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Does Brexit die tonight? 11:59 - Sep 3 with 12275 viewswestwalesed

When this bill passes, which I expect it to, my understanding is that the EU theoretically can propose a different extension to the proposed January 31st, 2020 date currently in the bill.

The bill states that the PM has to accept that date, and that Parliament has two days to either accept or reject it (thereby putting any future extension date in the hands of Parliament as opposed to the PM). Given that we have a remain leaning parliament currently it's hard tp see how any proposed date would be rejected.

PM Johnson would then seek an election as he has stated, but now that it is looking as if the opposition parties may not get to the two-thirds of MPs required to trigger it, there will be no election at all. What then?

With a Govt that has to accept any date given and Parliament refusing to give him an opportunity to change the make up of the Commons, is this the day that Brexit dies?

Is it revoking A50 by the back door?

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Does Brexit die tonight? on 20:52 - Sep 9 with 488 viewsrockinjk

Does Brexit die tonight? on 20:49 - Sep 9 by A_Fans_Dad

Who are all remainers.


What should we do with them?

Should we start opening up camps? Should be put them in the army? What should we do? Firing squad?

Where is this going?
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Does Brexit die tonight? on 20:52 - Sep 9 with 488 viewsexiledclaseboy

Does Brexit die tonight? on 20:52 - Sep 9 by A_Fans_Dad

"She may have been remain before the referendum but this nonsense that’s she did her damndest to keep us in all along is just that."

Just what do you think the withrawal deal actually did, because it certainly did not remove us from the control of the EU or the ECJ.


Yes it did, at the end of the implementation period in 2021.

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Does Brexit die tonight? on 20:54 - Sep 9 with 479 viewslondonlisa2001

Does Brexit die tonight? on 20:42 - Sep 9 by A_Fans_Dad

So there we have it, a Not real Fund that is an accounting Curio rather than a real fund that just happens to have real cash allocated to it that is decreasing and may run out.
That is something that everyone including the Government calls a Fund.
What do I think it means I think that of course there is a pot of money, you cannot make a "nominal calculation" without the basis of real cash being somewhere.
The fact that it is lumped in with NHS and Benefits still means that there ids cash paid in and has have cash allocated. The nominal calculation merely means the amount allocated to Pensions has to taken from the overall Pot.
Perhaps if you think there is no fund you can explain where the Cash comes from that the Government calls a Fund?
I don't call it a fund they do.


That’s a lengthy way of admitting you were wrong fansdad...

It doesn’t have real cash allocated to it. It’s an accounting figure only. As for your question - where does the cash come from. As I explained to you, the cash you get for your pension comes from people paying tax and national insurance at the moment.

Now, try again...

Lol.
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Does Brexit die tonight? on 20:54 - Sep 9 with 472 viewssherpajacob

Does Brexit die tonight? on 20:48 - Sep 9 by A_Fans_Dad

You keep saying that the Referendum was only Advisory, you seem to have missed the point that it was written in to Law here
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_(Withdrawal)_Act_2018


From your own link.

" for parliamentary approval to be required for any withdrawal agreement negotiated between HM Government and the European Union."


Parliament has not, as yet, approved any withdrawal agreement., as mentioned elsewhere, mainly due to the ERG and DUP voting against us leaving.

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Does Brexit die tonight? on 20:56 - Sep 9 with 467 viewsrockinjk

Does Brexit die tonight? on 20:52 - Sep 9 by exiledclaseboy

Yes it did, at the end of the implementation period in 2021.


The most unbelievable part of all of this is the lack of understanding of what May produced

It was a hard Brexit:

Out of single market

End of free movement

Out of customs union once alternative arrangements agreed

The key point in this is end of free movement what most leave voters care about

But the right wing press has told them it’s terrible so therefore it’s terrible
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Does Brexit die tonight? on 20:56 - Sep 9 with 466 viewsWarwickHunt

Does Brexit die tonight? on 20:49 - Sep 9 by A_Fans_Dad

Who are all remainers.


The stupidity on this thread has reached new heights. Quite an achievement.😂


Catallus and ‘Dad’ - get warmed up, you’re off the bench...
[Post edited 9 Sep 21:00]
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Does Brexit die tonight? on 20:57 - Sep 9 with 459 viewslondonlisa2001

Does Brexit die tonight? on 20:52 - Sep 9 by exiledclaseboy

Yes it did, at the end of the implementation period in 2021.


