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Labour manifesto 19:10 - Nov 21 with 31737 viewsFlashberryjack

Absolute fantastic, Corbyn will win the General Election by a country mile with this manifesto.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50497288

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Labour manifesto on 19:13 - Nov 21 with 6821 viewsexiledclaseboy

Tories’ turn on fantasy island tomorrow, Flash. It’s just a game.

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Labour manifesto on 19:17 - Nov 21 with 6799 views3swan

Labour manifesto on 19:13 - Nov 21 by exiledclaseboy

Tories’ turn on fantasy island tomorrow, Flash. It’s just a game.


A big game.

What was that statement a few years ago? We need to win back the trust of the public.

With every utterance, from whichever party, that trust gets less and less, from a very low start point.
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Labour manifesto on 19:20 - Nov 21 with 6787 viewsHighjack

Labour manifesto on 19:17 - Nov 21 by 3swan

A big game.

What was that statement a few years ago? We need to win back the trust of the public.

With every utterance, from whichever party, that trust gets less and less, from a very low start point.


They are all a complete joke. Every single party.

The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
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Labour manifesto on 19:20 - Nov 21 with 6791 viewsFlashberryjack

Labour manifesto on 19:13 - Nov 21 by exiledclaseboy

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You mean the Labour Party won't be implementing their manifesto ?

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Labour manifesto on 19:17 - Nov 21 by 3swan

A big game.

What was that statement a few years ago? We need to win back the trust of the public.

With every utterance, from whichever party, that trust gets less and less, from a very low start point.


I agree with you, I just don’t buy into the whole “this is the worst lot we’ve ever had” argument that we see regularly. Purely considering the two leaders it’s probably true but I’ve been a politics watcher for about 30 years and the campaigning hasn’t changed all that much. 24 hours news, technology and social media have changed the methods and levels of scrutiny but the basic tactic has always been the same. Vote for us and we’ll give you unicorns and loads of stuff. No, that lot are rubbish, vote for us and our unicorns and stuff instead.

There’s not much in Labour’s manifesto I disagree with to be honest. But no one reads those things as a credible programme for government wherever they originate from. Some of the high profile stuff will be done in the first year or so. The rest will be quietly dropped or diluted beyond recognition as reality intervenes. Such as it ever was.

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Labour manifesto on 19:24 - Nov 21 with 6772 viewsexiledclaseboy

Labour manifesto on 19:20 - Nov 21 by Flashberryjack

You mean the Labour Party won't be implementing their manifesto ?


God no. Nowhere near all of it anyway.

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Labour manifesto on 19:26 - Nov 21 with 6764 views3swan

Labour manifesto on 19:23 - Nov 21 by exiledclaseboy

I agree with you, I just don’t buy into the whole “this is the worst lot we’ve ever had” argument that we see regularly. Purely considering the two leaders it’s probably true but I’ve been a politics watcher for about 30 years and the campaigning hasn’t changed all that much. 24 hours news, technology and social media have changed the methods and levels of scrutiny but the basic tactic has always been the same. Vote for us and we’ll give you unicorns and loads of stuff. No, that lot are rubbish, vote for us and our unicorns and stuff instead.

There’s not much in Labour’s manifesto I disagree with to be honest. But no one reads those things as a credible programme for government wherever they originate from. Some of the high profile stuff will be done in the first year or so. The rest will be quietly dropped or diluted beyond recognition as reality intervenes. Such as it ever was.


Totally agree with promising the world and ending up getting a county.

Very true that it has been like this for years, and as you say it's more under the microscope now due to the advance in technology.
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Labour manifesto on 19:26 - Nov 21 with 6760 viewsFlashberryjack

Labour manifesto on 19:24 - Nov 21 by exiledclaseboy

God no. Nowhere near all of it anyway.


Lying ba*tards.

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Labour manifesto on 19:35 - Nov 21 with 6733 viewsBrynmill_Jack

Labour manifesto on 19:20 - Nov 21 by Highjack

They are all a complete joke. Every single party.


That’s very even handed of you

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Labour manifesto on 19:50 - Nov 21 with 6705 viewsDarran


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Labour manifesto on 05:33 - Nov 22 with 6559 viewsGlyn1

Labour manifesto on 19:20 - Nov 21 by Highjack

They are all a complete joke. Every single party.


