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Anyone voting Conservative must be mad ? 11:40 - Nov 6 with 17130 viewsladyjack

Anyone voting Conservative must be mad and or selfish, the majority of people are politically illiterate due to a lack of interest in politics and that many people are selfish and that lots are brainwashed by the media and press but anyone voting Conservative will be helping to continue doing lasting damage to the country and i'm a so called Welsh nationalist where in a perverse way a Conservative majority would be the best possible result in helping to break up the UK so that an independent Wales would then have the opportunity of voting in a party that distributes wealth more equally, I wouldn't want to see even more and more extreme right wing policies enforced on the people.
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Anyone voting Conservative must be mad ? on 12:13 - Nov 7 with 1190 viewsA_Fans_Dad

Anyone voting Conservative must be mad ? on 12:09 - Nov 7 by jackrmee

Don't know much of her, but that sounds like a "maybe" answer to a question asked. Not necessarily her actual view on Mao.


Come on, you are making excuses now.
Labour are riddled with oddballs who support all kinds evil people.
At best Corbyn is a useful idiot.
But I think his ideologies make him a dangerous person to run a Party let alone a country.
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Anyone voting Conservative must be mad ? on 12:14 - Nov 7 with 1187 viewsjackrmee

Anyone voting Conservative must be mad ? on 12:08 - Nov 7 by Catullus

So he didn't support Chavez? Who's in this video then?



and is he talking about the same Chavez?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_Ch%C3%A1vez


That's not even the same guy is it? Thought the killer was Maduro

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Anyone voting Conservative must be mad ? on 12:16 - Nov 7 with 1183 viewsjackrmee

Anyone voting Conservative must be mad ? on 12:13 - Nov 7 by A_Fans_Dad

Come on, you are making excuses now.
Labour are riddled with oddballs who support all kinds evil people.
At best Corbyn is a useful idiot.
But I think his ideologies make him a dangerous person to run a Party let alone a country.


Na mate. Support is the wrong word.

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Anyone voting Conservative must be mad ? on 12:20 - Nov 7 with 1174 viewsA_Fans_Dad

Anyone voting Conservative must be mad ? on 12:16 - Nov 7 by jackrmee

Na mate. Support is the wrong word.


Well when a life long labour supporter and MP resigns, ie gives up £70,000 a year and says Corbyn is not suitable to be the party leader who do you believe?
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Anyone voting Conservative must be mad ? on 12:22 - Nov 7 with 1168 viewsjackrmee

Anyone voting Conservative must be mad ? on 12:20 - Nov 7 by A_Fans_Dad

Well when a life long labour supporter and MP resigns, ie gives up £70,000 a year and says Corbyn is not suitable to be the party leader who do you believe?


Probably realised that Corbyn isn't going to rob off the country to line his pockets, as he'd always been led to believe a career as a politician would bring him.

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Anyone voting Conservative must be mad ? on 12:34 - Nov 7 with 1146 viewsjackrabbit

Corbyn’s brand of Marxist socialism has never worked anywhere at any time in history - latest example, the sad and sorry Venezuela, and when we have one of his cronies declaring that ‘Britain should not have any billionaires’ you know you’re in the politics-of-envy territory - big time. It’s not what I would ever want for this country and it’s certainly not what I’d ever want to experience, especially at my time of life. And I doubt any of you would either.
The top 1% of earners in this country pay roughly 28% of our taxes. Are they going to stick around if Madman McDonnell moves into no. 11? This country is one of the best in the world to live in, even with all our problems, that’s why people risk and lose their lives to get here to live and work. Corby and co would destroy it. They won’t get the chance, if the polls are correct, and I hope to God they are.
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Anyone voting Conservative must be mad ? on 12:43 - Nov 7 with 1140 viewsjackrmee

Anyone voting Conservative must be mad ? on 12:34 - Nov 7 by jackrabbit

Corbyn’s brand of Marxist socialism has never worked anywhere at any time in history - latest example, the sad and sorry Venezuela, and when we have one of his cronies declaring that ‘Britain should not have any billionaires’ you know you’re in the politics-of-envy territory - big time. It’s not what I would ever want for this country and it’s certainly not what I’d ever want to experience, especially at my time of life. And I doubt any of you would either.
The top 1% of earners in this country pay roughly 28% of our taxes. Are they going to stick around if Madman McDonnell moves into no. 11? This country is one of the best in the world to live in, even with all our problems, that’s why people risk and lose their lives to get here to live and work. Corby and co would destroy it. They won’t get the chance, if the polls are correct, and I hope to God they are.


