| Independence march merthyr 08:15 - Sep 8 with 27750 views | CwmafanJack |
Did anyone make the trip? Great speakers eddie butler and neville southall. Thousands in attendance with thousands more not being able to make it as trains where full coming from cardiff. Also busts the myth that theres no support for independence in the south. Well done all. Annibyniaeth ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ·ó ¬ó ³ó ¿ |  |
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| Independence march merthyr on 16:00 - Sep 20 with 1903 views | Catullus |
| Independence march merthyr on 21:43 - Sep 18 by ladyjack |
Its an Aussie tabloid journalist who writes for the right wing rag from News Corp stable which was Murdoch's lot.
NZ Herald is on the right and apparently they print material from our Daily Telegraph and the Independent.
If you don't want to recognise multiple award winners like Fisk, Pilger and Price [in his field] but give credence to lowly right wing tabloid journalists then you are the one that is guilty of advocating a biased position. |
That's exactly the point and you reinforce it superbly. You discount a "right wing rag" from another country and then slate me for not taking left wing journos as gospel, it is inate bias and we all have it. We all make the evidence fit our own beliefs. It's not as if there aren't right wing award winning jurnos.
Take Peter Hitchens, winner of the Orwell prize amongst others, so he's obviously won an award but should I take his word for it just because he won that award?
Look at both left and right, try to find the truth in it and make your mind up. However, don't ever expect me to believe a left wing jounalist just because he/she is an award winner. | |
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| Independence march merthyr on 20:18 - Sep 20 with 1864 views | ladyjack |
| Independence march merthyr on 21:57 - Sep 19 by Catullus |
Show me where I said anything like that. I said Wales gets more per head than most of England, we get 8% more per head in NHS spending which is roughly £64 per head, or was.
How does that equate to what you said? |
Do you think poorer areas should not get anymore money than richer areas ? |  | | |
| Independence march merthyr on 20:27 - Sep 20 with 1860 views | ladyjack |
| Independence march merthyr on 16:00 - Sep 20 by Catullus |
That's exactly the point and you reinforce it superbly. You discount a "right wing rag" from another country and then slate me for not taking left wing journos as gospel, it is inate bias and we all have it. We all make the evidence fit our own beliefs. It's not as if there aren't right wing award winning jurnos.
Take Peter Hitchens, winner of the Orwell prize amongst others, so he's obviously won an award but should I take his word for it just because he won that award?
Look at both left and right, try to find the truth in it and make your mind up. However, don't ever expect me to believe a left wing jounalist just because he/she is an award winner. |
You are the one discounting people not me, i have heard it said that Robert Frisk has apparently never voted.
I always weigh up both sides of the argument that is why I will watch RT if the West claims it has a problem with Russia etc and then seek out a neutral third party.
For example I am well versed in Thatcher and Foots different policies, i like to walk a mile in someone else’s shoes before coming to any conclusions, I don't look at just one side of the argument but it seems to me like you do. | | | |
| Independence march merthyr on 23:27 - Sep 22 with 1786 views | Kilkennyjack |
â¤ï¸ eddie butler, what a guy ? |  |
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| Independence march merthyr on 23:40 - Sep 22 with 1773 views | Lohengrin |
”For example I am well versed in Thatcher and Foots different policies.”