He’s as clueless about the WA as he is about the pension he is getting that is being paid for by IMMIGRANTS. And only immigrants. They’ve separated it out into a fund to pay fansdad.

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Does Brexit die tonight? on 20:57 - Sep 9 with 459 viewsrockinjk

Does Brexit die tonight? on 20:56 - Sep 9 by WarwickHunt

The stupidity on this thread has reached new heights. Quite an achievement.😂


Catallus and ‘Dad’ - get warmed up, you’re off the bench...
[Post edited 9 Sep 21:00]


Cognitive dissonance reigns supreme

They will never admit it
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Does Brexit die tonight? on 21:04 - Sep 9 with 429 viewsWarwickHunt

Does Brexit die tonight? on 20:54 - Sep 9 by sherpajacob

From your own link.

" for parliamentary approval to be required for any withdrawal agreement negotiated between HM Government and the European Union."


Parliament has not, as yet, approved any withdrawal agreement., as mentioned elsewhere, mainly due to the ERG and DUP voting against us leaving.


The own goal king gets a hat-trick.

He’s ace.😂
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Does Brexit die tonight? on 21:17 - Sep 9 with 386 viewssherpajacob

Does Brexit die tonight? on 20:56 - Sep 9 by rockinjk

The most unbelievable part of all of this is the lack of understanding of what May produced

It was a hard Brexit:

Out of single market

End of free movement

Out of customs union once alternative arrangements agreed

The key point in this is end of free movement what most leave voters care about

But the right wing press has told them it’s terrible so therefore it’s terrible


Indeed, if she didn't need the DUP, GB would now be in the implementation period and a United Ireland would be in the post.

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Does Brexit die tonight? on 21:19 - Sep 9 with 383 viewsexiledclaseboy

Does Brexit die tonight? on 21:17 - Sep 9 by sherpajacob

Indeed, if she didn't need the DUP, GB would now be in the implementation period and a United Ireland would be in the post.


Talk now is that the backstop will become NI only as per the original plan cos Johnson doesn’t need the DUP anymore now that his majority is down to about minus 40 and an election is imminent. That won’t help him with the ERG loons mind.

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Does Brexit die tonight? on 21:20 - Sep 9 with 373 viewsLeonWasGod

Does Brexit die tonight? on 20:48 - Sep 9 by A_Fans_Dad

You keep saying that the Referendum was only Advisory, you seem to have missed the point that it was written in to Law here
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_(Withdrawal)_Act_2018


It was advisory. That’s the Withdrawal Act
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Does Brexit die tonight? on 21:22 - Sep 9 with 365 viewsProfessor

Does Brexit die tonight? on 19:49 - Sep 9 by exiledclaseboy

“A conspiracy theorist might say that when Yellowhammer was commissioned, if a remain PM asked for it might they have ensured remain supporting civil servants compiled it?”

That would be a particularly stupid conspiracy theory given that no one asks civil servant who they vote for and/or how they voted in the referendum.

“Although only politicians have seen the whole thing,”


That’s not true either.

Edit: May wasn’t a “remain PM” either. She may have been remain before the referendum but this nonsense that’s she did her damndest to keep us in all along is just that. She was utterly useless mind.
[Post edited 9 Sep 19:52]


Penny Mordaunt's comments tend to support the theory May was just useless

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/09/penny-mordaunt-says-calls-for-c


She may be Tory leader by Christmas
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Does Brexit die tonight? on 21:23 - Sep 9 with 357 viewssherpajacob

Does Brexit die tonight? on 21:19 - Sep 9 by exiledclaseboy

Talk now is that the backstop will become NI only as per the original plan cos Johnson doesn’t need the DUP anymore now that his majority is down to about minus 40 and an election is imminent. That won’t help him with the ERG loons mind.


Will the conservative and unionist party vote for it?

What's left of them.

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Does Brexit die tonight? on 21:24 - Sep 9 with 353 viewsexiledclaseboy

Does Brexit die tonight? on 21:23 - Sep 9 by sherpajacob

Will the conservative and unionist party vote for it?

What's left of them.


That party now exists in name only.

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Does Brexit die tonight? on 21:25 - Sep 9 with 346 viewsexiledclaseboy

Does Brexit die tonight? on 21:20 - Sep 9 by LeonWasGod

It was advisory. That’s the Withdrawal Act


Give him a break. He’s had a tough day.

