| Anyone voting Conservative must be mad ? 11:40 - Nov 6 with 29621 views | ladyjack |
Anyone voting Conservative must be mad and or selfish, the majority of people are politically illiterate due to a lack of interest in politics and that many people are selfish and that lots are brainwashed by the media and press but anyone voting Conservative will be helping to continue doing lasting damage to the country and i'm a so called Welsh nationalist where in a perverse way a Conservative majority would be the best possible result in helping to break up the UK so that an independent Wales would then have the opportunity of voting in a party that distributes wealth more equally, I wouldn't want to see even more and more extreme right wing policies enforced on the people. |  | | |  |
| Anyone voting Conservative must be mad ? on 01:04 - Nov 18 with 1496 views | Ebo |
| Anyone voting Conservative must be mad ? on 00:08 - Nov 18 by Kerouac |
You haven't heard about this person's anti-Semitism?
Or are you just pretending to be thick? |
I was following her posts on Twitter this weekend and the abuse she got for this poster was vile, absolutely vile. How she stayed calm over it I'll never know. The whole point of this image was to portray that Wales can be/is a diverse country and not an unwelcoming one. A point that went way over the gammons heads. It triggered them off the scale. |  |
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| Anyone voting Conservative must be mad ? on 01:17 - Nov 18 with 1475 views | Kerouac |
| Anyone voting Conservative must be mad ? on 00:55 - Nov 18 by Humpty |
I didn't know about the Plaid story until your post. When did that break? The only article I can find is from the BBC and that says 4 hours ago. Pitying me for not knowing about a story that broke a few hours ago when I was out seems a little strong. Thanks for your concern though.
I'm not pretending or being devious at all, honestly. The thought of you accusing people of "pretending" amuses me greatly though.
I'm not bothered about a political party using an antisemite in their ad campaign? When did I toss the word islamophobe about? I couldn't give less of a shit about Jewish people?
Are you mad?
I have no time for antisemitism or any other form of racism. I'm one of those weirdos though that think it's wrong whoever it comes from. To me it's not just a handy political tool used to attack those you don't like. My posting history would confirm this as I've criticized Labour because of it on a number of occasions.
F*cking idiot. |
Yeahhh, 'course.
I just imagined that you were on the other thread discussing anti-Semitism within the Labour party (you know, the thread where I pointed out to Trampie the story about the girl in the Plaid poster) from 10/10.30ish...you obviously didn't click on the link to that story as you're not interested in that subject matter are you.
Yeah, it will be me that's "pretending", 'course.
"I'm not bothered about a political party using an antisemite in their ad campaign? When did I toss the word islamophobe about? I couldn't give less of a shit about Jewish people? "
- you jump on anything that could be considered racist...which is why you responded to my initial post on this thread. Yet on a thread where the Labour Party's lack of response to yet another Anti-semitism scandal was being discussed, a thread which contained many Labour party supporters defending the Labour party, you say NOTHING to them. Why?
Again, you want to do abuse I can do abuse with you, but don't go crying about it, making yourself out to be a victim in any way, ok love. |  |
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| Anyone voting Conservative must be mad ? on 01:30 - Nov 18 with 1476 views | Humpty |
| Anyone voting Conservative must be mad ? on 01:17 - Nov 18 by Kerouac |
Yeahhh, 'course.
I just imagined that you were on the other thread discussing anti-Semitism within the Labour party (you know, the thread where I pointed out to Trampie the story about the girl in the Plaid poster) from 10/10.30ish...you obviously didn't click on the link to that story as you're not interested in that subject matter are you.
Yeah, it will be me that's "pretending", 'course.
"I'm not bothered about a political party using an antisemite in their ad campaign? When did I toss the word islamophobe about? I couldn't give less of a shit about Jewish people? "
- you jump on anything that could be considered racist...which is why you responded to my initial post on this thread. Yet on a thread where the Labour Party's lack of response to yet another Anti-semitism scandal was being discussed, a thread which contained many Labour party supporters defending the Labour party, you say NOTHING to them. Why?
Again, you want to do abuse I can do abuse with you, but don't go crying about it, making yourself out to be a victim in any way, ok love. |
Christ here we go.
Just briefly, I honestly did not know about the Plaid story until you posted about it on this thread. You can disbelieve me if you like but you would be wrong.
I know this may be a difficult concept for you to grasp, but not everyone on the internet lies like f*ck and invents things. Have you ever heard of projection?
As for the second bit, no I didn't reply to the thread you're on about. Guess what? I don't reply to every f*cking thread. I've posted a number of times about Labour's antisemitism and their appalling response to it. If I don't do it every day it doesn't mean I'm a secret Labour loving antisemite.
