| Parliament to be suspended in September on 21:27 - Aug 29 with 1192 views | Nortbankboy |
Tin pot dictator |  | |  |
| Parliament to be suspended in September on 21:28 - Aug 29 with 1191 views | bluey_the_blue |
| Parliament to be suspended in September on 20:50 - Aug 29 by exiledclaseboy |
No one other than the government has an automatic right to propose legislation so you’re talking gubbins again. |
Well, pedantically that's not quite true though is it?
Cooper-Letwin bill in the past. | | | |
| Parliament to be suspended in September on 21:32 - Aug 29 with 1186 views | waynekerr55 |
Kussenberg reporting that Gauke indicated to her that, as a result of the prorogation, there may be the numbers to legislate against No Deal next week.
Fùcking hell! |  |
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| Parliament to be suspended in September on 21:35 - Aug 29 with 1182 views | WarwickHunt |
| Parliament to be suspended in September on 21:32 - Aug 29 by waynekerr55 |
Kussenberg reporting that Gauke indicated to her that, as a result of the prorogation, there may be the numbers to legislate against No Deal next week.
Fùcking hell! |
Mr. Blobby has overplayed his hand.
The EU aren’t going to blink either.
Edit: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/aug/29/senior-tory-rebels-ready-to-bac [Post edited 29 Aug 2019 21:37]
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| Parliament to be suspended in September on 21:35 - Aug 29 with 1182 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Parliament to be suspended in September on 21:28 - Aug 29 by bluey_the_blue |
Well, pedantically that's not quite true though is it?
Cooper-Letwin bill in the past. |
No it’s exactly true. The Cooper/Letwin law was passed after the Speaker allowed parliament to break with tradition and convention and propose its own legislation. A decision you were absolutely outraged about at the time. That may happen again but there’s no automatic right to it as the government controls parliamentary business. So it’s disingenuous to say that there’s still time for parliament to legislate because that’s dependent on it being allowed to do so. Johnson has only said that there’ll be ample time for parliament to “debate” Brexit despite the prorogation. [Post edited 29 Aug 2019 21:37]
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| Parliament to be suspended in September on 21:39 - Aug 29 with 1164 views | bluey_the_blue |
| Parliament to be suspended in September on 21:35 - Aug 29 by exiledclaseboy |
No it’s exactly true. The Cooper/Letwin law was passed after the Speaker allowed parliament to break with tradition and convention and propose its own legislation. A decision you were absolutely outraged about at the time. That may happen again but there’s no automatic right to it as the government controls parliamentary business. So it’s disingenuous to say that there’s still time for parliament to legislate because that’s dependent on it being allowed to do so. Johnson has only said that there’ll be ample time for parliament to “debate” Brexit despite the prorogation. [Post edited 29 Aug 2019 21:37]
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True as in "automatic right", false as in there are ways round it.
Bercow crapped over that before, will do so again. | | | |
| Parliament to be suspended in September on 21:41 - Aug 29 with 1162 views | exiledclaseboy |
The Lords’ angle in that is the vital one. It’ll get through the commons (assuming they’re allowed to do it) but probably not the Lords. | |
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| Parliament to be suspended in September on 21:43 - Aug 29 with 1157 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Parliament to be suspended in September on 21:39 - Aug 29 by bluey_the_blue |
True as in "automatic right", false as in there are ways round it.
Bercow crapped over that before, will do so again. |
Good. This is a government squatting in power. Someone has to hold it to account. | |
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| Parliament to be suspended in September on 21:43 - Aug 29 with 1156 views | bluey_the_blue |
| Parliament to be suspended in September on 21:41 - Aug 29 by exiledclaseboy |
The Lords’ angle in that is the vital one. It’ll get through the commons (assuming they’re allowed to do it) but probably not the Lords. |
Not convinced b that.
I've little doubt there's a lot of EU love in Lords. Yeah, could go the fiibustering route but looking by the state of most of them, an hour on their feet and ambulances will be required. | | | |
| Parliament to be suspended in September on 21:50 - Aug 29 with 1144 views | Jango |
If no deal becomes a near enough certainty then the EU will blink. | | | |
| Parliament to be suspended in September on 21:53 - Aug 29 with 1134 views | Flashberryjack |
| Parliament to be suspended in September on 21:50 - Aug 29 by Jango |
If no deal becomes a near enough certainty then the EU will blink. |
Never! they know most MP's haven't the stomach for a fight.
With the help of the remainers the EU are playing a blinder. |  |
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| Parliament to be suspended in September on 21:56 - Aug 29 with 1123 views | bluey_the_blue |
| Parliament to be suspended in September on 21:53 - Aug 29 by Flashberryjack |
Never! they know most MP's haven't the stomach for a fight.
With the help of the remainers the EU are playing a blinder. |
I wouldn't say EU are playing a blinder.
They've not had to play anything.
