| Welsh independence march in caerdydd 17:43 - May 11 with 14010 views | CwmafanJack |
Upwards of 2,000 turned up for the first march in support of independence. Not a bad start. Was great to see so many welsh and owain glyndwr flags in our capital. |  |
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| Welsh independence march in caerdydd on 10:40 - May 14 with 1558 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Welsh independence march in caerdydd on 09:15 - May 12 by sherpajacob |
Recently visited Slovenia.
A small country, with beautiful scenery, an abundance of fresh water, traditionally strong agriculture sector, all the women were gorgeous.
They seemed to be doing very well for themselves and are very happy as an independent sovereign nation within the EU. |
That is because Slovenia gets twice as much from the EU as it pays in membership fees and taxes. | |
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| Welsh independence march in caerdydd on 10:44 - May 14 with 1550 views | LeonWasGod |
| Welsh independence march in caerdydd on 09:15 - May 12 by sherpajacob |
Recently visited Slovenia.
A small country, with beautiful scenery, an abundance of fresh water, traditionally strong agriculture sector, all the women were gorgeous.
They seemed to be doing very well for themselves and are very happy as an independent sovereign nation within the EU. |
Missed this. We're off there for our summer holiday this year. Can't wait - the place looks fantastic. |  | | |
| Welsh independence march in caerdydd on 10:50 - May 14 with 1536 views | johnlangy |
| Welsh independence march in caerdydd on 11:42 - May 12 by valleyboy |
According to the Police. The crowd was estimated between 1000 and 1500
What a surprise that you say it was between 2500 and 3500
Perhaps you need to learn how to count like so many of the people living in Wales |
Ahhhh, valleyboy again, the one who never answers questions putting valid points forward against what he says.
Re the numbers on the march, I can't state categorically what the numbers were. But when you're in the middle of a march where you're walking along a road with the march maybe 15 people wide and you can't see the walkers at the front or the back that translates into a large number, certainly far more, probably double, the 1500 max the police estimated.
But of course you were there valleyboy weren't you. And you counted them so you'd obviously know. | | | |
| Welsh independence march in caerdydd on 11:56 - May 14 with 1504 views | bluey_the_blue |
| Welsh independence march in caerdydd on 10:50 - May 14 by johnlangy |
Ahhhh, valleyboy again, the one who never answers questions putting valid points forward against what he says.
Re the numbers on the march, I can't state categorically what the numbers were. But when you're in the middle of a march where you're walking along a road with the march maybe 15 people wide and you can't see the walkers at the front or the back that translates into a large number, certainly far more, probably double, the 1500 max the police estimated.
But of course you were there valleyboy weren't you. And you counted them so you'd obviously know. |
Ah yes, the police who are responsible for law and order naturally downplay the actual numbers there because of their political agenda or something. | | | |
| Welsh independence march in caerdydd on 12:25 - May 14 with 1492 views | Morfa_Same |
| Welsh independence march in caerdydd on 00:30 - May 14 by Highjack |
Your argument for an independent wales is exactly the same as a brexiteers argument for a U.K. outside the EU. Self determination.
If the time comes in the future for a welsh independence referendum you can guarantee they’ll be chucking the same old economy will crash it’s a vote to make yourself poorer bullshyt at you. |
I don't think Welsh independence has anything to do with self determination, and has nothing at all in common with Brexit.
It's about leaving one union for another. Leaving a union that has never benefitted us in the slightest to join a union where smaller nations are treated as equals, and given the support and funding they need to develop their economies.
EU membership is critical for Welsh independence. We stand no chance standing alone, but being an independent nation in the EU would benefit us enormously. |  | | |
| Welsh independence march in caerdydd on 12:35 - May 14 with 1488 views | bluey_the_blue |
| Welsh independence march in caerdydd on 12:25 - May 14 by Morfa_Same |
I don't think Welsh independence has anything to do with self determination, and has nothing at all in common with Brexit.
It's about leaving one union for another. Leaving a union that has never benefitted us in the slightest to join a union where smaller nations are treated as equals, and given the support and funding they need to develop their economies.
EU membership is critical for Welsh independence. We stand no chance standing alone, but being an independent nation in the EU would benefit us enormously. |
Arf arf.
