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Trump starting to sweat over Ukraine 17:58 - Sep 30 with 2906 viewsAce_Jack

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/09/25/transcript-ukraine-phone-call-shows-

Impeachment proceedings rolling after Trump pressured Ukraine to investigate Joe Biden 8 times on the telephone whilst withholding military aid which they needed to counter Russian aggression.

The real estate hustler has been caught shaking down another country and now he knows he's f**ked. He's spent this afternoon implying his political opponents should be arrested for treason because they are investigating him. I'm sure the small government, constitutional conservatives will be infuriated!

Trump is starting to look like a squeezed c0ck and he could go full tyrant as the sycophants in the GOP stand by while he trades away the separation of powers for a few more days running up tabs in his hotels on the government card.

Now we wait for Bluey and Tummer to tell us why its totally fine for the President of the USA to withhold military aid for spurious reasons whilst simultaneously inviting a foreign country to interfere in an upcoming election.
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Trump starting to sweat over Ukraine on 12:40 - Oct 3 with 610 viewsAce_Jack

Trump starting to sweat over Ukraine on 12:38 - Oct 3 by A_Fans_Dad

Sorry, you are wrong, the Spy did not follow the rules, there are special circumstances for reporting to anyone else and they did not meet them.
He colluded with Schiff, there is a classic case of collusion.

They even had to change the whistleblower report form to make the person eligible, if there was not collusion how would they know to do so?

Try again.


HAHAHAHAHA nope.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/whistleblowers-firsthand-knowledge/
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Trump starting to sweat over Ukraine on 12:48 - Oct 3 with 598 viewsHighjack

Trump starting to sweat over Ukraine on 12:40 - Oct 3 by Ace_Jack

HAHAHAHAHA nope.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/whistleblowers-firsthand-knowledge/


This isn’t really related to this thread but how much trust can we put into these ‘fact checking’ websites that have sprung up all over the place? Who fact checks the fact checkers? How many facts must the fact checkers check until the fact checker checkers can check facts?

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Trump starting to sweat over Ukraine on 13:17 - Oct 3 with 589 viewsA_Fans_Dad

Trump starting to sweat over Ukraine on 12:40 - Oct 3 by Ace_Jack

HAHAHAHAHA nope.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/whistleblowers-firsthand-knowledge/


And you actually think that that is an answer?
Wow, where are the references to the actual documentation?
How naive of you to believe a Democrat backed site to provide the truth.
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Trump starting to sweat over Ukraine on 13:35 - Oct 3 with 575 viewsAce_Jack

Trump starting to sweat over Ukraine on 13:17 - Oct 3 by A_Fans_Dad

And you actually think that that is an answer?
Wow, where are the references to the actual documentation?
How naive of you to believe a Democrat backed site to provide the truth.


Here's a statement from the Office of the Inspector General of the Intelligence
Community shooting your assertion to sh*t. The current IG is a Trump appointee. This is a Republican calling bullsh*t on obvious bullsh*t.

The whistleblower did not need first hand information and no rules have been changed. Try again.

https://www.dni.gov/files/ICIG/Documents/News/ICIG%20News/2019/September%2030%20
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Trump starting to sweat over Ukraine on 13:40 - Oct 3 with 564 viewsA_Fans_Dad

Trump starting to sweat over Ukraine on 13:35 - Oct 3 by Ace_Jack

Here's a statement from the Office of the Inspector General of the Intelligence
Community shooting your assertion to sh*t. The current IG is a Trump appointee. This is a Republican calling bullsh*t on obvious bullsh*t.

The whistleblower did not need first hand information and no rules have been changed. Try again.

https://www.dni.gov/files/ICIG/Documents/News/ICIG%20News/2019/September%2030%20


That would be the same IG that has just let off yet another Deep State law breaker who was found guilty but not charged.
https://truepundit.com/inspector-general-protects-another-justice-department-cri
OK.
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Trump starting to sweat over Ukraine on 13:46 - Oct 3 with 566 viewsAce_Jack

Trump starting to sweat over Ukraine on 13:40 - Oct 3 by A_Fans_Dad

That would be the same IG that has just let off yet another Deep State law breaker who was found guilty but not charged.
https://truepundit.com/inspector-general-protects-another-justice-department-cri
OK.


Omg you're actually mental. You might as well be arguing for the flat earth.
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Trump starting to sweat over Ukraine on 14:06 - Oct 3 with 551 viewsA_Fans_Dad

Trump starting to sweat over Ukraine on 13:46 - Oct 3 by Ace_Jack

Omg you're actually mental. You might as well be arguing for the flat earth.


