| Gay and transgender relationship 12:15 - May 16 with 17677 views | valleyboy |
Should this be taught/discussed with children as young as 6 and 7 in our schools
Myself I would have thought there are much more important subjects to be taught
So that children come out with a decent education and be able to get good employment |  | | |  |
| Gay and transgender relationship on 21:54 - May 16 with 1084 views | Dippy |
They're too young IMO | |
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| Gay and transgender relationship on 21:58 - May 16 with 1072 views | oldtownjack |
| Gay and transgender relationship on 20:29 - May 16 by valleyboy |
It’s generally known in education circles in Wales. That 25% of teachers shouldn’t be anywhere near a classroom and a further 20% only doing enough to keep their jobs
It’s no wonder that Wales is lagging behind the other 3 countries
And yes, transgender and gay relationship should never be part of any school curriculum |
So you are saying that just under half of all teachers in wales are either incompetent or just about adequate. I’d be fascinated to know how you came by those figures. I’d also be interested to know how you would quantify whether a teacher is ‘doing enough’ to keep their job.
Do you think that all relationship lessons should be banned at that age or just gay relationships? [Post edited 16 May 2019 22:13]
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| Gay and transgender relationship on 21:58 - May 16 with 1068 views | jack2jack |
How in the name of all that's holy, have we got to this state.
Call me old fashioned but all this nonsense gets on my nerves.
30,40 years ago we would not even be having this conversation, where has it all come from, the world has been truly fvcked up.
The trouble is people's heads have been messed with. Sorry but it's true. |  | | |
| Gay and transgender relationship on 22:04 - May 16 with 1044 views | PentyrchJack |
| Gay and transgender relationship on 21:38 - May 16 by Professor |
I fully agree. Some comments made suggest such an education may have been beneficial. |
Are you saying our brothers and sisters who practise Islam and who have valid concerns are what you class as "uneducated"?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-48294017 [Post edited 16 May 2019 22:05]
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| Gay and transgender relationship on 22:21 - May 16 with 993 views | Garyjack |
| Gay and transgender relationship on 21:58 - May 16 by jack2jack |
How in the name of all that's holy, have we got to this state.
Call me old fashioned but all this nonsense gets on my nerves.
30,40 years ago we would not even be having this conversation, where has it all come from, the world has been truly fvcked up.
The trouble is people's heads have been messed with. Sorry but it's true. |
Just for the record, i haven't a problem with anyone who is gay, lesbian or who has gender issues. I actually feel very sorry for them in the sense that they must have at some point gone through extreme trauma emotionally to come to terms with their sexuality, or in this case their gender. i do however have a problem with the issue being taught to young children in our schools. That's the crux of it for me. |  | | |
| Gay and transgender relationship on 22:21 - May 16 with 991 views | valleyboy |
| Gay and transgender relationship on 21:58 - May 16 by oldtownjack |
So you are saying that just under half of all teachers in wales are either incompetent or just about adequate. I’d be fascinated to know how you came by those figures. I’d also be interested to know how you would quantify whether a teacher is ‘doing enough’ to keep their job.
Do you think that all relationship lessons should be banned at that age or just gay relationships? [Post edited 16 May 2019 22:13]
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I have friends that used to go around doing inspections in schools and head of departments in secondary modern schools that will tell you the same thing
But ask yourself a simple question
Why is education so poor in Wakes
Is it because Wales have more dull children than the rest of the U.K.
Or is
That 25% of teachers should not be anywhere near a classroom and 20% only doing enough to keep their jobs
Myself I would say it’s the latter
Also, have a good read what the Professor has said about some children belong to him being taught in England compare with what other children being taught in Wales | | | |
| Gay and transgender relationship on 22:25 - May 16 with 977 views | Professor |
As an atheist and scientist yes. The brain is a complex beast which small changes to the wiring system lead to differences from the ‘norm’. My view is that deviation from the standard model is sexuality are entirely natural as are other differences in neurological development like autism. The issue is that we are expected or taught to conform to a normal. Religion is both a way of explaining what we did not or still don’t understand
And a way of codifying a normality. That’s my opinion and the reason why we need to understand all forms of diversity from a young age. | | | |
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| Gay and transgender relationship on 22:29 - May 16 with 966 views | Professor |
| Gay and transgender relationship on 22:25 - May 16 by Professor |
As an atheist and scientist yes. The brain is a complex beast which small changes to the wiring system lead to differences from the ‘norm’. My view is that deviation from the standard model is sexuality are entirely natural as are other differences in neurological development like autism. The issue is that we are expected or taught to conform to a normal. Religion is both a way of explaining what we did not or still don’t understand
And a way of codifying a normality. That’s my opinion and the reason why we need to understand all forms of diversity from a young age. |
That said I respect people’s right to believe and practice whatever they want if it does not harm others. This applies to many things not just LBGT issues of course. | | | |
| Gay and transgender relationship on 22:31 - May 16 with 965 views | jack2jack |
| Gay and transgender relationship on 22:21 - May 16 by Garyjack |
Just for the record, i haven't a problem with anyone who is gay, lesbian or who has gender issues. I actually feel very sorry for them in the sense that they must have at some point gone through extreme trauma emotionally to come to terms with their sexuality, or in this case their gender. i do however have a problem with the issue being taught to young children in our schools. That's the crux of it for me. |
I tend to agree Gaz.