Yes, that's definitely what the Conservatives want people to believe - all politicians and parties are the same so why bother changing them. But it isn't true.

It's also not correct that the parties don't carry out what they pledge in their manifestos. Maybe not all of it, but a lot of it. Labour promised to introduce a minimum wage (communism according to the Mail) - the Conservatives promised to reduce income tax and privatise a lot of areas to increase efficiency. Both of them made good on their pledges. Doesn't matter whether you agree or not with either, they both did what they said that they would.

People who say that the parties are the same are idiots.

Imagine if Labour had been re-elected under Gordon Brown in 2010, is there anyone who would say that the country would be the same today? It might be much worse or it might be much better, that's for you to decide for yourself, but it would be very different.

The parties are not the same, the politicians are not all the same and votes matter. Please use your vote on December 12.

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Labour manifesto on 08:13 - Nov 22 with 6491 viewsjackrmee

Labour manifesto on 19:24 - Nov 21 by exiledclaseboy

God no. Nowhere near all of it anyway.


Even if they manage to implement some, as you say in the first year or so, surely that's so much better than the other parties?
And Corbyn is the more likely of all the party leaders to actually want to do these things and not just barefaced lie to us.
My opinion of course.

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Labour manifesto on 08:15 - Nov 22 with 6489 viewsPegojack

Labour manifesto on 19:50 - Nov 21 by Darran



Tory mouthpiece in "badmouthing Labour manifesto" shocker.

Has he just had his fingers in the electric socket?
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Labour manifesto on 08:33 - Nov 22 with 6468 viewsjackrmee

Labour manifesto on 19:50 - Nov 21 by Darran



Whoever "The Core" is, can't even spell. "take hike", "with affecting individuals".
Surely you want to make sense, if you're trying to win people round?

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Labour manifesto on 08:36 - Nov 22 with 6460 viewsjackrmee

One of the (many) things I don't understand though...

If we are to re-nationalise stuff, won't we have to buy them back? Or can a government just take them back?
I mean, surely the rail, mail etc. have been sold off by previous governments, to the Chinese, French or other countries right? Why would they sell them back to us?

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Labour manifesto on 08:44 - Nov 22 with 6438 viewsowainglyndwr

I thought the same, if J C would follow it through the economy could benefit massively down here.
NHS
Living wage
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Labour manifesto on 09:31 - Nov 22 with 6377 viewsjohnlangy

Labour manifesto on 08:36 - Nov 22 by jackrmee

One of the (many) things I don't understand though...

If we are to re-nationalise stuff, won't we have to buy them back? Or can a government just take them back?
I mean, surely the rail, mail etc. have been sold off by previous governments, to the Chinese, French or other countries right? Why would they sell them back to us?


AFAIK the Railways are franchises (all of them ? Someone else please answer). When the franchise contract finishes the government can renew it or sell it on to a different provider. Or they can just keep it in house which costs nothing.

That's what happened with the East Coast mainline (Virgin from memory). The government took it back in house because the service was so awful. It was transformed into a well run railway then resold back into the market. I don't know what the service is like now.
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Labour manifesto on 09:42 - Nov 22 with 6363 viewsItchySphincter

Labour manifesto on 19:13 - Nov 21 by exiledclaseboy

Tories’ turn on fantasy island tomorrow, Flash. It’s just a game.


What's your thoughts on the Lib Dem's at the moment?

I've been out of the country for a couple of months so I've struggled to keep up with every detail but it seems like they really shot themselves in the foot with this Swinson character? Why put a Tory in charge when all they needed to do was go straight down the middle? Vince Cable may Tory-lite when it came to privatisation but at least he was a reasonably convincing politician.

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Labour manifesto on 10:06 - Nov 22 with 6331 viewsBest_loser

This election hinges on what the millions of tory remainers do, they fear the projections for a post brexit economy such as house prices possibly crashing by 30 percent, if enough of them vote tactically there will be a hung parliament, if they still vote tory Boris will get a majority
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Labour manifesto on 10:16 - Nov 22 with 6314 viewsAnotherJohn

Given that many of the usual suspects are keen on both the Manifesto programme and our continued EU membership, the question arises of whether the two are compatible.