Really? The floor’s yours... |  |
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| Independence march merthyr on 07:59 - Sep 23 with 1715 views | ladyjack |
Those Oxford uni profs are a bit slow off the mark, it was obvious straight after the vote. [Post edited 23 Sep 2019 8:03]
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| Independence march merthyr on 09:47 - Sep 24 with 1656 views | johnlangy |
| Independence march merthyr on 10:16 - Sep 20 by Highjack |
Is there a possibility that graph is skewed by the fact north wales and Scotland are amongst the coldest and most rural places in the country and therefore will spend more on energy anyway? |
I imagine he means the it costs more there per kwh or whatever. | | | |
| Independence march merthyr on 13:46 - Sep 24 with 1621 views | ladyjack |
Liz speaks on independence. | | | |
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| Independence march merthyr on 19:04 - Sep 27 with 1536 views | ladyjack |
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| Independence march merthyr on 19:13 - Sep 27 with 1529 views | ladyjack |
Well well, I have heard plenty said about Carwyn Jones been indie curious etc etc, but I've missed the Drakeford thing until now, well well well, are Welsh Labour about to turn indie ??? | | | |
| Independence march merthyr on 19:22 - Sep 27 with 1513 views | ladyjack |
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| Independence march merthyr on 19:23 - Sep 27 with 1512 views | LeonWasGod |
| Independence march merthyr on 19:04 - Sep 27 by ladyjack |
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Nice one Trampie, you've gone mainstream. I'm skeptical about the chances of the Indi movement gaining any serious traction, but maybe that's not such a long shot after all. |  | | |
| Independence march merthyr on 19:35 - Sep 27 with 1501 views | ladyjack |
The problem for people in Wales that strongly identify as Welsh and for people in Wales that identify themselves as being on the left, is the huge immigrant vote and the huge Anglicised vote of those influenced by things the other side of the Dyke, its a problem for supporters of the home team and home values, how to overcome it is a big issue.
Nothing changed for decades, with the Welsh somehow having to get what was known in the 3 Wales model as Welsh Wales [Swansea and the Valleys] on board, but there has been some successes in recent years and if Labour in Wales change sides then who knows what the future might hold if the cards fall right. | | | |
| Independence march merthyr on 19:42 - Sep 27 with 1493 views | ladyjack |
| Independence march merthyr on 19:23 - Sep 27 by LeonWasGod |
Nice one Trampie, you've gone mainstream. I'm skeptical about the chances of the Indi movement gaining any serious traction, but maybe that's not such a long shot after all. |
I don't know Leon, I do try to look inside as well as outside the box, lol.
I think the same as you Leon i'm also sceptical about the chances of the Indi movement gaining any serious traction, but like you say maybe it's not such a long shot after all. | | | |
| Independence march merthyr on 19:06 - Sep 28 with 1415 views | ladyjack |
The Guardian now on the case with a well written piece, making lots of interesting and salient points, Labour voters in Wales turning to independence that could be a game changer. | | | |
| Independence march merthyr on 19:20 - Sep 28 with 1405 views | bluey_the_blue |
| Independence march merthyr on 19:06 - Sep 28 by ladyjack |
The Guardian now on the case with a well written piece, making lots of interesting and salient points, Labour voters in Wales turning to independence that could be a game changer. |
If Labour voters turn to pro-independence parties, Trampie, then Labour will be toast in parliament.
Wales will of course elect fvcwits, as usual, meaning Wales gets mismanaged whilst Tories win election after election in England.
Corbyn and Milne will be haivng a word with Drakeford. | | | |
| Independence march merthyr on 19:24 - Sep 28 with 1399 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Independence march merthyr on 19:06 - Sep 28 by ladyjack |
The Guardian now on the case with a well written piece, making lots of interesting and salient points, Labour voters in Wales turning to independence that could be a game changer. |
100 per cent.
Decisions about Wales should be taken in Wales by Welsh people. Its not hard. Its normal. | |
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| Independence march merthyr on 19:37 - Sep 28 with 1387 views | ladyjack |
| Independence march merthyr on 19:20 - Sep 28 by bluey_the_blue |
If Labour voters turn to pro-independence parties, Trampie, then Labour will be toast in parliament.
Wales will of course elect fvcwits, as usual, meaning Wales gets mismanaged whilst Tories win election after election in England.
Corbyn and Milne will be haivng a word with Drakeford. |
The thrust of the observations are Labour voters are becoming more and more pro Welsh independence as in Labour for Welsh independence groups, Drakeford's unionism is not 'unconditional', Welsh Labour leadership talking about independence, first Carwyn now Drakeford, there is a sense of things changing. | | | |
| Independence march merthyr on 20:06 - Sep 28 with 1366 views | bluey_the_blue |
| Independence march merthyr on 19:37 - Sep 28 by ladyjack |
The thrust of the observations are Labour voters are becoming more and more pro Welsh independence as in Labour for Welsh independence groups, Drakeford's unionism is not 'unconditional', Welsh Labour leadership talking about independence, first Carwyn now Drakeford, there is a sense of things changing. |
And again, Trampie, that fvcks over Labours chances in parliament adversely.