All this sh!t just confuses people, especially young and impressionable minds
Sorry I know in my head what I need to say but can't put it into words.
It worries, saddens and angers me. | | | |
| Gay and transgender relationship on 22:35 - May 16 with 956 views | jack2jack |
| Gay and transgender relationship on 22:25 - May 16 by Professor |
As an atheist and scientist yes. The brain is a complex beast which small changes to the wiring system lead to differences from the ‘norm’. My view is that deviation from the standard model is sexuality are entirely natural as are other differences in neurological development like autism. The issue is that we are expected or taught to conform to a normal. Religion is both a way of explaining what we did not or still don’t understand
And a way of codifying a normality. That’s my opinion and the reason why we need to understand all forms of diversity from a young age. |
I understand your pov.
But don't you think some are being brainwashed or manipulated?
Youngsters are very impressionable? | | | |
| Gay and transgender relationship on 22:35 - May 16 with 956 views | Banosswan |
| Gay and transgender relationship on 22:25 - May 16 by Professor |
As an atheist and scientist yes. The brain is a complex beast which small changes to the wiring system lead to differences from the ‘norm’. My view is that deviation from the standard model is sexuality are entirely natural as are other differences in neurological development like autism. The issue is that we are expected or taught to conform to a normal. Religion is both a way of explaining what we did not or still don’t understand
And a way of codifying a normality. That’s my opinion and the reason why we need to understand all forms of diversity from a young age. |
*devil's advocate head on* elasticity of the brain has shown that it can be rewired in certain cases. Listen to advocates of cbt and mindfulness that can show reduced stimulation of the amydgala and more frontal lobe thinking can reduce depressive thoughts and stimulate new neural pathways. Can't that be attributed to the developing mind?
Why do we need to be taught anything other than up and down and how to count?
Social sciences are by their nature biased to the teacher/ curriculum. |  |
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| Gay and transgender relationship on 22:38 - May 16 with 947 views | Professor |
| Gay and transgender relationship on 22:31 - May 16 by jack2jack |
I tend to agree Gaz.
All this sh!t just confuses people, especially young and impressionable minds
Sorry I know in my head what I need to say but can't put it into words.
It worries, saddens and angers me. |
You could view it from the perspective that an absence of education leads to a view that not is wrong. Certainly I held what would now be considered homophobic views as a teenager as I did not understand it and would follow stereotypes at the time ( Danny LeRue, Larry Grayson, Dick Emery’s characters ‘ Lukewarm from Porridge etc.). Only as I have known more LGBT people have I at least begun to understand. Not saying this is the correct perspective or suggesting any homophobia on your part, but just a counter argument | | | |
| Gay and transgender relationship on 22:43 - May 16 with 937 views | Professor |
| Gay and transgender relationship on 22:35 - May 16 by jack2jack |
I understand your pov.
But don't you think some are being brainwashed or manipulated?
Youngsters are very impressionable? |
I agree young kids are. Which is why a balanced approach is important. Race, religion or sexuality should not be favoured. Don’t agree with a radical approach that bans the standard as somehow wrong, but we need to have education that at least acknowledges differences | | | |
| Gay and transgender relationship on 22:43 - May 16 with 937 views | jack2jack |
| Gay and transgender relationship on 22:38 - May 16 by Professor |
You could view it from the perspective that an absence of education leads to a view that not is wrong. Certainly I held what would now be considered homophobic views as a teenager as I did not understand it and would follow stereotypes at the time ( Danny LeRue, Larry Grayson, Dick Emery’s characters ‘ Lukewarm from Porridge etc.). Only as I have known more LGBT people have I at least begun to understand. Not saying this is the correct perspective or suggesting any homophobia on your part, but just a counter argument |
I may well be older than you but when I was a kid I just thought Grayson etc were just people, and treated them as ordinary people, no agendas or prejudices, maybe that's where it's gone wrong folk are pigeon holed and thats when bullying starts,but I have to say all this is getting out of hand, and there's no going back. | | | |
| Gay and transgender relationship on 22:46 - May 16 with 926 views | jackrabbit |
| Gay and transgender relationship on 21:23 - May 16 by PentyrchJack |
Lisa - you are deluded as children of that age are only just learning to read and write properly. Children should be allowed to be children. There's time enough later on for all the grandstanding utopian liberalism. |
Well said. There’s plenty of time later in life for this awareness. Let children be children. |  | | |
| Gay and transgender relationship on 22:47 - May 16 with 917 views | Dippy |
| Gay and transgender relationship on 22:43 - May 16 by Professor |
I agree young kids are. Which is why a balanced approach is important. Race, religion or sexuality should not be favoured. Don’t agree with a radical approach that bans the standard as somehow wrong, but we need to have education that at least acknowledges differences |
But at that age?.. it's all a bit extreme to me. | |
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| Gay and transgender relationship on 22:48 - May 16 with 916 views | Professor |
| Gay and transgender relationship on 22:43 - May 16 by jack2jack |
I may well be older than you but when I was a kid I just thought Grayson etc were just people, and treated them as ordinary people, no agendas or prejudices, maybe that's where it's gone wrong folk are pigeon holed and thats when bullying starts,but I have to say all this is getting out of hand, and there's no going back. |
You may be right there. Problem is in many homes in the past and probably now a comment such as “ Oh that Nancy boy is on again” and much worse is made. There is some grown up debate going on here. Does not apply to us all. Anyway work in the morning means bedtime calls. | | | |
| Gay and transgender relationship on 22:51 - May 16 with 907 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Gay and transgender relationship on 21:58 - May 16 by jack2jack |
How in the name of all that's holy, have we got to this state.