Paul Johnson of the IFS has said that ‘the scale of increased spending would take government spending in the UK to its highest peacetime level’. In March 2019 the UK’s general budget deficit was about 1.2% of GDP (having fallen from 1.9% in 2017), and government gross debt was 85.2% of GDP (or 25.2% above the reference value of 60% set out in the EU Protocol on the Excessive Deficit Procedure).

https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/governmentpublicsectorandtaxes/publicspending/bul

These figures will worsen substantially if the Labour Party Manifesto is implemented, or indeed under the spending plans of the other parties.

National economic policies in the EU are regulated by the Stability and Growth Pact (STP), as updated by the ‘Six Pack’ and related provisions, although admittedly not all the rules currently apply to the UK. Eurozone countries bound by the STP’s ‘fiscal compact’ are expected to ensure their structural deficit does not exceed 1.0% of GDP if their debt-to-GDP ratio is under 60%, and 0.5% of GDP if above 60%. The UK has negotiated an exemption from the strict application of the STP/Six Pack rules so that it is not subject to sanctions under the Excessive Deficit Procedure. However, it still receives ‘convergence programme’ reports that provide EU advice regarding its medium-term budgetary objectives, and a Protocol of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union states that the ‘UK shall endeavour to avoid an excessive government deficit’ (Protocol 15, para 5).

With the above in mind, one doubts that a massive — and indeed ‘transformational’ — spending programme of this kind would leave us smelling of roses as far as the EU is concerned. Then there is the matter of the nationalisations. Is this why Jeremy Corbyn is hedging his bets on Brexit?
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Labour manifesto on 10:24 - Nov 22 with 6294 viewsladyjack

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Labour manifesto on 10:49 - Nov 22 with 6253 viewsjackrmee

Labour manifesto on 09:31 - Nov 22 by johnlangy

AFAIK the Railways are franchises (all of them ? Someone else please answer). When the franchise contract finishes the government can renew it or sell it on to a different provider. Or they can just keep it in house which costs nothing.

That's what happened with the East Coast mainline (Virgin from memory). The government took it back in house because the service was so awful. It was transformed into a well run railway then resold back into the market. I don't know what the service is like now.


Sounds like you're right mate...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-50046329

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Labour manifesto on 11:27 - Nov 22 with 6220 viewsAnotherJohn

Labour manifesto on 10:49 - Nov 22 by jackrmee

Sounds like you're right mate...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-50046329


Complicated though, and the Government could not recreate British Rail as a single integrated state corporation under present EU rules..

https://www.ashurst.com/en/news-and-insights/insights/the-fourth-railway-package

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-eu-railways-eu-rules-natio

http://theconversation.com/renationalising-britains-railways-eu-law-not-a-barrie
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Labour manifesto on 11:43 - Nov 22 with 6195 viewsfelixstowe_jack

Corbyn says 95% won't pay any extra tax. How on earth is he going to fund £80 billion a year just taxing the top 5%
Any additional tax or raids on companies will lead to price increase what is the point of "no tax increase promise" if everyone pays a lot more for everything else.

IT IS JUST A BIG LIE.
Blair and Brown promised no tax increases yet put up both NI and Income tax.
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Labour manifesto on 12:01 - Nov 22 with 6172 viewsHighjack

Labour manifesto on 05:33 - Nov 22 by Glyn1

Yes, that's definitely what the Conservatives want people to believe - all politicians and parties are the same so why bother changing them. But it isn't true.

It's also not correct that the parties don't carry out what they pledge in their manifestos. Maybe not all of it, but a lot of it. Labour promised to introduce a minimum wage (communism according to the Mail) - the Conservatives promised to reduce income tax and privatise a lot of areas to increase efficiency. Both of them made good on their pledges. Doesn't matter whether you agree or not with either, they both did what they said that they would.

People who say that the parties are the same are idiots.

Imagine if Labour had been re-elected under Gordon Brown in 2010, is there anyone who would say that the country would be the same today? It might be much worse or it might be much better, that's for you to decide for yourself, but it would be very different.

The parties are not the same, the politicians are not all the same and votes matter. Please use your vote on December 12.


I didn’t say they were the same, I said they were a joke.

Also my vote doesn’t matter. Whoever I vote for labour will still win the seat with a massive majority as it’s one of the safest seats in the country.
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