I disagree.
It might be marketed as the best country, but certainly doesn't feel like it.

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Anyone voting Conservative must be mad ? on 13:40 - Nov 7 with 1125 viewsLegend83

Anyone voting Conservative must be mad ? on 12:43 - Nov 7 by jackrmee

I disagree.
It might be marketed as the best country, but certainly doesn't feel like it.


Get a grip.

Go and spend some time in the slums of India, in Cartel-run Mexico, or pretty much the whole of Africa and tell me the average person in the UK has it tough.

Yes it's all relative but the idea that land-value tax grabs and compulsory equity handouts will create some socialist-heaven society is bonkers. A pure race to the bottom.
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Anyone voting Conservative must be mad ? on 13:45 - Nov 7 with 1121 viewsjackrmee

Anyone voting Conservative must be mad ? on 13:40 - Nov 7 by Legend83

Get a grip.

Go and spend some time in the slums of India, in Cartel-run Mexico, or pretty much the whole of Africa and tell me the average person in the UK has it tough.

Yes it's all relative but the idea that land-value tax grabs and compulsory equity handouts will create some socialist-heaven society is bonkers. A pure race to the bottom.


Never said we had it tough at all mate. Just questioned your statement that UK is one of the "best in the world to live in".

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Anyone voting Conservative must be mad ? on 14:55 - Nov 7 with 1087 viewsEbo

Anyone voting Conservative must be mad ? on 12:34 - Nov 7 by jackrabbit

Corbyn’s brand of Marxist socialism has never worked anywhere at any time in history - latest example, the sad and sorry Venezuela, and when we have one of his cronies declaring that ‘Britain should not have any billionaires’ you know you’re in the politics-of-envy territory - big time. It’s not what I would ever want for this country and it’s certainly not what I’d ever want to experience, especially at my time of life. And I doubt any of you would either.
The top 1% of earners in this country pay roughly 28% of our taxes. Are they going to stick around if Madman McDonnell moves into no. 11? This country is one of the best in the world to live in, even with all our problems, that’s why people risk and lose their lives to get here to live and work. Corby and co would destroy it. They won’t get the chance, if the polls are correct, and I hope to God they are.


Aye and look who stuck their big dirty noses into Venezuela - the USA. Sanctions and clandestine military support to claim natural resources.

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Anyone voting Conservative must be mad ? on 15:09 - Nov 7 with 1074 viewsjackrabbit

Anyone voting Conservative must be mad ? on 14:55 - Nov 7 by Ebo

Aye and look who stuck their big dirty noses into Venezuela - the USA. Sanctions and clandestine military support to claim natural resources.


You cannot seriously be attributing blame for Venezuela’s wretched predicament on the US?
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Anyone voting Conservative must be mad ? on 15:50 - Nov 7 with 1048 viewsA_Fans_Dad

Anyone voting Conservative must be mad ? on 15:09 - Nov 7 by jackrabbit

You cannot seriously be attributing blame for Venezuela’s wretched predicament on the US?


Hadn't you picked up on the Anti US feelings on this forum before?
Nowhere near as bad as the Anti Trump but still easy to discern
As is the Pro EU slant.
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Anyone voting Conservative must be mad ? on 16:09 - Nov 7 with 1035 viewsCatullus

It's often the same people as won't believe a bad word against Corbyn no matter the source.

Just my opinion, but WTF do I know anyway?
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Anyone voting Conservative must be mad ? on 16:14 - Nov 7 with 1034 viewsGreatBritton

Anyone voting Conservative must be mad ? on 10:36 - Nov 7 by jackrmee

Hasn't that always been the case?
However, I don't see how anyone can call Corbyn a kunt. He seems a very decent human being. I have never seen a politician like that in my lifetime. He may not be good at being a politician, but he cares about people and wants to change things for the better. Whether or not he can actually do that in practice is another matter, but how will we know if we don't give him the chance?
Surely it's better than going round and round in an endless circle if liars, conmen and generally nasty people who only want to line their's and their mates' pockets?