Did you actually bother to read that statement by the IG, it is full of contradictions.
For instance "As part of his determination that the urgent concern appeared credible, the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community determined that the Complainant had official and authorized access to the information"
Get that "official and authorized access to the information" when the person actually had hearsay and no access whatsoever. ie the IG either doesn't understand what he wrote or he lied.
Then there is this
"The law also required that the Complainant provide a complaint or information with respect to an “urgent concern,” which is defined, in relevant part, as: “A serious or flagrant problem, abuse, violation of the law or Executive order, or deficiency relating to the funding, administration, or operation of an intelligence activity within the responsibility and authority of the Director of National Intelligence involving classified information, but does not include differences of opinions concerning public policy matters."
Note "involving classified information"
What in the phone call was "classified information"?

So we have an IG that does not seem to know what his duties are and when he does have criminal behavoir in his organistion he is "not inclined to prosecute".
Pretty much the standard for most of the DOJ, FBI, CIA and the NIA.
Like I said in my first post we will just have to wait and see what transpires.
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Trump starting to sweat over Ukraine on 14:22 - Oct 3 with 550 viewsAce_Jack

Trump starting to sweat over Ukraine on 14:06 - Oct 3 by A_Fans_Dad

Did you actually bother to read that statement by the IG, it is full of contradictions.
For instance "As part of his determination that the urgent concern appeared credible, the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community determined that the Complainant had official and authorized access to the information"
Get that "official and authorized access to the information" when the person actually had hearsay and no access whatsoever. ie the IG either doesn't understand what he wrote or he lied.
Then there is this
"The law also required that the Complainant provide a complaint or information with respect to an “urgent concern,” which is defined, in relevant part, as: “A serious or flagrant problem, abuse, violation of the law or Executive order, or deficiency relating to the funding, administration, or operation of an intelligence activity within the responsibility and authority of the Director of National Intelligence involving classified information, but does not include differences of opinions concerning public policy matters."
Note "involving classified information"
What in the phone call was "classified information"?

So we have an IG that does not seem to know what his duties are and when he does have criminal behavoir in his organistion he is "not inclined to prosecute".
Pretty much the standard for most of the DOJ, FBI, CIA and the NIA.
Like I said in my first post we will just have to wait and see what transpires.


You have a fascinating way of interpreting language. Are you a free man on the land by any chance?

The whistleblower wasn't acting on hearsay. That's wrong. In any case, his report has been corroborated by the released White House transcript!

"The law also required that the Complainant provide a complaint or information with respect to an “urgent concern,” which is defined, in relevant part, as: “A serious or flagrant problem, abuse, violation of the law or Executive order, or deficiency relating to the funding, administration, or operation of an intelligence activity within the responsibility and authority of the Director of National Intelligence involving classified information, but does not include differences of opinions concerning public policy matters."

No disrespect but can you actually read?

1) The complaint doesn't need to concern classified information.
2) There are several levels of classification
3) The transcript of the call was stored on a server for information that required elevated security.

You're making a fool of yourself at this point.
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Trump starting to sweat over Ukraine on 14:22 - Oct 3 with 544 viewsA_Fans_Dad

Oh look the original IC IG statement about the form was a lie by ommission.
See the latest statement.


Is this guy just totally incompetent or a liar.
I think he is a liar and try to cover his arse because he has been caught in culluding against a sitting President.
Is that classed as sedition or Treason?
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Trump starting to sweat over Ukraine on 14:25 - Oct 3 with 546 viewsAce_Jack

Trump starting to sweat over Ukraine on 14:22 - Oct 3 by A_Fans_Dad

Oh look the original IC IG statement about the form was a lie by ommission.
See the latest statement.


Is this guy just totally incompetent or a liar.
I think he is a liar and try to cover his arse because he has been caught in culluding against a sitting President.
Is that classed as sedition or Treason?


No it wasn't. This is the same point that I have clearly debunked.

An embedded tweet on the matter doesn't change a thing.
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Trump starting to sweat over Ukraine on 14:33 - Oct 3 with 534 viewsA_Fans_Dad

Trump starting to sweat over Ukraine on 14:25 - Oct 3 by Ace_Jack

No it wasn't. This is the same point that I have clearly debunked.

An embedded tweet on the matter doesn't change a thing.


Try this version
https://thefederalist.com/2019/09/30/intel-ig-admits-it-secretly-erased-first-ha
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Trump starting to sweat over Ukraine on 14:40 - Oct 3 with 531 viewsAce_Jack

Trump starting to sweat over Ukraine on 14:33 - Oct 3 by A_Fans_Dad

Try this version
https://thefederalist.com/2019/09/30/intel-ig-admits-it-secretly-erased-first-ha


The Federalist story was the original source of this horsesh*t and it's already been debunked.