You can have the last word. G'night. |  | | |
| Anyone voting Conservative must be mad ? on 07:48 - Nov 18 with 1440 views | ladyjack |
Labour are well rid of Austin, but why was he even in the party ?, just shows how far right Labour lurched over the years. | | | |
| Anyone voting Conservative must be mad ? on 10:02 - Nov 18 with 1392 views | Best_loser |
| Anyone voting Conservative must be mad ? on 07:48 - Nov 18 by ladyjack |
Labour are well rid of Austin, but why was he even in the party ?, just shows how far right Labour lurched over the years. |
And that so called lurch to the right resulted in 3 election victories,
The lurch to the left has made labour unelectable
Some people need to get real, if the Tories win a majority and momentum install one of their choices, it's all over |  | | |
| Anyone voting Conservative must be mad ? on 10:29 - Nov 18 with 1378 views | ladyjack |
| Anyone voting Conservative must be mad ? on 10:02 - Nov 18 by Best_loser |
And that so called lurch to the right resulted in 3 election victories,
The lurch to the left has made labour unelectable
Some people need to get real, if the Tories win a majority and momentum install one of their choices, it's all over |
Labour were and should be a left wing socialist party, that is their 'brand', NuLabour is a Tory party created by Margaret Thatcher, these NuLabour people should form their own party with their own name or join the Liberals, Lib-Dems, Change or the SDP or something and not use the Labour 'brand' as they are not Socialists and should not be in the Labour party, truth be told they are closer to the Conservative party than old Labour, after all its often said that Tony Blair was a bigger Tory than Mrs Thatcher .
If the people don't want to vote for a real Socialist party then there is not much Socialists can do about it except continue to bang the drum, Labour needs to be true to its roots. | | | |
| Anyone voting Conservative must be mad ? on 10:36 - Nov 18 with 1370 views | Uxbridge |
| Anyone voting Conservative must be mad ? on 18:47 - Nov 15 by ladyjack |
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She set Plaid back 10 years at least. She's the main reason they're in no fit state to take advantage of this absolute vacuum of competence. |  |
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| Anyone voting Conservative must be mad ? on 10:42 - Nov 18 with 1370 views | Best_loser |
| Anyone voting Conservative must be mad ? on 10:29 - Nov 18 by ladyjack |
Labour were and should be a left wing socialist party, that is their 'brand', NuLabour is a Tory party created by Margaret Thatcher, these NuLabour people should form their own party with their own name or join the Liberals, Lib-Dems, Change or the SDP or something and not use the Labour 'brand' as they are not Socialists and should not be in the Labour party, truth be told they are closer to the Conservative party than old Labour, after all its often said that Tony Blair was a bigger Tory than Mrs Thatcher .
If the people don't want to vote for a real Socialist party then there is not much Socialists can do about it except continue to bang the drum, Labour needs to be true to its roots. |
The truth is most labour mp s are centrist, most labour voters are centrist, a large bulk of the membership are extreme left, you may well get your wish but you will never be in power, the poor will suffer yet another tory government and you lot I'll be responsible for it, you turned labour into the SWP so good luck with that | | | |
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| Anyone voting Conservative must be mad ? on 11:06 - Nov 18 with 1356 views | ladyjack |
| Anyone voting Conservative must be mad ? on 10:42 - Nov 18 by Best_loser |
The truth is most labour mp s are centrist, most labour voters are centrist, a large bulk of the membership are extreme left, you may well get your wish but you will never be in power, the poor will suffer yet another tory government and you lot I'll be responsible for it, you turned labour into the SWP so good luck with that |
Yes most Labour mps are centrist and yes a large bulk of the grassroots are on the left, these centrist mps don't represent their grassroots membership, these centrist mps should be in a party that advertises itself as being in the centre and not the Labour party.
The poor will suffer because the people vote Conservative, NuLabour are not the party of the poor or people on benefits [eg lower working class] as their shadow secretary for work and pensions said a few years ago.
Labour was the party of Keir Hardie, Clement Atlee, Nye Bevan, Tony Benn and Michael Foot it should not be the party of the Red Tories. | | | |
| Anyone voting Conservative must be mad ? on 11:15 - Nov 18 with 1347 views | ladyjack |
| Anyone voting Conservative must be mad ? on 10:36 - Nov 18 by Uxbridge |
She set Plaid back 10 years at least. She's the main reason they're in no fit state to take advantage of this absolute vacuum of competence. |
Leanne saved Plaid, Plaid was slipping down the rankings Leanne turned that around and stopped the slide. | | | |
| Anyone voting Conservative must be mad ? on 11:17 - Nov 18 with 1343 views | Best_loser |
| Anyone voting Conservative must be mad ? on 11:06 - Nov 18 by ladyjack |
Yes most Labour mps are centrist and yes a large bulk of the grassroots are on the left, these centrist mps don't represent their grassroots membership, these centrist mps should be in a party that advertises itself as being in the centre and not the Labour party.
