| The Official Swansea City Fc vs Middlesbrough FC Match Thread on 19:56 - Dec 14 with 1720 views | Luther27 |
| The Official Swansea City Fc vs Middlesbrough FC Match Thread on 17:35 - Dec 14 by Dr_Winston |
This.
I've given Cooper a lot of the benefit of the doubt, because it's not easy building a team with some of the materials he's got, but the lack of ambition, purpose and drive during big chunks of that second half was inexcusable, and the buck for that stops with him.
You can lack quality and still look interested. |
Somehow they managed to suck the joy out of a victory. |  | |  |
| The Official Swansea City Fc vs Middlesbrough FC Match Thread on 20:03 - Dec 14 with 1686 views | Flashberryjack |
| The Official Swansea City Fc vs Middlesbrough FC Match Thread on 17:35 - Dec 14 by Dr_Winston |
This.
I've given Cooper a lot of the benefit of the doubt, because it's not easy building a team with some of the materials he's got, but the lack of ambition, purpose and drive during big chunks of that second half was inexcusable, and the buck for that stops with him.
You can lack quality and still look interested. |
Absolutely spot on. |  |
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| The Official Swansea City Fc vs Middlesbrough FC Match Thread on 20:04 - Dec 14 with 1686 views | Yossarian |
| The Official Swansea City Fc vs Middlesbrough FC Match Thread on 19:42 - Dec 14 by monmouth |
Really? On the results of what I’ve seen, Baldricks cunning plan might be more effective then. Teams kill us on the break, normally when one of our dogs hit midfield players gives them the ball. |
That was dire against a really abysmal team. I remember when Cooper was appointed, him saying that he wanted to play the Swansea Way with positive attacking football. I think he’s a bigger bs merchant than the Yanks.
It’s clear that Andre is carrying this team but it’s equally clear that he’s playing for a move in January. There’s an understanding with Cooper that he will give his all if they don’t stand in his way, and today Cooper announced the media today that he’s expecting ‘interest’ in Andre in January. If he’s gone in January, we could struggle to get points from the.
I’m really worried that most of this squad have gone backwards since Cooper took over, and this with a coach who is supposed to be a specialist in coaching young players. The product is awful and attendances are falling away. I’m not at all sure how it’s fixed. |  |
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| The Official Swansea City Fc vs Middlesbrough FC Match Thread on 20:14 - Dec 14 with 1643 views | Dr_Winston |
| The Official Swansea City Fc vs Middlesbrough FC Match Thread on 20:04 - Dec 14 by Yossarian |
That was dire against a really abysmal team. I remember when Cooper was appointed, him saying that he wanted to play the Swansea Way with positive attacking football. I think he’s a bigger bs merchant than the Yanks.
It’s clear that Andre is carrying this team but it’s equally clear that he’s playing for a move in January. There’s an understanding with Cooper that he will give his all if they don’t stand in his way, and today Cooper announced the media today that he’s expecting ‘interest’ in Andre in January. If he’s gone in January, we could struggle to get points from the.
I’m really worried that most of this squad have gone backwards since Cooper took over, and this with a coach who is supposed to be a specialist in coaching young players. The product is awful and attendances are falling away. I’m not at all sure how it’s fixed. |
People will accept losing if they can see that the team has given everything. That no drop of sweat or desire has been spared in an effort to win. People will get pissed off, even if you win, if they think players are holding back.
At 1-1 and even 2-1 against a f*cking awful team missing a player I'd have expected us to be driving forward to try and put them to the sword, to try and make up for some of the goals we shipped last week at WBA. Instead we got a tentative, cowardly display where the aim of the game seemed to be shirking any kind of responsibility to make things happen.
At this point I'm expecting Cooper to whip off his mask, Scooby Doo style to reveal that he's been Paul Clement all along. |  |
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| The Official Swansea City Fc vs Middlesbrough FC Match Thread on 20:18 - Dec 14 with 1614 views | Flashberryjack |
| The Official Swansea City Fc vs Middlesbrough FC Match Thread on 20:14 - Dec 14 by Dr_Winston |
People will accept losing if they can see that the team has given everything. That no drop of sweat or desire has been spared in an effort to win. People will get pissed off, even if you win, if they think players are holding back.
