an objective of balancing the books and we all know what means. Expect another cull from the first team squad with the big earners on their way. That in some cases will mean the certain loss of our best players incl James Fer Van Der Hoorn but also high earners like Routledge Dyer McBurnie and the sale of the players out on loan at present.

But it's not all doom and gloom. You can still use a card to make a purchase in the Club shop without 'Caseys Roofing' appearing on your bank statement. That I'm assured by the way was a legal way of transacting a sale... πŸ‘πŸ»

God it's fascinating stuff. You could make a film out of it all. πŸ˜‚


Fer & VDH are out of contract & no way be they will be offered decent enough contracts to stay

Be surprised if anyone pays Routs/Dyer the same wage they are on with us so they will both be here next season

I agree about James & Oli both saleable & be gone next season
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Opinions on Trevor Birch on 20:38 - Mar 11 with 1870 viewsjack2jack

Opinions on Trevor Birch on 19:52 - Mar 11 by LeonWasGod

Yep. And we weren't having to adjust to a period of mismanagement with PL costs either. Quite the opposite; the rapid rise must have meant costs were trailing performance rather than the opposite that we have now. With our current model we can't start to see the wood for the trees until all the PL costs have gone. Up to that point it's inevitable that we'll be haemorrhaging money. The trouble is we'll need to haemorrhage money beyond that point to be competitive, but the owners won't want to do that.

We're probably not in a mess relatively for this league. The issue seems to be we're just too expensive for the hedge fund (a point I'll keep repeating until such time there's any evidence we can compete financially).


Agreed, and I'm no expert obviously just a dumb punter, but there is a huge difference in models between running a PL club and an EFL club, trouble is I suppose it that we are in transition, and things have to change, but we've brought a massive cluster fvck with us, so it's not going to be easy, having said that we are a football club, and we have to be competitive to stay in this league, otherwise it's down the plug we go. Not going to be easy, good luck Mr Birch.
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Opinions on Trevor Birch on 20:38 - Mar 11 with 1869 viewsjasper_T

Opinions on Trevor Birch on 20:36 - Mar 11 by pencoedjack

Fer & VDH are out of contract & no way be they will be offered decent enough contracts to stay

Be surprised if anyone pays Routs/Dyer the same wage they are on with us so they will both be here next season

I agree about James & Oli both saleable & be gone next season


Potter and vdH have both confirmed he has an extension clause available if we want to exercise it. So he's not going to be a free agent.

Routledge is also out of contract.
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Opinions on Trevor Birch on 20:46 - Mar 11 with 1839 viewspencoedjack

Opinions on Trevor Birch on 20:38 - Mar 11 by jasper_T

Potter and vdH have both confirmed he has an extension clause available if we want to exercise it. So he's not going to be a free agent.

Routledge is also out of contract.


Good news
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Opinions on Trevor Birch on 21:06 - Mar 11 with 1737 viewslonglostjack

Opinions on Trevor Birch on 19:14 - Mar 11 by Flashberryjack

He's come in with one aim only, and that is to sell as many of our assets as possible whilst cutting running costs right to the bone, irrespective of what damage will be done to the clubs long and short term future.
He's here for the short haul, that's for sure.


You’re probably right Flash. The romantic in me clings to the belief that despite being a Fellow of the Institute of Bean Counters his footballing background will allow him to see beyond current market value when it comes to valuing our talent pool.

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