Quite right Jackrme. I was beginning to despair at the vaccillations of the Labour Party, and Corbyn's reticence about coming out and fulminating at all the iniquities of our broken society, but over the last few days I've been much more impressed by him. He's looking something like a statesman, rather than the student protestor that he's been for too long.

Set against the contemptible squirmings of Mogg and Ridgen and the alternatingly blustering and invisible Boris, anyone with any sense of decency, whatever their prior political leanings, should now be starting to think Labour could only be a better option than this corrupt pack of hyenas that call themselves Conservatives, or those deceitful chancers the Lib Dems
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Anyone voting Conservative must be mad ? on 16:27 - Nov 7 with 1017 viewsLeonWasGod

Anyone voting Conservative must be mad ? on 12:34 - Nov 7 by jackrabbit

Corbyn’s brand of Marxist socialism has never worked anywhere at any time in history - latest example, the sad and sorry Venezuela, and when we have one of his cronies declaring that ‘Britain should not have any billionaires’ you know you’re in the politics-of-envy territory - big time. It’s not what I would ever want for this country and it’s certainly not what I’d ever want to experience, especially at my time of life. And I doubt any of you would either.
The top 1% of earners in this country pay roughly 28% of our taxes. Are they going to stick around if Madman McDonnell moves into no. 11? This country is one of the best in the world to live in, even with all our problems, that’s why people risk and lose their lives to get here to live and work. Corby and co would destroy it. They won’t get the chance, if the polls are correct, and I hope to God they are.


This is one of the few things I agree with Labour on, billionaires isn't about the politics of envy. It's an amount of money beyond comprehension. People dream of being millionaires, not billionaires - hardly anyone would know what to do with that sort of money.

And billionaires aren't sticking around anyway - a third of British billionaires have relocated to tax havens in the last decade - https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/a-third-of-british-billionaires-have-moved-to (paywall, but what's visible says it all).

Someone on the average wage would have to work 34,482 years and 9 months to earn £1 billion. It's an obscene amount when poverty is rising. When you listen to their interviews, Labour seem to be saying these people should be targeted if they're doing all they can to avoid paying their fair share. Seems reasonable to me. When these people and corporations do everything they can to avoid paying their fare share of taxes and move money offshore taking it out of the system it screws us all over.
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Anyone voting Conservative must be mad ? on 17:02 - Nov 7 with 998 viewsLegend83

Anyone voting Conservative must be mad ? on 16:27 - Nov 7 by LeonWasGod

This is one of the few things I agree with Labour on, billionaires isn't about the politics of envy. It's an amount of money beyond comprehension. People dream of being millionaires, not billionaires - hardly anyone would know what to do with that sort of money.

And billionaires aren't sticking around anyway - a third of British billionaires have relocated to tax havens in the last decade - https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/a-third-of-british-billionaires-have-moved-to (paywall, but what's visible says it all).

Someone on the average wage would have to work 34,482 years and 9 months to earn £1 billion. It's an obscene amount when poverty is rising. When you listen to their interviews, Labour seem to be saying these people should be targeted if they're doing all they can to avoid paying their fair share. Seems reasonable to me. When these people and corporations do everything they can to avoid paying their fare share of taxes and move money offshore taking it out of the system it screws us all over.


But what is a fair share? If the tax legislation is leaky enough to allow billionaires to carry out these activities then it needs to be tightened up. But the risk you run is "fair share" becomes an open account for the Government to come after you with punitive action and you end up with a situation where "fair share" just becomes "more".

Consider the unintended consequences - business owners who own companies that employ thousands of people, suddenly less able / incentivised to invest; not forgetting that a significant amount of philanthropy is carried out by these individuals.

You are also into the arguments about whether you consider the Government the best judge of how to spend other people's money / tax.