Corbyn and Milne will not be happy, Drakeford will be sent to the gulag.... | | | |
| Independence march merthyr on 20:13 - Sep 28 with 1360 views | ladyjack |
| Independence march merthyr on 20:06 - Sep 28 by bluey_the_blue |
And again, Trampie, that fvcks over Labours chances in parliament adversely.
Corbyn and Milne will not be happy, Drakeford will be sent to the gulag.... |
Welsh Labour voters are not all suddenly going to vote Plaid and as regards Westminster, Labour voters are still in the main going to vote Labour, its just if there was an independence referendum more and more ordinary Labour voters would vote 'yes' to Welsh independence. | | | |
| Independence march merthyr on 09:44 - Sep 29 with 1300 views | johnlangy |
I know you all watch Newsnight every single night (  ) but just for those few of you who don't, there was a section of Friday's programme called 'The State Of the Union' (or similar). It's a four parter. Sotland was the Friday one.
Also, talking about the very large percentage of English people living in Wales and how that may adversely affect the pro indy argument, there is now a English Welsh For Indy group. So all you English posters on this forum, join up.
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| Independence march merthyr on 09:49 - Sep 29 with 1296 views | bluey_the_blue |
| Independence march merthyr on 20:13 - Sep 28 by ladyjack |
Welsh Labour voters are not all suddenly going to vote Plaid and as regards Westminster, Labour voters are still in the main going to vote Labour, its just if there was an independence referendum more and more ordinary Labour voters would vote 'yes' to Welsh independence. |
I realise you're thicker than a nuclear bunker wall, trampie, so I'll explain it by typing very slowly, just for you.
Wales votes Labour or Plaid. Few Conservatives. Remove the Welsh seats from Parliament and guess what? Labour lose more seats in HoC than Tories do.
Get independence, Labour will only rarely win an election in England... especially when boundaries re-aligned to match modern demographics - current setup disproportionately favouring Labour. | | | |
| Independence march merthyr on 09:54 - Sep 29 with 1287 views | ladyjack |
| Independence march merthyr on 09:49 - Sep 29 by bluey_the_blue |
I realise you're thicker than a nuclear bunker wall, trampie, so I'll explain it by typing very slowly, just for you.
Wales votes Labour or Plaid. Few Conservatives. Remove the Welsh seats from Parliament and guess what? Labour lose more seats in HoC than Tories do.
Get independence, Labour will only rarely win an election in England... especially when boundaries re-aligned to match modern demographics - current setup disproportionately favouring Labour. |
Labour voters in the main are going to continue to vote Labour, so no difference to the make up of Westminster, the Labour party will not be on the ballot paper for any Welsh independence referendum. | | | |
| Independence march merthyr on 09:55 - Sep 29 with 1287 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Independence march merthyr on 09:49 - Sep 29 by bluey_the_blue |
I realise you're thicker than a nuclear bunker wall, trampie, so I'll explain it by typing very slowly, just for you.
Wales votes Labour or Plaid. Few Conservatives. Remove the Welsh seats from Parliament and guess what? Labour lose more seats in HoC than Tories do.
Get independence, Labour will only rarely win an election in England... especially when boundaries re-aligned to match modern demographics - current setup disproportionately favouring Labour. |
But wales won’t care how England votes post-independence. |  |
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| Independence march merthyr on 10:37 - Sep 29 with 1268 views | bluey_the_blue |
| Independence march merthyr on 09:55 - Sep 29 by exiledclaseboy |
But wales won’t care how England votes post-independence. |
Indeed, but Labour sure as hell will.
You think they would want to trigger any independence that would damage their electoral chances? | | | |
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