The poor will suffer because the people vote Conservative, NuLabour are not the party of the poor or people on benefits [eg lower working class] as their shadow secretary for work and pensions said a few years ago.
Labour was the party of Keir Hardie, Clement Atlee, Nye Bevan, Tony Benn and Michael Foot it should not be the party of the Red Tories. |
To win elections mps need to represent their voters, not their local party membership
Those historical names you mentioned would be turning in their graves at the takeover of their party by momentum, your just dreamers
The tooting popular front ain't going to happen [Post edited 18 Nov 2019 11:20]
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| Anyone voting Conservative must be mad ? on 11:36 - Nov 18 with 1330 views | ladyjack |
| Anyone voting Conservative must be mad ? on 11:17 - Nov 18 by Best_loser |
To win elections mps need to represent their voters, not their local party membership
Those historical names you mentioned would be turning in their graves at the takeover of their party by momentum, your just dreamers
The tooting popular front ain't going to happen [Post edited 18 Nov 2019 11:20]
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Momentum are the type of people that have always been in Labour, Red Tories have not, as regards voters they can vote for the Liberals or others of such ilk, its not for Labour to stand as Liberals, Labour should stand as a Socialist party. | | | |
| Anyone voting Conservative must be mad ? on 23:43 - Nov 19 with 1254 views | ladyjack |
I notice the cameras at tonight's Wales game picked out Plaids Aberafan Westminster candidate giving it large in support of the boys.  | | | |
| Anyone voting Conservative must be mad ? on 02:25 - Nov 20 with 1211 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Anyone voting Conservative must be mad ? on 11:17 - Nov 18 by Best_loser |
To win elections mps need to represent their voters, not their local party membership
Those historical names you mentioned would be turning in their graves at the takeover of their party by momentum, your just dreamers
The tooting popular front ain't going to happen [Post edited 18 Nov 2019 11:20]
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I think you need to read some of their speeches. Benn in particular, especially his views on the EU and Blair’s term in power. |  |
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| Anyone voting Conservative must be mad ? on 09:12 - Nov 20 with 1161 views | Best_loser |
| Anyone voting Conservative must be mad ? on 02:25 - Nov 20 by Brynmill_Jack |
I think you need to read some of their speeches. Benn in particular, especially his views on the EU and Blair’s term in power. |
What relevance are they in 2019 ?, His son believes in remaining and doesn't like momentum, labour has been infiltrated by extremists and now the tail wags the dog, | | | |
| Anyone voting Conservative must be mad ? on 09:15 - Nov 20 with 1154 views | Joe_bradshaw |
| Anyone voting Conservative must be mad ? on 09:12 - Nov 20 by Best_loser |
What relevance are they in 2019 ?, His son believes in remaining and doesn't like momentum, labour has been infiltrated by extremists and now the tail wags the dog, |
The party is its membership. The tail has become the dog and Momentum have a solid grip of the party. If Corbyn goes after the election Labour's problem will be that Momentum will ensure that his successor is another one of theirs. |  |
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| Anyone voting Conservative must be mad ? on 09:25 - Nov 20 with 1150 views | Best_loser |
| Anyone voting Conservative must be mad ? on 09:15 - Nov 20 by Joe_bradshaw |
The party is its membership. The tail has become the dog and Momentum have a solid grip of the party. If Corbyn goes after the election Labour's problem will be that Momentum will ensure that his successor is another one of theirs. |
Yes, and no election victories as infinitum, what's the bloody point, you can't change anything without power, if keir starmer was leader now the Tories would have no chance of getting a majority | | | |
| Anyone voting Conservative must be mad ? on 10:06 - Nov 20 with 1137 views | Morfa_Same |
| Anyone voting Conservative must be mad ? on 11:36 - Nov 18 by ladyjack |
Momentum are the type of people that have always been in Labour, Red Tories have not, as regards voters they can vote for the Liberals or others of such ilk, its not for Labour to stand as Liberals, Labour should stand as a Socialist party. |
Whereas you are right that Labour was founded as a socialist party, you also have to accept that the world has changed and there is no chance of a socialist party getting elected in modern times. The 1950s are long gone and Momentum means a perpetual Tory government. I was born in the 1970s and the only time in my lifetime there hasn't been a Tory government was during Blair's New Labour years. Labour need to move with the times and recognise just how much more support they could be getting if they embraced being a centre-left party. |  | | |
| Anyone voting Conservative must be mad ? on 10:13 - Nov 20 with 1134 views | Lohengrin |
| Anyone voting Conservative must be mad ? on 10:36 - Nov 18 by Uxbridge |
She set Plaid back 10 years at least. She's the main reason they're in no fit state to take advantage of this absolute vacuum of competence. |
This her expressing solidarity, as you do, with a frothing a Jew baiter.