UK is a net contributor. Any Eu funds coming into Wales are thus effectively UK funds.
You also assume EU would want Wales as a nation. Germany citizens aren't going to be happy having to stump up more cash to subsidise yet another nation. | | | |
| Welsh independence march in caerdydd on 13:39 - May 14 with 1460 views | sg1912 |
| Welsh independence march in caerdydd on 12:25 - May 14 by Morfa_Same |
I don't think Welsh independence has anything to do with self determination, and has nothing at all in common with Brexit.
It's about leaving one union for another. Leaving a union that has never benefitted us in the slightest to join a union where smaller nations are treated as equals, and given the support and funding they need to develop their economies.
EU membership is critical for Welsh independence. We stand no chance standing alone, but being an independent nation in the EU would benefit us enormously. |
An independent nation that relies on a political entity to subsidise it’s economy?
What if France, Germany and England left the EU..
Would you still think it was a good idea? | | | |
| Welsh independence march in caerdydd on 16:05 - May 14 with 1401 views | Highjack |
| Welsh independence march in caerdydd on 12:25 - May 14 by Morfa_Same |
I don't think Welsh independence has anything to do with self determination, and has nothing at all in common with Brexit.
It's about leaving one union for another. Leaving a union that has never benefitted us in the slightest to join a union where smaller nations are treated as equals, and given the support and funding they need to develop their economies.
EU membership is critical for Welsh independence. We stand no chance standing alone, but being an independent nation in the EU would benefit us enormously. |
Why don't we stand a chance standing alone?
Wales is the greatest country in the world. |  |
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| Welsh independence march in caerdydd on 16:44 - May 14 with 1391 views | johnlangy |
| Welsh independence march in caerdydd on 11:56 - May 14 by bluey_the_blue |
Ah yes, the police who are responsible for law and order naturally downplay the actual numbers there because of their political agenda or something. |
Whatever the reason behind what they said you can see from the news that it was a substantial number, far more than 1500.
Just believe your own eyes. That's what I posted. | | | |
| Welsh independence march in caerdydd on 16:48 - May 14 with 1386 views | johnlangy |
| Welsh independence march in caerdydd on 12:35 - May 14 by bluey_the_blue |
Arf arf.
UK is a net contributor. Any Eu funds coming into Wales are thus effectively UK funds.
You also assume EU would want Wales as a nation. Germany citizens aren't going to be happy having to stump up more cash to subsidise yet another nation. |
So when was the last time the Westminster government put billions into developing the economy of West Wales bluey ?
The point you're making, as have many others, assumes Westminster will match EU funding if/when we leave. Don't hold your breath waiting because you really will be bluey by the time it happens .  | | | |
| Welsh independence march in caerdydd on 17:06 - May 14 with 1379 views | bluey_the_blue |
| Welsh independence march in caerdydd on 16:48 - May 14 by johnlangy |
So when was the last time the Westminster government put billions into developing the economy of West Wales bluey ?
The point you're making, as have many others, assumes Westminster will match EU funding if/when we leave. Don't hold your breath waiting because you really will be bluey by the time it happens . |
Not necessarily disagreeing, pointing out this money is effectively UK money.
Any funding going to WAG gets wasted anyway... | | | |
| Welsh independence march in caerdydd on 18:16 - May 14 with 1346 views | sg1912 |
| Welsh independence march in caerdydd on 16:48 - May 14 by johnlangy |
So when was the last time the Westminster government put billions into developing the economy of West Wales bluey ?
The point you're making, as have many others, assumes Westminster will match EU funding if/when we leave. Don't hold your breath waiting because you really will be bluey by the time it happens . |
Seeing as we’re a net contributor to the EU, it’s not beyond the realms of possibility that we will receive more money post Brexit. | | | |
| Welsh independence march in caerdydd on 18:51 - May 14 with 1326 views | johnlangy |
| Welsh independence march in caerdydd on 18:16 - May 14 by sg1912 |
Seeing as we’re a net contributor to the EU, it’s not beyond the realms of possibility that we will receive more money post Brexit. |
Factually correct sg. But based on what's been happening for decades I think you'll be disappointed if you're hoping things will change. | | | |
| Welsh independence march in caerdydd on 19:33 - May 14 with 1314 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Welsh independence march in caerdydd on 18:16 - May 14 by sg1912 |
Seeing as we’re a net contributor to the EU, it’s not beyond the realms of possibility that we will receive more money post Brexit. |
In the real world, Wales got poor cos Westmonster does not give a toss.