At 1-1 and even 2-1 against a f*cking awful team missing a player I'd have expected us to be driving forward to try and put them to the sword, to try and make up for some of the goals we shipped last week at WBA. Instead we got a tentative, cowardly display where the aim of the game seemed to be shirking any kind of responsibility to make things happen.
At this point I'm expecting Cooper to whip off his mask, Scooby Doo style to reveal that he's been Paul Clement all along. |
Sadly I prefer Clement than this useless pr*ck of a coach we have. | |
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| The Official Swansea City Fc vs Middlesbrough FC Match Thread on 20:22 - Dec 14 with 1596 views | Luther27 |
| The Official Swansea City Fc vs Middlesbrough FC Match Thread on 20:14 - Dec 14 by Dr_Winston |
People will accept losing if they can see that the team has given everything. That no drop of sweat or desire has been spared in an effort to win. People will get pissed off, even if you win, if they think players are holding back.
At 1-1 and even 2-1 against a f*cking awful team missing a player I'd have expected us to be driving forward to try and put them to the sword, to try and make up for some of the goals we shipped last week at WBA. Instead we got a tentative, cowardly display where the aim of the game seemed to be shirking any kind of responsibility to make things happen.
At this point I'm expecting Cooper to whip off his mask, Scooby Doo style to reveal that he's been Paul Clement all along. |
I was shot down a couple of weeks ago saying I would have preferred Cameron Toshack as our manager. I've not changed my mind since the start of the season. | | | |
| The Official Swansea City Fc vs Middlesbrough FC Match Thread on 20:29 - Dec 14 with 1587 views | Dr_Winston |
| The Official Swansea City Fc vs Middlesbrough FC Match Thread on 20:22 - Dec 14 by Luther27 |
I was shot down a couple of weeks ago saying I would have preferred Cameron Toshack as our manager. I've not changed my mind since the start of the season. |
Probably not an awful lot between them.
I'm not in the Cooper out camp (yet) but he needs to buck his ideas up. Yes, he's not helped by having a piss weak midfield, but some of his other choices are just plain weird. Roberts should not be starting ahead of Naughton. We're stocked with wingers but usually play narrow. The team looks shapeless and lacking in organisational drilling.
Inexperience perhaps, but the learning curve is steep and he needs to be climbing it quicker than he is. | |
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| The Official Swansea City Fc vs Middlesbrough FC Match Thread on 20:41 - Dec 14 with 1550 views | Luther27 |
| The Official Swansea City Fc vs Middlesbrough FC Match Thread on 20:29 - Dec 14 by Dr_Winston |
Probably not an awful lot between them.
I'm not in the Cooper out camp (yet) but he needs to buck his ideas up. Yes, he's not helped by having a piss weak midfield, but some of his other choices are just plain weird. Roberts should not be starting ahead of Naughton. We're stocked with wingers but usually play narrow. The team looks shapeless and lacking in organisational drilling.
Inexperience perhaps, but the learning curve is steep and he needs to be climbing it quicker than he is. |
I agree sort of, but the team seems to have gone backwards since the start of the season. I appreciate confidence isn't at its peak, but it showed signs of returning at the Fulham game. We won today, but i had more of a skip in my step after losing that game rather than winning today.
Every penny's a prisoner at our club, so why didn't they promote Cameron and his team who have brought a lot of these kids to the first team and hired Cooper as U23 coach to give him experience. I feel Cameron is a big big loss to us personally. | | | |
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| The Official Swansea City Fc vs Middlesbrough FC Match Thread on 21:00 - Dec 14 with 1513 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| The Official Swansea City Fc vs Middlesbrough FC Match Thread on 20:29 - Dec 14 by Dr_Winston |
Probably not an awful lot between them.
I'm not in the Cooper out camp (yet) but he needs to buck his ideas up. Yes, he's not helped by having a piss weak midfield, but some of his other choices are just plain weird. Roberts should not be starting ahead of Naughton. We're stocked with wingers but usually play narrow. The team looks shapeless and lacking in organisational drilling.
Inexperience perhaps, but the learning curve is steep and he needs to be climbing it quicker than he is. |
I haven’t been to many home games this year but I was told by a few of the lads that it’s clear Roberts is on a big strop. Doesn’t acknowledge fans before or after games and is constantly on people’s backs.