The whole story is predicated on the IG changing terminology in a form because morons like yourself have interpreted it incorrectly. The fact you continue to double down and see this as some proof of conspiracy is cringeworthy.

1) No rules were changed. Even the President can't unilaterally change the whistleblower rules. It would require an act of congress.
2) Whistleblowers still don't need first hand information only. Thats never been the case and the amendments to the form don't alter that.
3) The whistleblower in this case has first hand AND second hand information, making your whole argument flawed from the first point of contact anyway.

You're probably just trolling at this point which is sad. If you believe this w@nk like Tummer, that might be even sadder.
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Trump starting to sweat over Ukraine on 16:23 - Oct 3 with 483 viewsmonmouth

Trump starting to sweat over Ukraine on 14:40 - Oct 3 by Ace_Jack

The Federalist story was the original source of this horsesh*t and it's already been debunked.

The whole story is predicated on the IG changing terminology in a form because morons like yourself have interpreted it incorrectly. The fact you continue to double down and see this as some proof of conspiracy is cringeworthy.

1) No rules were changed. Even the President can't unilaterally change the whistleblower rules. It would require an act of congress.
2) Whistleblowers still don't need first hand information only. Thats never been the case and the amendments to the form don't alter that.
3) The whistleblower in this case has first hand AND second hand information, making your whole argument flawed from the first point of contact anyway.

You're probably just trolling at this point which is sad. If you believe this w@nk like Tummer, that might be even sadder.
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There are some trolling multiple identities on this site. It's odds on 'fans dad' who's been here for about 5 years or more with never a mention of 'Fan' is one. Probably Jango or another one of the terminally braindead mob, although this one seems even more stupid, about every conceivable topic. Must be an attempt to troll.

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Trump starting to sweat over Ukraine on 17:39 - Oct 3 with 459 viewsHumpty

Trump starting to sweat over Ukraine on 14:40 - Oct 3 by Ace_Jack

The Federalist story was the original source of this horsesh*t and it's already been debunked.

The whole story is predicated on the IG changing terminology in a form because morons like yourself have interpreted it incorrectly. The fact you continue to double down and see this as some proof of conspiracy is cringeworthy.

1) No rules were changed. Even the President can't unilaterally change the whistleblower rules. It would require an act of congress.
2) Whistleblowers still don't need first hand information only. Thats never been the case and the amendments to the form don't alter that.
3) The whistleblower in this case has first hand AND second hand information, making your whole argument flawed from the first point of contact anyway.

You're probably just trolling at this point which is sad. If you believe this w@nk like Tummer, that might be even sadder.
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I think he does genuinely believe the shit he spouts.

He's that far gone.

And there's millions of them.
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Trump starting to sweat over Ukraine on 17:40 - Oct 3 with 457 viewsHumpty

Trump starting to sweat over Ukraine on 12:48 - Oct 3 by Highjack

This isn’t really related to this thread but how much trust can we put into these ‘fact checking’ websites that have sprung up all over the place? Who fact checks the fact checkers? How many facts must the fact checkers check until the fact checker checkers can check facts?


A hell of a lot more trust than in anything Trump and his cult followers put out.
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Trump starting to sweat over Ukraine on 11:08 - Oct 4 with 335 viewsAce_Jack

Trump starting to sweat over Ukraine on 17:40 - Oct 3 by Humpty

A hell of a lot more trust than in anything Trump and his cult followers put out.
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Yeah but Trumps IG that he appointed is part of the deep state or something. Fact check that!

The snopes article was based on the IGs statement which clearly explained why the conspiracy nuts were exactly that. If you can't trust that, you probably need to reassess your meds.
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Trump starting to sweat over Ukraine on 23:28 - Oct 6 with 234 viewsEbo

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Trump starting to sweat over Ukraine on 14:15 - Oct 8 with 113 viewsAce_Jack

If a trial makes it as far as the senate, I can't imagine pi55ing Senators like Mitt Romney off is going to help...

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Trump starting to sweat over Ukraine on 14:22 - Oct 8 with 108 viewsA_Fans_Dad

Trump starting to sweat over Ukraine on 16:23 - Oct 3 by monmouth

There are some trolling multiple identities on this site. It's odds on 'fans dad' who's been here for about 5 years or more with never a mention of 'Fan' is one. Probably Jango or another one of the terminally braindead mob, although this one seems even more stupid, about every conceivable topic. Must be an attempt to troll.


I only have the one ID and if my son wanted to be known on here he would post himself, but he doesn't and neither do his kids.
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