May and most MPs in parliament have done their job for them. Two years plus was wasted. | | | |
| Parliament to be suspended in September on 21:59 - Aug 29 with 1115 views | longlostjack |
It might be wishful thinking on my part but I reckon you’re right. It’s incredible to imagine that the Conservative and Unionist Party seems hell bent on breaking up the UK. There again they have a fair few extremist Bojonistas like Bluey in their ranks I suppose. |  |
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| Parliament to be suspended in September on 21:59 - Aug 29 with 1112 views | Groo |
| Parliament to be suspended in September on 21:50 - Aug 29 by Jango |
If no deal becomes a near enough certainty then the EU will blink. |
Absolutely they will, there's already reports of talks starting.
The issue has been that the UK has not been united and the EU sees this. May's weak attitude and inability to find a way through her own Parliament played into the hands of the EU. Why should they give on anything when they know if they play hard-ball then everything stays at the status quo.
The longer that remains, the more likely that the UK would end up being forced to remain and the 48% would have won.
We live in a democracy, unless my vote loses!!
Doing this will at least give the EU a sudden shock and anything the UK can get to make the deal more consumable at home, from a position of strength for a change, should be welcomed.
Unless you voted to stay in of course, a weak hand is then better and better chance of Brexit being postponed indefinitely. |  |
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| Parliament to be suspended in September on 22:01 - Aug 29 with 1106 views | bluey_the_blue |
| Parliament to be suspended in September on 21:59 - Aug 29 by longlostjack |
It might be wishful thinking on my part but I reckon you’re right. It’s incredible to imagine that the Conservative and Unionist Party seems hell bent on breaking up the UK. There again they have a fair few extremist Bojonistas like Bluey in their ranks I suppose. |
Arf!
I voted against BoJo. I don't think he'd be a good PM in normal circumstances. Get Brexit through in some form or other, fine. After that I'd rather have someone else leading the party. | | | |
| Parliament to be suspended in September on 22:08 - Aug 29 with 1090 views | longlostjack |
| Parliament to be suspended in September on 22:01 - Aug 29 by bluey_the_blue |
Arf!
I voted against BoJo. I don't think he'd be a good PM in normal circumstances. Get Brexit through in some form or other, fine. After that I'd rather have someone else leading the party. |
Bless. A Churchill he is not ! 😂😂 | |
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| Parliament to be suspended in September on 22:21 - Aug 29 with 1079 views | WarwickHunt |
| Parliament to be suspended in September on 21:50 - Aug 29 by Jango |
If no deal becomes a near enough certainty then the EU will blink. |
Like last time?
Dream on, sunshine. | | | |
| Parliament to be suspended in September on 22:58 - Aug 29 with 1054 views | Jango |
| Parliament to be suspended in September on 22:21 - Aug 29 by WarwickHunt |
Like last time?
Dream on, sunshine. |
When was the last time no deal became a certainty? | | | |
| Parliament to be suspended in September on 23:31 - Aug 29 with 1042 views | Jack59 |
| Parliament to be suspended in September on 17:51 - Aug 28 by yescomeon |
Watch Scottish Parliament unilaterally declare independence the moment Parliament is dissolved. Senedd should do the same. |
Who the fxxx is Senedd? and why is he involved in this? | | | |
| Parliament to be suspended in September on 23:38 - Aug 29 with 1037 views | LeonWasGod |
| Parliament to be suspended in September on 22:58 - Aug 29 by Jango |
When was the last time no deal became a certainty? |
Probably more a reference to the EU not blinking the last 2 times on deadline day, despite us being told they would (they obviously never will - the unity of the EU is more important to them than the demands of a (edit - soon to be) third country having a toddler’s hissy fit). [Post edited 29 Aug 2019 23:51]
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| Parliament to be suspended in September on 23:48 - Aug 29 with 1027 views | Jack59 |
When you get used to being pissed over for many, many years.
The idea that someone could stop it all, and your head will subsequently dry up, is enough to fill you with dread. | | | |
| Parliament to be suspended in September on 07:28 - Aug 30 with 959 views | Jango |
| Parliament to be suspended in September on 23:38 - Aug 29 by LeonWasGod |
Probably more a reference to the EU not blinking the last 2 times on deadline day, despite us being told they would (they obviously never will - the unity of the EU is more important to them than the demands of a (edit - soon to be) third country having a toddler’s hissy fit). [Post edited 29 Aug 2019 23:51]
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There’s never been a deadline day. Nobody in this country thought the WA would get through parliament. Do you think across the channel they saw things completely different? Come on mun, they’ve been working hand in hand with remainers the entire time. If there comes a point where those tactics have failed, they’ll blink. In my opinion of course. | | | |
| Parliament to be suspended in September on 07:31 - Aug 30 with 956 views | Jango |
It’s not immaterial. We’ve never been in a position where no deal has looked a certainty so there hasn’t been a last time. Wrong again. | | | |
| Parliament to be suspended in September on 07:46 - Aug 30 with 947 views | bluey_the_blue |
| Parliament to be suspended in September on 22:21 - Aug 29 by WarwickHunt |
Like last time?
Dream on, sunshine. |
Care to point out when no deal was previously a "near certainty"?
Situations change.
EU and May were convinced that beat parliament down enough time, eventually their WA would be approved. Standard EU approach - didn't vote the way we want, keep voting. Some roll over and have their bellies tickled.
Unless WA reopened and renegotiated, nothing passes parliament. This is why we should not have had a Remainer as PM overseeing Brexit. | | | |
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