To be honest I wouldn’t be surprised at all to see him go in January. |  | | |
| The Official Swansea City Fc vs Middlesbrough FC Match Thread on 21:08 - Dec 14 with 1488 views | AngelRangelQS |
| The Official Swansea City Fc vs Middlesbrough FC Match Thread on 21:00 - Dec 14 by 34dfgdf54 |
I haven’t been to many home games this year but I was told by a few of the lads that it’s clear Roberts is on a big strop. Doesn’t acknowledge fans before or after games and is constantly on people’s backs.
To be honest I wouldn’t be surprised at all to see him go in January. |
Not sure who would want him... |  | | |
| The Official Swansea City Fc vs Middlesbrough FC Match Thread on 21:15 - Dec 14 with 1457 views | Luther27 |
| The Official Swansea City Fc vs Middlesbrough FC Match Thread on 21:00 - Dec 14 by 34dfgdf54 |
I haven’t been to many home games this year but I was told by a few of the lads that it’s clear Roberts is on a big strop. Doesn’t acknowledge fans before or after games and is constantly on people’s backs.
To be honest I wouldn’t be surprised at all to see him go in January. |
Not the kid I've seen then. He gives the clao before the game like they all do. At the end he trots off etc. To be fair there didn't seem to be the chemistry between him and Ayew...almost like they fvcking hate each other....but wether something's been said but the last couple of home games they seem to be getting better.
Maybe it's the case of young bull old bull sort of thing lol. | | | |
| The Official Swansea City Fc vs Middlesbrough FC Match Thread on 22:17 - Dec 14 with 1349 views | Catullus |
People all around me (myself included) were moaning and groaning at our lack of ambition, our willingness to go backwards even with the oppo down to 9 men. Celina, I can see why he was dropped before, he holds the ball too long and makes bad decisions, he has gone backwards under Cooper, a long way backwards.
How can a team win 3-1 and still draw such a negayive reaction? Only Ayew and Woodman get much credit, Cabango and VdH were ok but really, after the second sending off we should have been looking to muller them and instead we settled for it, if you'd walked in with 10 minutes left you might not have realised Boro had a player sent off. | |
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| The Official Swansea City Fc vs Middlesbrough FC Match Thread on 22:51 - Dec 14 with 1301 views | Badlands |
| The Official Swansea City Fc vs Middlesbrough FC Match Thread on 22:17 - Dec 14 by Catullus |
People all around me (myself included) were moaning and groaning at our lack of ambition, our willingness to go backwards even with the oppo down to 9 men. Celina, I can see why he was dropped before, he holds the ball too long and makes bad decisions, he has gone backwards under Cooper, a long way backwards.
How can a team win 3-1 and still draw such a negayive reaction? Only Ayew and Woodman get much credit, Cabango and VdH were ok but really, after the second sending off we should have been looking to muller them and instead we settled for it, if you'd walked in with 10 minutes left you might not have realised Boro had a player sent off. |
Look at the subs!
Hardly inspiring especially as he put a wing in midfield (McKay) and a central attacking midfielder (Celina) on the wing.
And, there was a lot of moans on the half time whistle. |  |
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| The Official Swansea City Fc vs Middlesbrough FC Match Thread on 23:18 - Dec 14 with 1259 views | Joe_bradshaw |
I thought the ref had a good game. |  |
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| The Official Swansea City Fc vs Middlesbrough FC Match Thread on 01:07 - Dec 15 with 1170 views | sainthelens |
| The Official Swansea City Fc vs Middlesbrough FC Match Thread on 23:18 - Dec 14 by Joe_bradshaw |
I thought the ref had a good game. |
Can't help thinking Coops complaining bout the ref after Weds just may have had a little effect.
We have been far too nice in the past. |  | | |
| The Official Swansea City Fc vs Middlesbrough FC Match Thread on 01:50 - Dec 15 with 1149 views | dameedna |
Allright lets try again.
On YouTube we can watch the last time we beat Boro with James, Dyer, Routs up front carving chance after chance and a 3 1 win.
We have see Peterson subbed at half time and dropped for next game. Ayew on the wing holds the ball and is a cut above so he gets that slot but he should be playkng as a striker in my opinion.
We have lost too many games and are playing narrow with Celina appearing to have lost some form.