The nice European people sent money to help poor Wales.
We tell the nice European people to feck off as per Brexit.
Wales returns to the old UK model that made Wales poor in the first place.
Westmonster will not replace the money for poor Wales from the nice European people.
Why did the EU help Wales ?
Sharing wealth builds new markets and generates new competition and demand.
Its a hand up, not a hand out. |  |
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| Welsh independence march in caerdydd on 20:58 - May 14 with 1295 views | sg1912 |
| Welsh independence march in caerdydd on 19:33 - May 14 by Kilkennyjack |
In the real world, Wales got poor cos Westmonster does not give a toss.
The nice European people sent money to help poor Wales.
We tell the nice European people to feck off as per Brexit.
Wales returns to the old UK model that made Wales poor in the first place.
Westmonster will not replace the money for poor Wales from the nice European people.
Why did the EU help Wales ?
Sharing wealth builds new markets and generates new competition and demand.
Its a hand up, not a hand out. |
Do you understand what a net contributor is?
.. and do you understand 'westmonster' is not a single entity and we can vote parties out if they 'do not give a toss' ? | | | |
| Welsh independence march in caerdydd on 21:23 - May 14 with 1286 views | Groo |
| Welsh independence march in caerdydd on 12:25 - May 14 by Morfa_Same |
I don't think Welsh independence has anything to do with self determination, and has nothing at all in common with Brexit.
It's about leaving one union for another. Leaving a union that has never benefitted us in the slightest to join a union where smaller nations are treated as equals, and given the support and funding they need to develop their economies.
EU membership is critical for Welsh independence. We stand no chance standing alone, but being an independent nation in the EU would benefit us enormously. |
As I stated earlier in the thread.
If Wales became independent tomorrow, they could not simply join the EU the day after tomorrow, not next week and not the week after.
An independent Wales would not simply remain a part of the EU, an independent Wales would have to apply to join the EU. Scotland has the same dilemma. This process could take more than 30 years.
Even then there is no certainty that Wales would be accepted. Spain as a start would opposed to entry as they fear parts of their Country would be looking for independence. |  |
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| Welsh independence march in caerdydd on 22:17 - May 14 with 1268 views | PentyrchJack |
| Welsh independence march in caerdydd on 18:42 - May 11 by dickythorpe |
How will independence be funded? |
It won't, we will all be poor.
It's Plaid Cymru's version of social justice and social equality - just make everyone equally poor (or a sprint race to the bottom). |  |
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| Welsh independence march in caerdydd on 23:04 - May 14 with 1255 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Welsh independence march in caerdydd on 20:58 - May 14 by sg1912 |
Do you understand what a net contributor is?
.. and do you understand 'westmonster' is not a single entity and we can vote parties out if they 'do not give a toss' ? |
I know who chose to make Wales so poor that we qualified for an EU hand up.
What don't you understand ?
Westmonster made London super rich, and Wales super poor.
Biggest inequality in Europe.
Time for IndyWales. | |
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| Welsh independence march in caerdydd on 00:45 - May 15 with 1227 views | valleyboy |
| Welsh independence march in caerdydd on 10:50 - May 14 by johnlangy |
Ahhhh, valleyboy again, the one who never answers questions putting valid points forward against what he says.
Re the numbers on the march, I can't state categorically what the numbers were. But when you're in the middle of a march where you're walking along a road with the march maybe 15 people wide and you can't see the walkers at the front or the back that translates into a large number, certainly far more, probably double, the 1500 max the police estimated.
But of course you were there valleyboy weren't you. And you counted them so you'd obviously know. |
So double the estimate to 3000
That’s still less than 10% of the population of Wales
You still have no chance of independence
Only dull ones like you, think that Wales could go it alone
Take the Swansea City deal for example
And look at the stupid ideas put forward for that
No wonder that they are thinking of pulling it in
For a country to improve. You need to improve education
Considering Wales is the lowest of the low in education
Without a good educated population.