Call me old fashioned but all this nonsense gets on my nerves.
30,40 years ago we would not even be having this conversation, where has it all come from, the world has been truly fvcked up.
The trouble is people's heads have been messed with. Sorry but it's true. |
30 to 40 years ago people were ostracised, beaten and often criminalised for their sexuality. Transgender people were forced to live a lie to adhere to what other people considered normal. Slowly but surely society woke up and realised it doesn’t matter who other people want to sleep with as long as it’s consensual or that if the bloke next door doesn’t feel like a bloke that’s his business and his business alone. That’s how we got to this stage and it’s taken way too long. |  |
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| Gay and transgender relationship on 22:54 - May 16 with 896 views | Dippy |
| Gay and transgender relationship on 22:51 - May 16 by exiledclaseboy |
30 to 40 years ago people were ostracised, beaten and often criminalised for their sexuality. Transgender people were forced to live a lie to adhere to what other people considered normal. Slowly but surely society woke up and realised it doesn’t matter who other people want to sleep with as long as it’s consensual or that if the bloke next door doesn’t feel like a bloke that’s his business and his business alone. That’s how we got to this stage and it’s taken way too long. |
But teaching it all at 6 and 7.. they've hardly come out of the womb | |
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| Gay and transgender relationship on 22:55 - May 16 with 891 views | Banosswan |
| Gay and transgender relationship on 22:54 - May 16 by Dippy |
But teaching it all at 6 and 7.. they've hardly come out of the womb |
I suggest you don't go near the Alabama thread | |
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| Gay and transgender relationship on 22:56 - May 16 with 888 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Gay and transgender relationship on 22:54 - May 16 by Dippy |
But teaching it all at 6 and 7.. they've hardly come out of the womb |
They’re not “teaching it” though. That implies they’re telling kids “how” to be gay and/or transgender. They’re not, it’s simply making kids aware that not everyone is the same, differences exist and they don’t matter. Education isn’t just about teaching in the commonly understood sense. | |
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| Gay and transgender relationship on 22:57 - May 16 with 885 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Gay and transgender relationship on 22:46 - May 16 by jackrabbit |
Well said. There’s plenty of time later in life for this awareness. Let children be children. |
There’s nothing more intrinsically confusing for a child about two men or two women loving each other than a man and a woman loving each other. Which most kids see from year dot.
Quite why one is suitable for children and the other is for ‘later in life’ is beyond me.
It’s also beyond me that some kids having two dads or two mums is somehow deeply confusing whereas the concept of a man with a beard flying to every child in the world in a few hours pulled by reindeer, dropping down a chimney to leave presents while spending the previous month sitting in Debenhams is not. Or a fairy that leaves a pound under a pillow if a tooth falls out. | | | |
| Gay and transgender relationship on 22:59 - May 16 with 878 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Gay and transgender relationship on 22:21 - May 16 by Garyjack |
Just for the record, i haven't a problem with anyone who is gay, lesbian or who has gender issues. I actually feel very sorry for them in the sense that they must have at some point gone through extreme trauma emotionally to come to terms with their sexuality, or in this case their gender. i do however have a problem with the issue being taught to young children in our schools. That's the crux of it for me. |
The whole point of the education is that the trauma is unnecessary. If everyone else doesn’t have to go through extreme trauma why on earth should they? It should be the same. | | | |
| Gay and transgender relationship on 23:06 - May 16 with 867 views | Banosswan |
| Gay and transgender relationship on 22:59 - May 16 by londonlisa2001 |
The whole point of the education is that the trauma is unnecessary. If everyone else doesn’t have to go through extreme trauma why on earth should they? It should be the same. |
How many more will be confused by the discussion they never would've had? | |
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