That was a tough game but a good result especially after being pegged back and again by coughing up possession when passing sideways.
Hopefully it will get better though clearly we willmiss Ayew when he leaves. |  | | |
| The Official Swansea City Fc vs Middlesbrough FC Match Thread on 04:07 - Dec 15 with 1107 views | TimTtam |
I wasn't aware we lost the game. The large majority of posts support that argument.
We were clearly low on confidence, needing a win, and got a 3-1 home win. It seemed the directive was to be conservative and just win ugly.
Yes Ayew will be gone in January, but ffs we're not in a relegation battle. He'll be around for a little while longer anyway.
We're 1 point off the playoffs, and 3 points off 3rd place.
Lets hope that a win creates confidence in the squad and we can start being more attacking. [Post edited 15 Dec 2019 4:10]
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| The Official Swansea City Fc vs Middlesbrough FC Match Thread on 11:44 - Dec 15 with 962 views | jasper_T |
| The Official Swansea City Fc vs Middlesbrough FC Match Thread on 04:07 - Dec 15 by TimTtam |
I wasn't aware we lost the game. The large majority of posts support that argument.
We were clearly low on confidence, needing a win, and got a 3-1 home win. It seemed the directive was to be conservative and just win ugly.
Yes Ayew will be gone in January, but ffs we're not in a relegation battle. He'll be around for a little while longer anyway.
We're 1 point off the playoffs, and 3 points off 3rd place.
Lets hope that a win creates confidence in the squad and we can start being more attacking. [Post edited 15 Dec 2019 4:10]
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18 points in the last 16 games would be a relegation battle had we not been as fortunate as we were in August to pick up the points we did. The performances didn't merit taking nearly half our current points total in that month alone, but at least survival is within comfortable reach. | | | |
| The Official Swansea City Fc vs Middlesbrough FC Match Thread on 12:00 - Dec 15 with 941 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| The Official Swansea City Fc vs Middlesbrough FC Match Thread on 11:44 - Dec 15 by jasper_T |
18 points in the last 16 games would be a relegation battle had we not been as fortunate as we were in August to pick up the points we did. The performances didn't merit taking nearly half our current points total in that month alone, but at least survival is within comfortable reach. |
"but at least survival is within comfortable reach. "
But not so comfortable if the players continue to go backwards as quickly as they have since the start of the season.
Once Ayew goes it could get very ugly as it did under Monk, Bradley and Clement.
If players down tools it will be all over unless a Manager is appointed.
I have said it before Cooper may be a decent coach, although it doesn't look like it, but he is a poor manager.
I don't think Coaches should necessarily be Managers as the requirements are diffferent. [Post edited 15 Dec 2019 12:24]
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| The Official Swansea City Fc vs Middlesbrough FC Match Thread on 12:17 - Dec 15 with 933 views | jasper_T |
| The Official Swansea City Fc vs Middlesbrough FC Match Thread on 12:00 - Dec 15 by A_Fans_Dad |
"but at least survival is within comfortable reach. "
But not so comfortable if the players continue to go backwards as quickly as they have since the start of the season.
Once Ayew goes it could get very ugly as it did under Monk, Bradley and Clement.
If players down tools it will be all over unless a Manager is appointed.
I have said it before Cooper may be a decent coach, although it doesn't look like it, but he is a poor manager.
I don't think Coaches should necessarily be Managers as the requirements are diffferent. [Post edited 15 Dec 2019 12:24]
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Another 4 wins in the next 24 games would probably see us safe to be honest. There's a lot of struggling sides this season, we're not going to need 50+ points. | | | |
| The Official Swansea City Fc vs Middlesbrough FC Match Thread on 12:51 - Dec 15 with 908 views | vetchonian |
| The Official Swansea City Fc vs Middlesbrough FC Match Thread on 12:00 - Dec 15 by A_Fans_Dad |
"but at least survival is within comfortable reach. "
But not so comfortable if the players continue to go backwards as quickly as they have since the start of the season.
Once Ayew goes it could get very ugly as it did under Monk, Bradley and Clement.
If players down tools it will be all over unless a Manager is appointed.
I have said it before Cooper may be a decent coach, although it doesn't look like it, but he is a poor manager.