Just playing devils advocate.
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Anyone voting Conservative must be mad ? on 19:45 - Nov 7 with 954 viewsexiledclaseboy

Anyone voting Conservative must be mad ? on 10:38 - Nov 7 by Catullus

"They alone could not deliver brexit"

Well that's a blatant misrepresentation of what happened. It wasn't the Tories alone that blocked brexit, it was Parliament, MP's from all sides who are pro remain (or in the ERG's case pro a harder brexit) stopped May's deal.
Those same MP's did their best to stop Bojo too.

To my way of thinking, how can anyone vote Labour? They tell us they'll negotiate a better deal (which would mean remaining in a customs union so brexit in name only) but then campaign against their own deal.Corbyn has sat on the fence so long he's become part of it.


Parliament voted for Johnson’s Brexit deal. We could have left by now. Then he pulled it.

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Anyone voting Conservative must be mad ? on 19:58 - Nov 7 with 939 viewsKilkennyjack

Anyone voting Conservative must be mad ? on 09:06 - Nov 7 by felixstowe_jack

Typical Republican no wonder there is such trouble in Ireland when people support terrorism.


No trouble in the north of Ireland for 20 years.

Did you just wake up from the 1970s ?

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Anyone voting Conservative must be mad ? on 21:13 - Nov 7 with 913 viewsjackrabbit

Anyone voting Conservative must be mad ? on 16:27 - Nov 7 by LeonWasGod

This is one of the few things I agree with Labour on, billionaires isn't about the politics of envy. It's an amount of money beyond comprehension. People dream of being millionaires, not billionaires - hardly anyone would know what to do with that sort of money.

And billionaires aren't sticking around anyway - a third of British billionaires have relocated to tax havens in the last decade - https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/a-third-of-british-billionaires-have-moved-to (paywall, but what's visible says it all).

Someone on the average wage would have to work 34,482 years and 9 months to earn £1 billion. It's an obscene amount when poverty is rising. When you listen to their interviews, Labour seem to be saying these people should be targeted if they're doing all they can to avoid paying their fair share. Seems reasonable to me. When these people and corporations do everything they can to avoid paying their fare share of taxes and move money offshore taking it out of the system it screws us all over.


Do you think they sit around all day counting their money and wondering where to spend it? Tremendously old fashioned view of wealth. It’s more like their wealth is a by-product of their commercial and intellectual activity. Do you think that people like Bill Gates or Steve Jobs set out to become billionaires? No way. Their ambition was to found technology companies based on an idea that they had nurtured - a pc operating system n the case of Gates and a desktop computer for the masses in the case of Jobs. Their fabulous success resulted in them becoming extremely rich, but that was a by product of their brilliance and entrepreneurship. They have created thousands of jobs and generated vast wealth through the taxes they have paid. That’s how free-market capitalism works. If you have a windows pc or an iPhone, you’re a direct beneficiary. If Jobs was alive he’d be worth about $23bn and he’d be worth every penny.
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Anyone voting Conservative must be mad ? on 21:21 - Nov 7 with 905 viewsbluey_the_blue

Anyone voting Conservative must be mad ? on 21:13 - Nov 7 by jackrabbit

Do you think they sit around all day counting their money and wondering where to spend it? Tremendously old fashioned view of wealth. It’s more like their wealth is a by-product of their commercial and intellectual activity. Do you think that people like Bill Gates or Steve Jobs set out to become billionaires? No way. Their ambition was to found technology companies based on an idea that they had nurtured - a pc operating system n the case of Gates and a desktop computer for the masses in the case of Jobs. Their fabulous success resulted in them becoming extremely rich, but that was a by product of their brilliance and entrepreneurship. They have created thousands of jobs and generated vast wealth through the taxes they have paid. That’s how free-market capitalism works. If you have a windows pc or an iPhone, you’re a direct beneficiary. If Jobs was alive he’d be worth about $23bn and he’d be worth every penny.


Gates didn't nurture an OS, bought one in, in terms of what became called MS-Dos. As for WIndows, OS/2 developed jointly with IBM was far superior until Gates shafted IBM...

Paul Allen was a far greater mind than Gates, yet Billy boy got all the credit.