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Does Brexit die tonight? on 21:28 - Sep 9 with 339 viewslondonlisa2001

Does Brexit die tonight? on 21:23 - Sep 9 by sherpajacob

Will the conservative and unionist party vote for it?

What's left of them.


Dominic Cummings has been quoted tonight as saying he doesn’t care if Northern Ireland falls into the sea.

I’m sure it’s reciprocal.

That’s another 10 you need for the General Election Dominic. Added to the 13 in Scotland and the London MPs, and the MPs in the South West, that’s a lot in the North. Oh, and Farage has called you out again tonight. Oops.
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Does Brexit die tonight? on 22:02 - Sep 9 with 305 viewsA_Fans_Dad

Does Brexit die tonight? on 20:54 - Sep 9 by sherpajacob

From your own link.

" for parliamentary approval to be required for any withdrawal agreement negotiated between HM Government and the European Union."


Parliament has not, as yet, approved any withdrawal agreement., as mentioned elsewhere, mainly due to the ERG and DUP voting against us leaving.


Funny how you all skipped over the first and main part of the Act, ie repealing of the European Communities Act.
Which means we will be out of the EU.
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Does Brexit die tonight? on 22:07 - Sep 9 with 297 viewsrockinjk

Does Brexit die tonight? on 21:24 - Sep 9 by exiledclaseboy

That party now exists in name only.


English Nationalist party now

Authoritarian, Economically Nationalist, anti immigrant, corporatist

Sounds very fascist
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Does Brexit die tonight? on 22:11 - Sep 9 with 287 viewsexiledclaseboy

Does Brexit die tonight? on 22:07 - Sep 9 by rockinjk

English Nationalist party now

Authoritarian, Economically Nationalist, anti immigrant, corporatist

Sounds very fascist


It’s certainly the very antithesis of conservatism and/Toryism. And as you know, I was no fan in the first place.

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Does Brexit die tonight? on 22:15 - Sep 9 with 278 viewsA_Fans_Dad

Does Brexit die tonight? on 21:17 - Sep 9 by sherpajacob

Indeed, if she didn't need the DUP, GB would now be in the implementation period and a United Ireland would be in the post.


Perhaps you should read this before making such categorical statements
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/11/the-top-40-horrors-lurking-in-the-small-pr
and this
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/11/mays-brexit-deal-40-rebuttals-to-no-10s-re

But I suppose the Spectator is Fake News for you?
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Does Brexit die tonight? on 22:16 - Sep 9 with 276 viewsrockinjk

Does Brexit die tonight? on 22:11 - Sep 9 by exiledclaseboy

It’s certainly the very antithesis of conservatism and/Toryism. And as you know, I was no fan in the first place.


Hmm don’t fully agree it’s a strand of conservatism

The Monday Club then later UKIP style

What centre right politics has been able to do is muzzle them now they have the power and all bets are off

This isn’t meant to be the case. But you’re right traditional conservatism is in trouble
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Does Brexit die tonight? on 22:21 - Sep 9 with 258 viewsrockinjk

Here they are:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservative_Monday_Club

They’ve drifted back in
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Does Brexit die tonight? on 22:46 - Sep 9 with 234 viewsA_Fans_Dad

Does Brexit die tonight? on 20:57 - Sep 9 by londonlisa2001

He’s as clueless about the WA as he is about the pension he is getting that is being paid for by IMMIGRANTS. And only immigrants. They’ve separated it out into a fund to pay fansdad.



Lisa, thankyou, you have made my day.
Based on what you say it gives me great pleasure to realise that that all you poor bar stewards on here still working and paying NI are helping all those immigrants pay my Pension each month. What sweet irony.


And what is even better is that they are paying my wife's as well.
so double

So each month from now on when I see our Pensions appear on my bank statements I will think of all you remainers that are paying for them and smile, so thank you you all for keeping us in the Luxury we have become accustomed to.

ps I haver just realised that if they immigration you will probably have to contribute even more. Oh JOY.
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Does Brexit die tonight? on 22:48 - Sep 9 with 226 viewsDJack

Does Brexit die tonight? on 20:49 - Sep 9 by A_Fans_Dad

Who are all remainers.


You are totally bonkers.

It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan

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