I don't think Coaches should necessarily be Managers as the requirements are diffferent. [Post edited 15 Dec 2019 12:24]
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We have 4 points more than this time last year one point off the playoffs even this time last people on here were calling for Potters head...he too was constantly tinkering with the team the threads exist on here to prove it.
I am not saying that I don’t have concerns about Cooper but the recent run of poor results we have just had is not that much different to the run we ecncountered last year through November and December. Cooper is still learning last year I posted that Potters selections could be influenced by cost such as not playing Routs which was true as Routs renegotiated his contract allowing Potter to pick him. I have a theory Surridge is getting game over Borja due to Bournemouth maybe threatening to take Sam back due to lack of game time plus maybe Borjas goal bonus is costing us too much money.
So let’s sack Cooper and his staff shell out more compensation we can’t afford so there are even less funds to use in January.As I said this time last year many wanted to see Potter off but look how that ended up we lost him to a PL club with them paying us some money the first time since Brendan so let’s back off and be realistic | |
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| The Official Swansea City Fc vs Middlesbrough FC Match Thread on 12:51 - Dec 15 by vetchonian |
We have 4 points more than this time last year one point off the playoffs even this time last people on here were calling for Potters head...he too was constantly tinkering with the team the threads exist on here to prove it.
I am not saying that I don’t have concerns about Cooper but the recent run of poor results we have just had is not that much different to the run we ecncountered last year through November and December. Cooper is still learning last year I posted that Potters selections could be influenced by cost such as not playing Routs which was true as Routs renegotiated his contract allowing Potter to pick him. I have a theory Surridge is getting game over Borja due to Bournemouth maybe threatening to take Sam back due to lack of game time plus maybe Borjas goal bonus is costing us too much money.
So let’s sack Cooper and his staff shell out more compensation we can’t afford so there are even less funds to use in January.As I said this time last year many wanted to see Potter off but look how that ended up we lost him to a PL club with them paying us some money the first time since Brendan so let’s back off and be realistic |
I’m not advocating sacking Cooper but I don’t think comparisons with Potter are helpful to him.
Potter had to pick up the pieces after relegation and blood most of the current team. He needed to have a good look at everyone in the squad and give them a chance to impress before he settled on a consistent selection. There is an argument that he took too long to do this but he did explain it at some length at the time.
Players improved out of all recognition during the second half of the season under Potter. Under Cooper most of them are going backwards even though they have last season’s experience behind them. They should be kicking on now. Maybe they understood their roles and how that fitted into the team philosophy last season. Maybe they don’t understand what’s being asked of them now?
Potter had James and McBurnie but Cooper has Ayew and Baston and a team that have been together for a while. There’s no question who is the better manager. | |
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| The Official Swansea City Fc vs Middlesbrough FC Match Thread on 21:29 - Dec 15 with 779 views | ploppy |
Cooper may be to blame for many things but I don't see how we can honestly blame him for the fact that players can't seem to make the simplest of passes to each other. In the last few games, we've seen the ball given away by VdH, Peterson, Grimes, Byers and Celina, and they've all led to goals. Sometimes, it's the fact that they've chosen a difficult option because a simple 10yard pass isn't available - that's got everything to do with players not showing for the ball and making angles. Where's Leon when you need him?
One thing that's definitely got worse since the start of the season is our defending at set pieces. VdH has been caught in no-man's land many times, and others have been more focussed on manhandling their man and not even looking at the ball. | | | |
| The Official Swansea City Fc vs Middlesbrough FC Match Thread on 21:31 - Dec 15 with 775 views | Dr_Winston |
| The Official Swansea City Fc vs Middlesbrough FC Match Thread on 21:29 - Dec 15 by ploppy |
Cooper may be to blame for many things but I don't see how we can honestly blame him for the fact that players can't seem to make the simplest of passes to each other. In the last few games, we've seen the ball given away by VdH, Peterson, Grimes, Byers and Celina, and they've all led to goals. Sometimes, it's the fact that they've chosen a difficult option because a simple 10yard pass isn't available - that's got everything to do with players not showing for the ball and making angles. Where's Leon when you need him?
One thing that's definitely got worse since the start of the season is our defending at set pieces. VdH has been caught in no-man's land many times, and others have been more focussed on manhandling their man and not even looking at the ball. |
When those same players could make simple passes to each other last season under a different manager who else can you blame? | |
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