Strange woman. |  |
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| Anyone voting Conservative must be mad ? on 10:47 - Nov 20 with 1115 views | ladyjack |
| Anyone voting Conservative must be mad ? on 10:06 - Nov 20 by Morfa_Same |
Whereas you are right that Labour was founded as a socialist party, you also have to accept that the world has changed and there is no chance of a socialist party getting elected in modern times. The 1950s are long gone and Momentum means a perpetual Tory government. I was born in the 1970s and the only time in my lifetime there hasn't been a Tory government was during Blair's New Labour years. Labour need to move with the times and recognise just how much more support they could be getting if they embraced being a centre-left party. |
There is little point in voting for another Tory party, may as well vote for the real thing and vote Conservative or if that is too much to handle vote Lib-Dem, completely turning Labour into another Tory party means there is no left of centre choice out of the mainstream parties and that cant be a good thing. | | | |
| Anyone voting Conservative must be mad ? on 11:08 - Nov 20 with 1106 views | Best_loser |
| Anyone voting Conservative must be mad ? on 10:06 - Nov 20 by Morfa_Same |
Whereas you are right that Labour was founded as a socialist party, you also have to accept that the world has changed and there is no chance of a socialist party getting elected in modern times. The 1950s are long gone and Momentum means a perpetual Tory government. I was born in the 1970s and the only time in my lifetime there hasn't been a Tory government was during Blair's New Labour years. Labour need to move with the times and recognise just how much more support they could be getting if they embraced being a centre-left party. |
Momentum means perpetual tory governments, and that will be their legacy, labour needs to start another party , momentum would prefer a tory government than a labour government that's not completely following their agenda, they don't care about the poor , most of them are from bourgeois backgrounds, | | | |
| Anyone voting Conservative must be mad ? on 11:16 - Nov 20 with 1100 views | Lohengrin |
| Anyone voting Conservative must be mad ? on 10:06 - Nov 20 by Morfa_Same |
Whereas you are right that Labour was founded as a socialist party, you also have to accept that the world has changed and there is no chance of a socialist party getting elected in modern times. The 1950s are long gone and Momentum means a perpetual Tory government. I was born in the 1970s and the only time in my lifetime there hasn't been a Tory government was during Blair's New Labour years. Labour need to move with the times and recognise just how much more support they could be getting if they embraced being a centre-left party. |
” Whereas you are right that Labour was founded as a socialist party...
No, that’s not right. I’ve tried to explain to him the process by which The Labour Party was inaugurated but he’s constitutionally incapable of processing information that contradicts the false version of past events he wants to believe. | |
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| Anyone voting Conservative must be mad ? on 11:30 - Nov 20 with 1085 views | Morfa_Same |
| Anyone voting Conservative must be mad ? on 10:47 - Nov 20 by ladyjack |
There is little point in voting for another Tory party, may as well vote for the real thing and vote Conservative or if that is too much to handle vote Lib-Dem, completely turning Labour into another Tory party means there is no left of centre choice out of the mainstream parties and that cant be a good thing. |
Only Jeremy Corbyn would think centre-left means another Tory party. Socialism was all the rage in the 1950s but most of the world has moved on. There is a reason why Tory supporters were signing up to vote for Corbyn as Labour leader. There is a big demand for a centre-left party in the UK as proven by Tony Blair's huge majority but the FPTP election system is maintaining the stranglehold of the two big parties. In fact as the last European elections showed it's only the FPTP system that is preventing Labour from entirely disappearing down the plughole. | | | |
| Anyone voting Conservative must be mad ? on 11:35 - Nov 20 with 1078 views | ladyjack |
| Anyone voting Conservative must be mad ? on 11:30 - Nov 20 by Morfa_Same |
Only Jeremy Corbyn would think centre-left means another Tory party. Socialism was all the rage in the 1950s but most of the world has moved on. There is a reason why Tory supporters were signing up to vote for Corbyn as Labour leader. There is a big demand for a centre-left party in the UK as proven by Tony Blair's huge majority but the FPTP election system is maintaining the stranglehold of the two big parties. In fact as the last European elections showed it's only the FPTP system that is preventing Labour from entirely disappearing down the plughole. |
Tony Blair was a Tory, he got rid of Clause 4 | | | |
| Anyone voting Conservative must be mad ? on 11:38 - Nov 20 with 1071 views | ladyjack |
| Anyone voting Conservative must be mad ? on 11:08 - Nov 20 by Best_loser |
Momentum means perpetual tory governments, and that will be their legacy, labour needs to start another party , momentum would prefer a tory government than a labour government that's not completely following their agenda, they don't care about the poor , most of them are from bourgeois backgrounds, |
The Red Tories should start another party, NuLabour are not the party of people on benefits and don't forget that includes lots of low paid people in work. | | | |
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