Gates is and Jobs was an utter sh1t of a person...
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Anyone voting Conservative must be mad ? on 21:46 - Nov 7 with 890 viewsjackrabbit

Anyone voting Conservative must be mad ? on 21:21 - Nov 7 by bluey_the_blue

Gates didn't nurture an OS, bought one in, in terms of what became called MS-Dos. As for WIndows, OS/2 developed jointly with IBM was far superior until Gates shafted IBM...

Paul Allen was a far greater mind than Gates, yet Billy boy got all the credit.

Gates is and Jobs was an utter sh1t of a person...


What’s any of that got to do with anything? I’m well aware of the evolution of pc operating systems and the innovation that was Windows - inferior to Apple’s offering apparently at the time. That’s all semantics. My general points hold. And your comments about their personal qualities are inaccurate and irrelevant.
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Anyone voting Conservative must be mad ? on 21:46 - Nov 7 with 888 viewsJoe_bradshaw

Anyone voting Conservative must be mad ? on 21:21 - Nov 7 by bluey_the_blue

Gates didn't nurture an OS, bought one in, in terms of what became called MS-Dos. As for WIndows, OS/2 developed jointly with IBM was far superior until Gates shafted IBM...

Paul Allen was a far greater mind than Gates, yet Billy boy got all the credit.

Gates is and Jobs was an utter sh1t of a person...


Yet they speak and spoke so highly of you.

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Anyone voting Conservative must be mad ? on 22:05 - Nov 7 with 873 viewsLeonWasGod

Anyone voting Conservative must be mad ? on 21:13 - Nov 7 by jackrabbit

Do you think they sit around all day counting their money and wondering where to spend it? Tremendously old fashioned view of wealth. It’s more like their wealth is a by-product of their commercial and intellectual activity. Do you think that people like Bill Gates or Steve Jobs set out to become billionaires? No way. Their ambition was to found technology companies based on an idea that they had nurtured - a pc operating system n the case of Gates and a desktop computer for the masses in the case of Jobs. Their fabulous success resulted in them becoming extremely rich, but that was a by product of their brilliance and entrepreneurship. They have created thousands of jobs and generated vast wealth through the taxes they have paid. That’s how free-market capitalism works. If you have a windows pc or an iPhone, you’re a direct beneficiary. If Jobs was alive he’d be worth about $23bn and he’d be worth every penny.


No, and lot of wealth is tied up too.

Apple eh? Worth a $trillion and they're fighting a $14m tax bill. That's 0.000014%.

That'd be like one of us owning a typical house, maybe having a hundred £k put by in a pension pot, quibbling over a tax bill of £4.20 on our total worth. I suspect it's just about affordale for Apple when they're holding $252+ billion dolars of profits tax free off shore.

A bit like someone on an average salary being told to pay 40p annual income tax bill and them trying to get out of it.

Also, without wishing to sound like a Corbynite, their wealth is a by-product of their workers. Yes, the ideas and entrepreneurship lead the way, and need to be nurtured and encouraged for the sake of jobs, but the workers make their wealth.

Hmph.
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Anyone voting Conservative must be mad ? on 00:30 - Nov 8 with 846 viewsDJack

Anyone voting Conservative must be mad ? on 21:21 - Nov 7 by bluey_the_blue

Gates didn't nurture an OS, bought one in, in terms of what became called MS-Dos. As for WIndows, OS/2 developed jointly with IBM was far superior until Gates shafted IBM...

Paul Allen was a far greater mind than Gates, yet Billy boy got all the credit.

Gates is and Jobs was an utter sh1t of a person...


Wasn't MS-Dos stolen from Unix or summat?

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Anyone voting Conservative must be mad ? on 09:48 - Nov 8 with 773 viewsCatullus

Anyone voting Conservative must be mad ? on 19:58 - Nov 7 by Kilkennyjack

No trouble in the north of Ireland for 20 years.

Did you just wake up from the 1970s ?


No trouble for 20 years? Do you live in a world filtered of any news you don't want to hear? Or was the Lyra McKee story just more fake news, and this too,

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-10866072

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