You are never going to attract the modern industries to survive
Fords will be gone in a years time and Port Talbot will close in the not to distant future
Talk about people with their heads up their backsides
You must be one of them | | | |
| Welsh independence march in caerdydd on 09:40 - May 15 with 1176 views | johnlangy |
| Welsh independence march in caerdydd on 00:45 - May 15 by valleyboy |
So double the estimate to 3000
That’s still less than 10% of the population of Wales
You still have no chance of independence
Only dull ones like you, think that Wales could go it alone
Take the Swansea City deal for example
And look at the stupid ideas put forward for that
No wonder that they are thinking of pulling it in
For a country to improve. You need to improve education
Considering Wales is the lowest of the low in education
Without a good educated population.
You are never going to attract the modern industries to survive
Fords will be gone in a years time and Port Talbot will close in the not to distant future
Talk about people with their heads up their backsides
You must be one of them |
And there we have it everyone. After saying valleyboy never answers any questions put to him, when those questions include facts and figures which i'd like him to argue against if he thinks i'm wrong, what does he say :
'Only dull ones like you, think that Wales could go it alone' and 'Talk about people with their heads up their backsides'.
Any valleyboy fans out there who want to defend him ?
One thing he is right about though, and i'll defend his right to say it to the death. 3000 is indeed less than 10% of the population of Wales. | | | |
| Welsh independence march in caerdydd on 09:46 - May 15 with 1171 views | dickythorpe |
Better education......let's say this is achieved. You'd have more people fighting for the same amount of jobs.
Better education, better marketing of our country, better investment, better and more housing..........it's a long way down the road. |  | | |
| Welsh independence march in caerdydd on 10:09 - May 15 with 1159 views | valleyboy |
| Welsh independence march in caerdydd on 09:46 - May 15 by dickythorpe |
Better education......let's say this is achieved. You'd have more people fighting for the same amount of jobs.
Better education, better marketing of our country, better investment, better and more housing..........it's a long way down the road. |
More companies would come to Wales if there was a better educated population
Which would mean more choice of jobs
I know companies that are struggling to get enough engineers to programme their robots and CNC machines and have to revert to manual operations
No way will companies be able to compete with other companies if they have to go down that path and eventually they will either move away or even shut up shop | | | |
| Welsh independence march in caerdydd on 10:27 - May 15 with 1155 views | valleyboy |
| Welsh independence march in caerdydd on 09:46 - May 15 by dickythorpe |
Better education......let's say this is achieved. You'd have more people fighting for the same amount of jobs.
Better education, better marketing of our country, better investment, better and more housing..........it's a long way down the road. |
Trade Unions must also look at themselves as well
I was talking to an electrician a few weeks ago that works at Fords in Bridgend
He was telling me that the same happens there as what has happened for decades in otger companies
If for example a motor goes down on a machine
He would then have to go there to disconnect it electrically
Then he would call the fitter to dismantle it mechanically
Then call someone else to take the motor back to the workshop
The reverse would then happen to get the motor reinstalled
You can’t protect jobs in the long term.
When companies in other countries are changing in how they do things | | | |
| Welsh independence march in caerdydd on 11:13 - May 15 with 1144 views | sg1912 |
| Welsh independence march in caerdydd on 23:04 - May 14 by Kilkennyjack |
I know who chose to make Wales so poor that we qualified for an EU hand up.
What don't you understand ?
Westmonster made London super rich, and Wales super poor.
Biggest inequality in Europe.
Time for IndyWales. |
1. I’m guessing you’re too young to understand,, we’re a net contributor, the EU is literally giving us a fraction of the money back that we have already sent them.
2. Did the EU choose to make Greece and Spain poor or would you say they’re victims of circumstance?
3. Arabs and Russians made London rich. | | | |
| Welsh independence march in caerdydd on 17:34 - May 15 with 1098 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Welsh independence march in caerdydd on 11:13 - May 15 by sg1912 |
1. I’m guessing you’re too young to understand,, we’re a net contributor, the EU is literally giving us a fraction of the money back that we have already sent them.
2. Did the EU choose to make Greece and Spain poor or would you say they’re victims of circumstance?
3. Arabs and Russians made London rich. |
Our nation Wales gets more out than it puts in.
This because Westmonster made Wales poor enough to qualify for EU monies.
The new investment will help Wales.
Its not hard to understand. | |
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